Yea, I'm a newb here, but I skimmed over the last 9 pages and didn't see anything about this.

My Question:

I'm not a Christian. However, Am I still going to hell in your mind because I'm not? Even though I try to live my life in a helpful manner to me and those around me? Even though I do not wrong others' birthrights ( think freedom of speech, right to life, choice, etc ) and I help others who deserve it when I can? Do I still go to hell in your mind because of one small "flaw" in my lifestyle? I would like to consider myself more helpful to life on this planet than some devout followers of your faith.

I've never had this answered... ablige me your thoughts. ( Yea, seems like a bunch, but it only requires a yes or no, explanations are welcome. )

You are still going to hell. The bible talks about people just like you, in the bible a man comes up to Jesus and says to him, master I have followed your every law, I have obeyed my father and mother, and have kept every commandment, will I still go to heaven. This was a wealthy man, so Jesus said, go and sell everything you have, then give it all to the poor and follow me, this will get me into heaven. The man could not give up his earthly possesions and the bible says he went to hell. Christianity is not about works, you dont have to do any works to get into heaven. All you have to do is believe that Jesus was lord, and allow him to come into your life. Then if you truely are saved you will want to do good works, because you will want to please God. The bible tells us not to judge one person, but if you do not believe and allow Christ to rule your life you will not go to heaven, sorry.

Yes, you will be going to "hell." What you may not realize is that hell may or may not be a place with fire and eternal pain. Some people believe that hell, when translated from hebrew, just means grave, and it will be a place of unconsciousness.

Either way, you have the choice of going to heaven. You can accept Jesus as your savior, and be sure.

quote:Originally posted by Phasmus:

Yea, I'm a newb here, but I skimmed over the last 9 pages and didn't see anything about this.

My Question:

I'm not a Christian. However, Am I still going to hell in your mind because I'm not? Even though I try to live my life in a helpful manner to me and those around me? Even though I do not wrong others' birthrights ( think freedom of speech, right to life, choice, etc ) and I help others who deserve it when I can? Do I still go to hell in your mind because of one small "flaw" in my lifestyle? I would like to consider myself more helpful to life on this planet than some devout followers of your faith.

I've never had this answered... ablige me your thoughts. ( Yea, seems like a bunch, but it only requires a yes or no, explanations are welcome. )



First, let me say that it absolutely does not matter what Christians think, in reguard to anyone going to Hell. It is not the Christian that is the Judge of that. Jesus the Christ is that Judge, and that authority is given to Him by God the Father.

Second, everyone is worthy of Hell.. even people like Mother Theresa. Everyone has sinned and fell short of the Glory of GOD. We cannot get to Heaven based on our works, because even one fault (in keeping the Law) condemns us.

Justification is by Faith alone. Repent and believe in the Work Christ did on the Cross for all of us, in order to recieve the Gift of the Grace of God.

If you feel this has not answered your question, please feel free to ask more.

may you receive God's grace,

xtreem

If you dont mind, anton, i would like to expound/clarify something that you mention..

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

You are still going to hell. The bible talks about people just like you, in the bible a man comes up to Jesus and says to him, master I have followed your every law, I have obeyed my father and mother, and have kept every commandment, will I still go to heaven. This was a wealthy man, so Jesus said, go and sell everything you have, then give it all to the poor and follow me, this will get me into heaven. The man could not give up his earthly possesions and the bible says he went to hell.

I think this might be alittle obscur...

What Jesus was doing, was pointing out that the man had not kept the WHOLE Law, because he felt his money was more important than God.. in effect, he was breaking the first commandment. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

Another thing, i'm not quite sure, but i dont think the Bible says the man went to Hell. But it does imply that he was headed that way if he continued the path he was on.

no your not going to hell. at least thats what i think. other christain people think that everyone must be christian becuase there name christian stands for christ like and the other names of peoples religion doesnt say that.every christian i've met is like that EVERY ONE OF THEM..exept my family me and some of my freinds. dude my teacher had a concert INSIDE the worshiping place...its ok BUT its not ok if you have to pay for that concert which he did just that. remember jesus coming into the temple of god and saw all these people selling and buying things and he started throuwing desks around? yea. but unlike him. he always has an exuce like "but the music was worshiping material or something

