Makes fuck all sense.

http://tinyurl.com/d4yke

So what about buttshecks?!

http://tinyurl.com/cyloq

http://tinyurl.com/9vbu3

anal is ok...between man and wife.

If anal and oral is a sin, then a lot of priests are going to hell.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

anal is ok...between man and wife.

How so? I thought the church was against sodomy?

Remember, sodomy can be more than just anal sex between two men, it's just anal sex too.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Originally posted by jackketch:

anal is ok...between man and wife.

How so? I thought the church was against sodomy?

Remember, sodomy can be more than just anal sex between two men, it's just anal sex too.

the 'church' is against a lot of things. it used to be a mortal sin to eat meat on a friday...

i was refering to the bible.

Anal sex=wierd but whatever floats ur boat. Any other type of sex=good though.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

Any other type of sex=good though.

Even nose and donkey sex?

ROTFLMAO

Good one, King.

Show me the scripture that says oral sex is a sin. I'd like to see it, because it doesn't exist.

You're the religious freak. Why don't you show me.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

You're the religious freak. Why don't you show me.



You started this thread. Are you just spewing things off the top of your head with no solid info to back it up?

HAHAHAHAHA !

See, Snoopy ? Everyone has you pegged.

quote:Originally posted by KISE:

You started this thread. Are you just spewing things off the top of your head with no solid info to back it up?

Reality is my backup. Maybe you shuold pay reality a visit.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

HAHAHAHAHA !

See, Snoopy ? Everyone has you pegged.

You can't redefine words you dumb cow. Everyone doesn't mean you and your two dumbass shiteating religious friends.

Religious freaks are subhuman. You stand in the way of humanity.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

You can't redefine words you dumb cow. Everyone doesn't mean you and your two dumbass shiteating religious friends.

Religious freaks are subhuman. You stand in the way of humanity.



Don't blame us for your inadequacy.

Intelligence is not an inadequacy. All religious people sure love to believe that though.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Intelligence is not an inadequacy. All religious people sure love to believe that though.

You've never posted anything even remotely intelligent, you just love sucking your own dick. This is the last time I will reply to you, you're boring.

quote:Originally posted by KISE:

You've never posted anything even remotely intelligent, you just love sucking your own dick. This is the last time I will reply to you, you're boring.

Kinda tells a lot about yourself, when out of my 18729 posts, you have to get the few ones labeled "You're an idiot.".

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

So what about buttshecks?!

Jesus had anal sex many many times. He wasn't married, either.

It's true, I read it on the internet.

What a fag.

its a sin cos the church thinks "every sperm is sacred", so any cum that doent go in to a pussy (this includes contraception) is a sin. simple- christian fags

quote:Originally posted by shoot_the_wounded:

its a sin cos the church thinks "every sperm is sacred", so any cum that doent go in to a pussy (this includes contraception) is a sin. simple- christian fags

So what if a girl sucks you off but then you stop before you cum? Or the same scenario for anal sex?

quote:Originally posted by whocares123:

So what if a girl sucks you off but then you stop before you cum? Or the same scenario for anal sex?

Small quantities of semen constantly stream from your penor during any type of sex, as a transparent sticky fluid. That's why you can get a bitch pregnant without even jizzing inside her. That's why stupid teenagers get each other pregnant. Cause they're ignorant shits.

Snoopy: Small quantities of semen constantly stream from your penor during any type of sex, as a transparent sticky fluid. That's why you can get a bitch pregnant without even jizzing inside her. That's why stupid teenagers get each other pregnant. Cause they're ignorant shits.

There is a way to get around this. Precum will only contain sperm if you have ejaculated within the past week or two (it picks up sperm leftover from the last ejaculation). But good luck lasting that long without having a jackin' off or having a wet dream.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Snoopy: Small quantities of semen constantly stream from your penor during any type of sex, as a transparent sticky fluid. That's why you can get a bitch pregnant without even jizzing inside her. That's why stupid teenagers get each other pregnant. Cause they're ignorant shits.

