quote:Evie,Jun 25 2005, 10:30 AM

There's a group in America called Love In Action (http://www.loveinaction.org/). They basically try and "de-program" gay people into being straight again, and if they can't, they tell them that suicide is better than being gay. They make parents sit in front of their children and tell them how disgusted they are with them. It's a concentration camp basically, and it's very wrong.

This absolutely disgusts me. I can't even put it into words how much i despise this sort of thing.

i found this on P-DOX.

this is FUCKED UP. i cant believe that anyone would do such a thing "in the name of god". "god" is supposed to be all-knowing and all-loving. hell, im ignorant and sometimes hateful, but even i understand that sending someone to suffer forever over this is just insane.

gay people cant help the way they were born. i once read an artical about a shemale who donanted his/her body to science. the basicly disected his/her brain and found that chemicaly, it was no different from an average womans brain. meaning this person was born with a males body and a females mind.

and you know, it goes further than just homos and mental disorders. no "god" could ever excpect anyone to look at the world they were born into and just "know" all that was right and wrong. theres SO MUCH about the universe we cant possibley comprehend. even our notions of "right" and "wrong" probably arent exactly right.

i know this is getting off the main subject but ill just say one more thing. we should stop following religions. all of them have serious flaws and their teachings have been altered throughout time. altered because the leaders have been greedy, or simpley feared their religion would disapear.

we should be more "spiritual". we have a rough idea of whats right and wrong, just go with what you KNOW. dont listen to an acient book. you KNOW in your heart whats right and wrong. let "god" deal with the ones who fuck up, dont try to fix everything yourselves.

DOCTRINE

We believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God. It is perfect truth from cover to cover, and it all points to Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord. We believe in one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful man, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are essential. We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit, by Whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life. We believe in the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life eternal.

We believe the scripture is the final truth and authority concerning all matters of morality, as well as the hope and healing for morality in dilemma. We acknowledge the sinfulness of any sexual act outside of the scriptural context of Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman. We uphold Christ’s offer of redemption and freedom to all who come to Him.



HISTORY

Love In Action was started in 1973 by Frank Worthen. At 43, Frank rededicated his life to Jesus Christ after spending 20 years pursuing homosexual behavior. With a testimony tape and a newspaper ad, Frank gave a message seldom heard before, "There is a way out of homosexuality!"

With close to 30 years of research and experience, Love In Action has gained worldwide recognition as a leading authority on healing from sexual brokenness. We are used as a referral by ministries such as Focus on the Family and The 700 Club. We are also a member of the referral listing of Exodus International.

Under the direction of Rev. John J. Smid, Love In Action has developed the reputation as a forerunner in residential recovery ministry. Our move to Memphis, Tennessee in 1994 has opened up the doors needed for the program to evolve into a professional recovery treatment center.

In recent years the staff at Love in Action has effectively refined its residential recovery tools for broader application. This pivotal step has stretched the focus of the ministry. Love In Action's residential program, The Source, is committed to anyone seeking recovery from all types of sexual and relation brokenness as well as alcohol & drug addiction. Love In Action has also evolved into a counseling resource for families through programs like Radical Living, Serenity Garden and Refuge. As time progresses Love In Action intends to keep broadening its focus to include more and more resources for you.

DID YOU EVEN READ THE WEBSITE ? http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Yup...those bastard Christians are at it again...how DARE they love the world in spite of their sin ?!!

Burn them all !

First, no real Christian would ever encourage another person to commit suicide.

Second, Christians do not believe that homosexuality is something humans are born with, since God made us in His image, and He created us to be in union with each other as MAN and WOMAN only.

Since we do not believe homosexuality is something people are born with, we look at it as something to be healed from. It is a disorder and sometimes an addiction for some people, from a Christian standpoint.

So, for those who feel trapped by their homosexuality, this is a way for them to get help.

How can you be so obtuse ?

Do you even know what a Christian is ?

your beliefs are to me, what my beliefs are to Nephtys-Ra.

i realize posting here is more or less usless, but i guess i just hoped that maybe, somehow, i might make a young christian really analize their beliefs.

Well, that is admirable, since most 80 year old Christians don't know anything about their faith, let alone young Christians.