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

You are still going to hell. The bible talks about people just like you, in the bible a man comes up to Jesus and says to him, master I have followed your every law, I have obeyed my father and mother, and have kept every commandment, will I still go to heaven. This was a wealthy man, so Jesus said, go and sell everything you have, then give it all to the poor and follow me, this will get me into heaven. The man could not give up his earthly possesions and the bible says he went to hell. Christianity is not about works, you dont have to do any works to get into heaven. All you have to do is believe that Jesus was lord, and allow him to come into your life. Then if you truely are saved you will want to do good works, because you will want to please God. The bible tells us not to judge one person, but if you do not believe and allow Christ to rule your life you will not go to heaven, sorry.



yes but thats in only the christian bible

Hell does not exist in the christian version. Hell=Hel the norse godess of the underworld.

Fire/Brimstone=stoopid.

quote:Originally posted by Severedset:



yes but thats in only the christian bible



Was Phasmus not asking Christians?

Shouldn't a Christian rely on the answers provided by the "christian" Bible (that we have faith IS the Word of God)?

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



First, let me say that it absolutely does not matter what Christians think, in reguard to anyone going to Hell. It is not the Christian that is the Judge of that. Jesus the Christ is that Judge, and that authority is given to Him by God the Father.

Second, everyone is worthy of Hell.. even people like Mother Theresa. Everyone has sinned and fell short of the Glory of GOD. We cannot get to Heaven based on our works, because even one fault (in keeping the Law) condemns us.

Justification is by Faith alone. Repent and believe in the Work Christ did on the Cross for all of us, in order to recieve the Gift of the Grace of God.

If you feel this has not answered your question, please feel free to ask more.

may you receive God's grace,

xtreem



I like you. Not a bad first thread I suppose. Yea, I figured most of you guys would say so, seems a lil cultish to me, but xtreem here and Severedset may be on the right track. Agreeably, Christians believe their God is omnipotent and all that jazz and knows everything. Apparantly as a human, you do not. So for all ye folks out there who just believe in something for the "why not" factor, (damned if you don't, and it is true, no harm done if it isn't), I seem to have found the loophole. I feel fine not directly believing in a higher being, mainly because if one -does- exist, I'm not disputing the possiblities, or badmouthing said being/s, but I feel better knowing that I've lived how I wanted to. ( yea, I know someone's gonna say, "Because that's how God wants you to. Don't." )

Nice long replies guys. If such beings do exist, I've done them no wrong, and could only hope to be admitted to an afterlife of wonderfullness... if such exists. As I'm not sure, I'll go on living my days the best way I know how, not step on any toes, and burn that bridge when I get there.

I truely am afraid.

I am afraid that you mistook what i said.

God is the one who will Judge us all, not Christians.

W.C. Fields once said, "i'm still looking for a loop-hole". (i think it was his last words, but i'm not sure)

please read these verses:

Rom 5:12 Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned.

Rom 5:13 For sin was in the world until Law, but sin is not charged where there is no law;

Rom 5:14 but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One.

Rom 5:15 But the free gift is not also like the deviation. For if by the deviation of the one the many died, much more the grace of God, and the gift in grace, which is of the one Man, Jesus Christ, did abound to the many.

******

Rom 3:23 for all sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus,

No, I understood. You say God is the true judge. I never said I wasn't going to heaven. I never said I wasn't going to hell, but deep down in your heart, does it feel right, even for you, to banish someone because they didn't want to accept a pipe dream and instead spend that time aiding human life? Honestly, I'd prefer being sent back here than either place, if that was an option. The loophole is, your God may just decide that's cruel, and not punish me. and guess what? What if he decides to change his mind on something in the bible and doesn't tell anyone? Aren't you quite screwed on that then? I just can't bring myself to follow something such as that without a good reason. I'm sitting at the fork in the road until something strikes my interest down one of the paths.

quote:Originally posted by Phasmus:

No, I understood. You say God is the true judge. I never said I wasn't going to heaven. I never said I wasn't going to hell, but deep down in your heart, does it feel right, even for you, to banish someone because they didn't want to accept a pipe dream and instead spend that time aiding human life? Honestly, I'd prefer being sent back here than either place, if that was an option. The loophole is, your God may just decide that's cruel, and not punish me. and guess what? What if he decides to change his mind on something in the bible and doesn't tell anyone? Aren't you quite screwed on that then? I just can't bring myself to follow something such as that without a good reason. I'm sitting at the fork in the road until something strikes my interest down one of the paths.



i honestly do not know how to answer this, without possibly helping you down the wrong path. So, for right now, i'm going to sit and think on it.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



i honestly do not know how to answer this, without possibly helping you down the wrong path. So, for right now, i'm going to sit and think on it.





Holy crap, I stumped someone.

where did all these christians come from. if those cunts from spurios knew aobut this you all would burn. we dont need no water let the motherfucker burn. burn motherfucker burn. god did not create man. man created god. but god is dead. not that god ever lived. its just that man created god to explain things that we could not explain. now we have the sciences. so the NEED for the crutch called god is dead. so god is dead. so little man i would worry about going to hell.

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Azazel:

burn. we dont need no water let the motherfucker burn. burn motherfucker burn. god did not create man. man created god.

are you Bevis or Cornholio?

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Azazel:

where did all these christians come from. if those cunts from spurios knew aobut this you all would burn. we dont need no water let the motherfucker burn. burn motherfucker burn. god did not create man. man created god. but god is dead. not that god ever lived. its just that man created god to explain things that we could not explain. now we have the sciences. so the NEED for the crutch called god is dead. so god is dead. so little man i would worry about going to hell.



I'm assuming that's a typo, but then, you are really dumb.



We're all going to burn, eh? Where?

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Azazel:

where did all these christians come from. if those cunts from spurios knew aobut this you all would burn. we dont need no water let the motherfucker burn. burn motherfucker burn. god did not create man. man created god. but god is dead. not that god ever lived. its just that man created god to explain things that we could not explain. now we have the sciences. so the NEED for the crutch called god is dead. so god is dead. so little man i would worry about going to hell.

It almost felt like my IQ was dropping as i read that...

To extreme, I know that the bible didn't specifically say that, and i realise thats what was implied, but i was summing it up from my own mind, and thats how i remember it going. It could be implied in the way you are saying, but Christ was also blatently telling the man, that works alone will not get you into heaven.

There is only one truth. That is what makes it truth, and that's why Christians try so hard to convert everyone. Because all true Christians believe that Jesus is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life", and that no one comes to the Father except through him.

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

You are still going to hell. The bible talks about people just like you, in the bible a man comes up to Jesus and says to him, master I have followed your every law, I have obeyed my father and mother, and have kept every commandment, will I still go to heaven. This was a wealthy man, so Jesus said, go and sell everything you have, then give it all to the poor and follow me, this will get me into heaven. The man could not give up his earthly possesions and the bible says he went to hell. Christianity is not about works, you dont have to do any works to get into heaven. All you have to do is believe that Jesus was lord, and allow him to come into your life. Then if you truely are saved you will want to do good works, because you will want to please God. The bible tells us not to judge one person, but if you do not believe and allow Christ to rule your life you will not go to heaven, sorry.



see the problem is the bible was written by people that wanted other people to follow jesus, not by god

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

To extreme, I know that the bible didn't specifically say that, and i realise thats what was implied, but i was summing it up from my own mind, and thats how i remember it going. It could be implied in the way you are saying, but Christ was also blatently telling the man, that works alone will not get you into heaven.

i wasnt trying to correct you, i was trying to clarify for the original poster, something that might have been mistaken or overlooked.

quote:Originally posted by crazyassindian:



see the problem is the bible was written by people that wanted other people to follow jesus, not by god



first, that's beside the point. The original poster (Phasmus) asked what christians thought.

second, the Bible was Divinely inspired to men by the Holy Spirit.

quote:Originally posted by Phasmus:

deep down in your heart, does it feel right, even for you, to banish someone because they didn't want to accept a pipe dream and instead spend that time aiding human life? Honestly, I'd prefer being sent back here than either place, if that was an option.