There is a way to get around this. Precum will only contain sperm if you have ejaculated within the past week or two (it picks up sperm leftover from the last ejaculation). But good luck lasting that long without having a jackin' off or having a wet dream.

Ummm no, sperm dies after ~3days. Precum contains a high percentage of sperm.

Is it just me or are the religious freaks secretly trying to say that oral sex is fully acceptable in all the mainstream religions just so they can contradict me?

I need to post a thread about why murder is a sin...

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

murder is a sin...

its a sin, already ???!?

Real.PUA: Ummm no, sperm dies after ~3days. Precum contains a high percentage of sperm.

from http://www.biomedcentral.com/1534-5874/2/338

Coitus interruptus (withdrawal)

Coitus interruptus requires the withdrawal of the penis from the vagina prior to ejaculation. The male partner must have sufficient control to sense that ejaculation is imminent, and the motivation to exercise complete withdrawal for this method to be successful. Even then, conception can occur. Although the fluid produced by the Cowper's gland (the pre-ejaculate) generally contains no sperm, it can, albeit infrequently, contain small numbers [5,6]. It is believed that this phenomenon occurs because some sperm can become trapped in the urethra after a prior ejaculation. Although normal urination theoretically rinses the sperm from the urethra, this is not proven. Nevertheless, even if small numbers of sperm are present in the pre-ejaculate, this fact does not undermine the significance of the coitus interruptus method, which prevents ejaculation of tens to hundreds of million more into the vagina.

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The disadvantage of the method is that it provides no protection from lesions on the skin or mucus membranes, and fluid from the pre-ejaculate may contain pathogens such as gonorrhea [8] and HIV [5,6].

The bible makes no clear sway(sp?) of whether oral sex is permitted or not, but it makes the distinction that if sex is "used" for personal pleasure/satisfaction/etc. instead of reproduction AFTER marriage, it is a sin.

Therefore, because oral sex isn't for reproduction, even between married couples, it is widely assumed and practiced that oral sex is not permitted, and considered a sin.

SmartTart

EDIT: Im very Catholic and know alot of this stuff. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

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quote:EDIT: Im very Catholic and know alot of this stuff.

you may be up on catholocism but you have little knowledge of the bible.

try reading the Song of Songs before you come on my internet spouting indoctrinated crap,honey.

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quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Real.PUA: Ummm no, sperm dies after ~3days. Precum contains a high percentage of sperm.

from http://www .biomedcen tral.com/1 534-5874/2/338 (http: //www.biom edcentral. com/1534-5 874/2/338)

Coitus interruptus (withdrawal)

Coitus interruptus requires the withdrawal of the penis from the vagina prior to ejaculation. The male partner must have sufficient control to sense that ejaculation is imminent, and the motivation to exercise complete withdrawal for this method to be successful. Even then, conception can occur. Although the fluid produced by the Cowper's gland (the pre-ejaculate) generally contains no sperm, it can, albeit infrequently, contain small numbers [5,6]. It is believed that this phenomenon occurs because some sperm can become trapped in the urethra after a prior ejaculation. Although normal urination theoretically rinses the sperm from the urethra, this is not proven. Nevertheless, even if small numbers of sperm are present in the pre-ejaculate, this fact does not undermine the significance of the coitus interruptus method, which prevents ejaculation of tens to hundreds of million more into the vagina.

...

The disadvantage of the method is that it provides no protection from lesions on the skin or mucus membranes, and fluid from the pre-ejaculate may contain pathogens such as gonorrhea [8] and HIV [5,6].

I stand corrected, precum does not contain much sperm (if any). Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by SmartTart:

The bible makes no clear sway(sp?) of whether oral sex is permitted or not, but it makes the distinction that if sex is "used" for personal pleasure/satisfaction/etc. instead of reproduction AFTER marriage, it is a sin.

Therefore, because oral sex isn't for reproduction, even between married couples, it is widely assumed and practiced that oral sex is not permitted, and considered a sin.

SmartTart

EDIT: Im very Catholic and know alot of this stuff. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)



A lot of the major sins are just loving something on earth too much, in this case it would be loving to have sex. It's bullshit.

