I am 18 years old and have never been taught about my religion (christianity). I only know what I've picked up from the media and movies. Basically, I'm a blank canvas. I think that if god does exist, he wouldn't hold it against us that we have questions that we are trying to answer. I think that faith should be something that is either arrived at or not after consideration of the possibilities regarding the origin of human life.

With that said I have a couple of questions. From what limited understanding I have of the Big Bang Theory, there was supposedly a singular mass that exploded to create everything that we now have. where did the mass come from? How did it come to be? The second question is what is the explanation for god? Has he always been around, long before he supposedly created the universe? Was he just in a void thinking to himself for trillions of years? And if so, how did he originate?

These two questions, when traced as far back as I'm asking them to be traced, seem to me to be unanswerable. The idea that something or someone has been around for an infinite amount of time is puzzling to me and it seems impossible.

As I mentioned, I know very little about either standpoint so accept my apologies for my ignorance on both the scientific and religious standpoints. I'm just trying to figure things out for myself.

For your first question, no one knows for sure where that orignal mass could have come from but there are several explanations out there, that would be better answered in Mad Scientists however. For your second question, God being around forever is a central mystery in the Christian faith, but obviously no one knows what he could have been doing during this time, or if its even real.

three words. god is dead. not that he died,but that mans need for the concept of god is no longer,nietsche. man is not gods creation,god is mans creation. we made him to fall back on and to explain what was unexplainable at that time. we know now,we have science,in the true since and the science of practical magic(i.e. crowley). and just look at the bible. turn the other cheek?????omfgwtfbbq.turn the fuck around and smack that mother fucker. love your enemies?????where will that get you. that will leave you a bitch to life and eventually dead. hate your enemys with a passion. i could go on but you should find out yourself...

one singularity energy/time/space exsist pre universe

there is a limitless amount of this singularity.

think of it as an infinite energy spread over an infinite amount of space for an infinite amount of time.

energy has the potential to occupy the same space under rare cirumstances, when enough unoccupied space is present it shatters the singulaity. Energy suddenly concentrates into matter causing massive reactions which fire matter outwards forming the universe and galaxies.

just a theory.

quote:Originally posted by Kannabis Korbano:

three words. god is dead. not that he died,but that mans need for the concept of god is no longer,nietsche. man is not gods creation,god is mans creation. we made him to fall back on and to explain what was unexplainable at that time. we know now,we have science,in the true since and the science of practical magic(i.e. crowley). and just look at the bible. turn the other cheek?????omfgwtfbbq.turn the fuck around and smack that mother fucker. love your enemies?????where will that get you. that will leave you a bitch to life and eventually dead. hate your enemys with a passion. i could go on but you should find out yourself...

Seems awfull simplistic of an answer to me... and i'm not saying that as a Occam's Razor sort o' way.

Oh, BTW. nietsche is dead, not God.

It's a singularity, not a singular mass. The singularity included spacetime as well. Oddly since spacetime and energy expanded from this singularity, the big bang occured everywhere in space at the same time.

quote:Oh, BTW. nietsche is dead, not God.

Yes, you are right. For God to be dead, he would have needed to exist in the first place. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

from my understanding the big bang is a theory drawn on several observations and not a set of observations highlighted to support a theory. the fact that the universe is expanding and that the age of the furthest detectable stars is quite similar leaves us to come up with the idea that it has been expanding a long time. so when you go back in time it has contracted. the singular mass is just the most logical explaination anyone has come up with. there could just as well be another parallel universe right next to the singular mass so we wouldnt know about it. its futile to argue it out.

Not particularly religious myself but i think that the christian explaination for god is that he somehow is not confined by time. this kinda beats me cause i was taught that if something exists it must exist in some space and time-- otherwise youquite literally cant answer "where is god now?" you'll have to ask someone like digital saviour about that.

Well maybe the time and space that god exists in works completely differently to ours. The fact that he has existed for all of time could just be he can live for a lot longer than us. A horn fly only lives for about a week, but to the fly this could seem like a long time, but because we can live for around 80+ years a week is short.

So if you lived for one trillion years a decade must be like a minute. Its just the way you perceive time and space

"where did the mass come from?"

- Secrets of the universe.

"How did it come to be?"

- Read up on The Big Bang.

"The second question is what is the explanation for god?"

- This depends on what you think god is. If you believe in god then the explanation is obvious: he exists because he Is. But, if you don't believe in god or you have a more agnostic approach there's about a million different equally as good explanations.

"Has he always been around, long before he supposedly created the universe?"

- If he's real. Otherwise he was created by early humans.

"Was he just in a void thinking to himself for trillions of years?"

- Possibly. But the bible does mention there are multiple gods. Perhaps they are all facets of the same god, so they can keep themselves company.

"And if so, how did he originate?"

- Again: god exists because he Is.



Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Yes, you are right. For God to be dead, he would have needed to exist in the first place. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Not according to nietsche and Kannabis Korbano:

god is dead. not that he died,but that mans need for the concept of god is no longer,nietsche. man is not gods creation,god is mans creation. we made him to fall back on and to explain what was unexplainable at that time.

quote:Originally posted by jorgedubya:

With that said I have a couple of questions. From what limited understanding I have of the Big Bang Theory, there was supposedly a singular mass that exploded to create everything that we now have. where did the mass come from? How did it come to be? The second question is what is the explanation for god? Has he always been around, long before he supposedly created the universe? Was he just in a void thinking to himself for trillions of years? And if so, how did he originate?



Trying to figure it out for yourself is the way to go, anything else is secondhand hearsay. My understanding is that the Big Bang Theory is exactly that, a theory! Could it be that the universe/multiverse has always existed? Why does there have to be a beginning? What was before the beginning? Nothing? How can there be nothing? Where can nothing be? How can nothing exist? How does something come from nothing?

Is god whoever/whatever you serve? That is the modern concept of god. What of the ancients? The Essenes worshipped the law. Their commandments begin: "I am the Law your God." The ancient Egyptian Hermes Trimestigus said that god whilst ultimately indefinable and unknowable could best be described as an eternal and infinite mind. Some eastern teachings say we are all a part of god, that the universe is god. Is this true? If there was a singularity before the big bang would that mean we are all from the one thing, in essence all 'one'?

If two quantum particles in close association are seperated, no matter how far the distance between them, whatever happens to one instantaeously registers in the other. Extrapolate to the universe all originating from a singularity, how closely connected are we? Our brainwave patterns mirror the energetic wave patterns of the earth from which our bodies are made and will return. Are we individuals or is duality an illusion? Is god seperate and different to us or the ground of all being? Is god 'a' spirit? or, Is god 'spirit'? A life or Life? A being or Being itself?

"A fish asked of another fish: "I have always heard about the sea, but what is it? Where is it?" The other fish replied: "You live, move and have your being in the sea. The sea is within you and without you, and you are made of sea, and you will end in sea. The sea surrounds you as your own being." The only true answer is the one that you find for yourself." (Author unknown)

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