No it does'nt feel right, nor do the fundamentalist, literalist, interpretations of Jesus. Jesus Christ should be judged by his life and teachings not those of his 'claimed' followers. (Of interest is the fact that the first christians did not call themselves that, it was a derogatory term applied to them.)

In another dimension(?) Jesus name was not Jesus, that is an anglicised version of a greek adaptation of an aramaic version of the hebrew original. What is of note is the etymology: briefly Jesus means "God is Help".

Does this mean that god/the highest principle is Help? That energy that reachs out to others without thought of reward, surely all know of this? Everybody helps somebody sometime http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) The heart sings and the experience is pure, you know what I mean?

quote:Originally posted by redzed:

(Of interest is the fact that the first christians did not call themselves that, it was a derogatory term applied to them.)

Are you refering to this (it is from the LITV~~ and i think the word 'many' is added for clarity, but i'm not sure):

Acts 11:26 And finding him, he brought him to Antioch. And it happened that many of them were gathered to them in the assembly a whole year. And they taught a considerable crowd. And the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch.

And this is from Barnes Notes on the Bible (reguarding that verse):

And the disciples were called Christians ... - As this became the distinguishing name of the followers of Christ, it was worthy of record. The name was evidently given because they were the followers of Christ. But by whom, or with what views it was given, is not certainly known. Whether it was given by their enemies in derision, as the names Puritan, Quaker, Methodist, etc., have been; or whether the disciples assumed it themselves, or whether it was given by divine intimation, has been a matter of debate. That it was given in derision is not probable, for in the name “Christian” there was nothing dishonorable. To be the professed friends of the Messiah, or the Christ, was not with Jews a matter of reproach, for they all professed to be the friends of the Messiah. The cause of reproach with the disciples was that they regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah; and hence, when their enemies wished to speak of them with contempt, they would speak of them as Galileans Act_2:7, or as Nazarenes Act_24:5, “And a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.” It is possible that the name might have been given to them as a mere appellation, without intending to convey by it any reproach. The Gentiles would probably use this name to distinguish them, and it might have become thus the common appellation. It is evident from the New Testament, I think, that it was not designed as a term of reproach. It occurs but twice elsewhere: Act_26:28, “Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian”; 1Pe_4:16, “Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed.” No certain argument can be drawn in regard to the source of the name from the word which is used here. The word used here, and translated “were called” - **967;**961;**951;**956;**945;**964;**953;**769;** 950;**969; chre**772;matizo**772; - means:....

the way i understand it: if hitler were christian he'd go to heaven, and if mother theresa was athiest, shed go to hell. it seems totally unfair and cruel if not blatantly malicious to me... and i havent thought of an explaination for it. one of the many reasons im not christian.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

Hell does not exist in the christian version. Hell=Hel the norse godess of the underworld.

Fire/Brimstone=stoopid.

Actually, fire and brimstone= Gehenna derivation. :-).

listen ppl since when is it the job of other people to determine the fate of everyone...instead of spending ur whole life following the rules of a book( being any holy book) why not take to your advantage the fact u are alive and live your life. The books are there to put some sense into people( especially if u take into acount how long ago they were written)and keep society from complete anarchy. Its all very logical...if im damned to hell in your mind then ohh well but ill say this im happy and worry free all the time and never question any of my actions and have more fun without the restrictions of an organized religion. Just speaking my mind...if it makes u happy do it

quote:Originally posted by Sarith:

the way i understand it: if hitler were christian he'd go to heaven, and if mother theresa was athiest, shed go to hell. it seems totally unfair and cruel if not blatantly malicious to me... and i havent thought of an explaination for it. one of the many reasons im not christian.

Ummm...would you please IM me ? I can explain all that and more, if you would like me to. I am not trying to convert you. I simply think it important that God not be misunderstood. If after you KNOW what Christianity is about, and you still don't agree, then it is fair to say that your decision was, at the very least, educated.

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Download AIM from there, if you don't already have it.

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Hope to hear from you soon.