Digital_Dumbass and that stupid bitch KATE need to pull their heads out of their assses and realise they're full of shit.

SCIENCE is what I believe in. You should too. What the hell has religion done for humanity, may I ask? FUCK ALL. What has SCIENCE done for humanity? Virtually everything. Now shut the fuck up.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

anal is ok...between man and wife.

Have some verses that support that ?

I am not arguing with you, I have just never seen anything relating to this subject (between man and woman).

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

You can't redefine words you dumb cow. Everyone doesn't mean you and your two dumbass shiteating religious friends.

Religious freaks are subhuman. You stand in the way of humanity.

No, I am pretty sure that the religious aren't the only visitor's to this forum that can see you are full of crap, and don't mean a single word you say.

If you had a reason to believe that oral sex was wrong according to religious folks, I would at least expect you to know the source.

You got this information either from your own delusional mind, from Hollywood, or from other people that are equally ignorant about the subject.

Since you are providing no scriptural basis for your assertion, you should not be surprised if you don't get the answer you are looking for, and should not expect us to go hunting it down for you.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

try reading the Song of Songs before you come on my internet spouting indoctrinated crap,honey.



Your internet ?

I wonder how long it will take malaria and napoleon to gang up on YOU.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Have some verses that support that ?

I am not arguing with you, I have just never seen anything relating to this subject (between man and woman).

i'll be honest and say i really don't know. i know there are some verses used indirectly but i'd have to check myself.

the first thing which springs to mind is the phrase 'to lie with a man as with/ like with a woman'.but again i would have to look up the shades of meaning for the hebrew there.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

No, I am pretty sure that the religious aren't the only visitor's to this forum that can see you are full of crap, and don't mean a single word you say.

If you had a reason to believe that oral sex was wrong according to religious folks, I would at least expect you to know the source.

You got this information either from your own delusional mind, from Hollywood, or from other people that are equally ignorant about the subject.

Since you are providing no scriptural basis for your assertion, you should not be surprised if you don't get the answer you are looking for, and should not expect us to go hunting it down for you.

So, you guzzle cum?!

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

the 'church' is against a lot of things. it used to be a mortal sin to eat meat on a friday...

i was refering to the bible.



The Bible is against sodomy too.

Jack, you had said anal was ok...

The verse you are referring to (I believe) is:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

In order for a man to lay with another man in the "manner one lies with a woman", I would assume penetration would be necessary. I don't need to tell you how that occurs. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

It seems clear that anal is not ok for two men.

Romans 1:26 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

The Bible does not specifically speak to everything that a couple can do sexually. Where scripture is silent we must look at Biblical principles to try to build outlines for what is, and is not allowable in the marriage bed.

We are to abstain from immoral sex.

Fornication/unmarried sex

Galatians 5:19 - "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery..."

1 Corinthians 7:2 - "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband."

Adultery

Exodus 20:14 - "You shall not commit adultery."

Homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Beastiality

Leviticus 18:23 - "Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion."

Prostitution

Leviticus 19:29 - "Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness."

Proverbs 23:27 - "for a prostitute is a deep pit and a wayward wife is a narrow well."

Incest

Leviticus 18:6 - "'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations."

We are to have sex only in marriage; one man with one woman. (Mt 19:4-5, 1 Ti 3:2 & 12)

We are to lovingly meet the legitimate sexual needs and wants of our spouse.

1 Corinthians 7:3-5 - "The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife."

Love for our spouse, and respect for the bodies and minds God created, requires us to avoid anything which can cause serious problems physically, medically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.



Ephesians 5:29 & 33 - "After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church..."

"However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

1 Colossians 6:19 - "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own..."

We should never push our spouse to compromise their beliefs.

Romans 14:1 - "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters."

14:14 - "As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean."

14:23 - "But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."

I would venture to say that anything that does not violate these principles should be okay within the marriage bed.

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Jack - Song of Songs reference:

2:3 - "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest is my lover among the young men. I delight to sit in his shade, and his fruit is sweet to my taste."