We SHOULD be analyzing our faith...every day.

What you posted was slanderous, and not at all supported by the website given.

It would just be cool if you researched things before you accuse an organization of being harmful to the public, especially in the name of Christianity.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



Yup...those bastard Christians are at it again...how DARE they love the world in spite of their sin ?!!



How humbly pious of you to define other peoples sin for them and then "love" (new PC word for convert) them (back) into the faith.

Just admit the fact that christianty is playing for market share like every other religion and cease peddling the deluded concept that it's because you "love" everyone.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



Burn them all !



Bearing in mind the church's history that would actually be quite ironic.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



First, no real Christian would ever encourage another person to commit suicide.



Utter hypocrasy.

When the church tells Africans they can't use condoms to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS even within marriage they aren't encouraging, they're telling them to commit suicide.

By your definition that means John Paul II doesn't qualify as a true Christian. Ha ha.

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quote:Quote from Love in Action

If we define homosexuality as an identity, and inborn characteristic or a hormonal imbalance, there is no answer or hope.

This is the essence of the matter Kindbud, Science vs. Religion.

These people don't want to face the fact that if gay tendecies can be explained medically there "love" becomes irrelevant.

In others words there's no hope for them because another in a long line of beliefs will have fallen victim to rational understanding. There will be an answer, just not one the faith can provide or control.

It's simple ideological self preservation.

Nothing more.



[This message has been edited by Slave of the Beast (edited 06-28-2005).]

umm, the the Bible kinda sucks..

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In the late 1700s some people wanted democratic rule. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that the king ruled by God's will.

In the mid 1800s some people wanted to end slavery. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that God approved of slavery.

In the early 1900s some people wanted to give women the vote. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that God made women inferior to men.

In the mid 1900s some people wanted to end segregation. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved God wanted to keep the races separate.

When you look back at how your parents and grandparents dealt with these things, are you ashamed or proud?

Now some people want to allow gay marriage. Conservative elements of the church are pointing to the Bible and saying it proves God hates homosexuality.

When your children and grandchildren look back at how you deal with this, will they be ashamed or proud?

You may, of course, skip this question as irrelevant if you're a racist too.



[This message has been edited by TeckGuru (edited 06-27-2005).]

Homosexual's are the victim of satan.

Just look at the homo's symbol, the rainbow!...God's promise that no matter how evil our deeds He will never drown us all........again.

quote:Originally posted by TeckGuru:

umm, the the Bible kinda sucks..



In the late 1700s some people wanted democratic rule. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that the king ruled by God's will.

In the mid 1800s some people wanted to end slavery. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that God approved of slavery.

In the early 1900s some people wanted to give women the vote. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved that God made women inferior to men.

In the mid 1900s some people wanted to end segregation. Conservative elements of the church pointed to the Bible and said it proved God wanted to keep the races separate.

When you look back at how your parents and grandparents dealt with these things, are you ashamed or proud?

Now some people want to allow gay marriage. Conservative elements of the church are pointing to the Bible and saying it proves God hates homosexuality.

When your children and grandchildren look back at how you deal with this, will they be ashamed or proud?

You may, of course, skip this question as irrelevant if you're a racist too.





All good points there TeckGuru.

actually the no condom thing is more or less just catholics... cant realy put that on all christians.

the points on slavery and segregation are pretty neat though. anyone have the exact quotes which show this?

Thread starter: The American media and public school system a actively programming children with PC and tolerance shit without recourse. What makes Love in Action's cause any different or less offensive?

"Thread starter: The American media and public school system a actively programming children with PC and tolerance shit without recourse. What makes Love in Action's cause any different or less offensive?"

This is a rather vague statement, impossible to substantiate. I went through the standard years of schooling in South Carolina, and I assure you, nothing PC was tought. In fact, racist and homophobic hatespeech was just as likely to come from the faculty as the students. Maybe for someone attending school in Berkeley, California, or Eugene, Oregon, this might be different, but those are great exceptions. Many southern states actually forbid the mention of homosexuality in any academic settings, and still teach history as the tale of how good white Christian men civilized the rest of the world.