4:16 - "Awake, north wind, and come, south wind! Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad. Let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits."

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[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 07-14-2005).]

digi, before you get RSI could i suggest just giving the chapter/verse?

no dispute about anal between men being a sin.

what i do have problems with however was quote:The Bible does not specifically speak to everything that a couple can do sexually. Where scripture is silent we must look at Biblical principles to try to build outlines for what is, and is not allowable in the marriage bed.

because then it just becomes a matter of interpretation ...and i don't need to tell you how 3 Xtians can interpret something in 4 ways, do i?

edit. i'll rework that in the morning

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i think a key point might be that LEV 18:23 doesn't say "Do not lie with an animal as one lies with a woman

but i might well be reading too much into that.

that's at best personal interpretation

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Your internet ?

I wonder how long it will take malaria and napoleon to gang up on YOU.

we all know the internet belongs to Snoopy!

ps. does anyone know if/what the talmud says on the subject of permitable sexual practices between man and wife?

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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

digi, before you get RSI could i suggest just giving the chapter/verse?

If you are asking me not to post the scriptures, no. I can't do that.

Most of these people won't bother themselves to look up the verses, and if they are readily available, they will read them.

I think that is paramount.



quote:what i do have problems with however was because then it just becomes a matter of interpretation ...and i don't need to tell you how 3 Xtians can interpret something in 4 ways, do i?

edit. i'll rework that in the morning



The whole Bible is up to interpretation, because that is what humans do.

Here, maybe THIS will explain it better, and also cite my source, which I forgot to do anyway:

~ http://tinyurl.com/82468

Tell me if you still think I am wrong in my statement.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 07-15-2005).]

Huh? Am I the only one who doesn't see the spousal references in Romans 14?

I actually read that as every man lives in God and in Christ, no matter his faith. Don't judge your brother because of his faith, he stands because of God.

Hmmm, if you are married, then oh why in some oom-paa-loom-pa like fashion, have to ask this question?

Jeez, if it isn't being done in Jeffery Domers-like manner, and it isn't causes mental/emontional problems, than why complex the fuck out of your common-sense jugement on something so simple???

Wait, I have to look that one up and see if my belief allows that..... 8-)

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Between a man and wife to teh best of my knowledge it is ok. The greek word por-ne-a (fornication) inculdes oral sex. so unless your married its bibicaly wrong http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

You fail to answer my question. Are you a cum guzzler?

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Makes fuck all sense.

"How come oral sex is a sin?"

I don't think this is said in so many words anywhere in the Bible, AFAIK.

It depends on who does it to whom, and on the exact circumstances.

You Christian-haters are usually coming up with the most outrageous and generalized misunderstandings relating to the scriptures that anyone could think of.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

the first thing which springs to mind is the phrase 'to lie with a man as with/ like with a woman'.but again i would have to look up the shades of meaning for the hebrew there.

According to my understanding, that would be having sex with a man - as one would with a woman. You can figure it out for yourself, I think.

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

"How come oral sex is a sin?"

I don't think this is said in so many words anywhere in the Bible, AFAIK.

It depends on who does it to whom, and on the exact circumstances.

You Christian-haters are usually coming up with the most outrageous and generalized misunderstandings relating to the scriptures that anyone could think of.

If any religion is misunderstood, it's because its followers are two faced hypocrite shits. We must plug their eyes out and rape them with swastika shaped dildos.

Isnt oral sex illegal in some states. I dont belive oral is sin in the bible, the bible exclaims that using the fruits of nature is not sin. Its just illegal to politicians, maybe because STDs, but its the users choice for the condom? Its a law, its obviously about getting more money from the tax payers.

The definition of sodomy is "noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex" according to Merriam-Webster.

And sodomy is illegal in many states. So oral sex is illegal in many states. Don't do it in front of the police.

Also, the bible is up to interpretation because it was written by people and not by a magician in the sky. As a result, it will contains errors, omissions, and contradictions, and it will leave many people confused but otherwise stubbornly devout.