As for the media, it has all but become a tool of the Bush administration, a propaganda machine that would impress even Joseph Goebbels. Come on...some tart who skips her wedding gets the front page over the Downing Street Memo? Even the head of PBS and NPR (I believe his name is Tomlinson) is actually a Bushevik, who has tried to systematically alter public broadcasting to suit the needs of this Orwellian administration.

What is unfortunate is that, as digitalSavior pointed out, groups such as Love In Action are supported not by science, but by religious dogma. Despite the fact that homosexuality occurs in other animal species, despite physiological differences found in the brains of homosexual men, despite the obscene numbers who commit suicide because of their Christian brainwashing, these groups still sit around and insist it's a choice. All these groups can hope to offer is a support network for those who wish to deny who they really are. As with anyone who follows blindly, you can't reason with them. Closer inspection reveals these folks actually worship the Bible more than Jesus. The forest is missed for the trees.

It should be noted, however, that around every bend, these bigots try to thwart things such as extending health insurance benefits to gays and lesbians. Yeah, that'll teach 'em...if possible they'd deny homosexuals oxygen. I have seen too many gays and lesbians whose lives have been ruined not by their so-called "lifestyle", but by the actions of their so-called "Christian" families. Furthermore, I find it interesting to note that Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality in the Bible, but see what he says about divorce and ask yourself why divorcees aren't targets of these ever-so-compassionate, but completely cruel and divisive Evangelical churches. It is necessary to pick and choose the parts of the Bible that suit your needs best. Obviously, the no shellfish clause isn't divisive and manipulative enough to accomplish the feverish moral outrage that Evangelical Christians browbeat into their flocks. The end goal is subjugation, and they've mastered the tools for this project frighteningly well. In any case, you can judge the tree by the fruit it bears, and the only thing that comes out these so-called Christians' tree is ugly and poisonous. You can't reason with those who deny logic (and the obvious). All you can do is try to avoid their moral grandstanding and attempt (if that is your desire) to find places of worship who are not in the business of damning people to hell. This could be Christian (as with the Liberal Quakers), or others such as Unitarians.

I'd also recommend a book called Steps to Recovery from Bible Abuse by Dr. Rembert Truluck, a recovering So Bap, who now ministers for the MCC.

i watched this thing about gays vs christians and gay christians and gay marriage on HBO or SHOtime or something lasst night. i think that the christians should really fuck off,because in this country we have "the freedom of religon" and we arent run on christian principles. so just because christians say no gayts,and bush is gay,i mean christian, why should we change the constituition. it would be violating the constitution to change it in this matter.i mean, is there really enoguh gays to "fuck up the pop. due to no reproduction" or whatever there saying? fuck were overpopulated anyway+illegal immigration.

i got an idea of what to do with gays,

YOU SAY LICK MY GLOCK U HOMO BITCH

THEN BLOW THEIR BRAINS OUT

quote:Originally posted by kindbud:

i found this on P-DOX.

this is FUCKED UP. i cant believe that anyone would do such a thing "in the name of god". "god" is supposed to be all-knowing and all-loving. hell, im ignorant and sometimes hateful, but even i understand that sending someone to suffer forever over this is just insane.

gay people cant help the way they were born. i once read an artical about a shemale who donanted his/her body to science. the basicly disected his/her brain and found that chemicaly, it was no different from an average womans brain. meaning this person was born with a males body and a females mind.

and you know, it goes further than just homos and mental disorders. no "god" could ever excpect anyone to look at the world they were born into and just "know" all that was right and wrong. theres SO MUCH about the universe we cant possibley comprehend. even our notions of "right" and "wrong" probably arent exactly right.

i know this is getting off the main subject but ill just say one more thing. we should stop following religions. all of them have serious flaws and their teachings have been altered throughout time. altered because the leaders have been greedy, or simpley feared their religion would disapear.

we should be more "spiritual". we have a rough idea of whats right and wrong, just go with what you KNOW. dont listen to an acient book. you KNOW in your heart whats right and wrong. let "god" deal with the ones who fuck up, dont try to fix everything yourselves.

Guess what? It's also 100% legal, most likely, because they make these people sign release forms.