I'm not sure if this is the right forum to put this in, but it seems like the best one. Mods if it isn't then move it. I have never posted a new thread in this forum, so here we go. I think that our oil usage is way to much. We consume 4x the amount of oil that is being found today. There is also no other kind of energy that can even compare to fossil fuels. I think that everyone who says that we are going to get better technology as we go is completely wrong. I think that we have only about another 50 years or so of technology improvment, then we go downhill. All of our technology uses energy, mainly fossil fuels. Once we run out, then everything goes to waste. Don't even try to tell me that in 50 years or so we will have a different kind of energy to replace fossil fuels. It just doesn't happen that way. I think everything we own will become junk, nobody will care about anything or anyone. The world will be in complete chaos. All the rulers of countries of the world are made up of fat ass rich people who care only about themselves. I don't think any of them care what happens to the people. The people will realize this and revolt against them. This will happen. My question to you is do you think that God will save us before all of this happens, or do you think that He will force us to live in this mayhem that we brought upon ourselves? And, don't even try to tell me that there isn't a God. It isn't possible for their not to be. Just look around you. I really honestly can't say what God will do. Only time will tell.

Sorry if i slaughtered the grammer and spelling. It is late and I'm getting tired.

quote:Originally posted by echo4818:

I'm not sure if this is the right forum to put this in, but it seems like the best one. Mods if it isn't then move it. I have never posted a new thread in this forum, so here we go. I think that our oil usage is way to much. We consume 4x the amount of oil that is being found today. There is also no other kind of energy that can even compare to fossil fuels. I think that everyone who says that we are going to get better technology as we go is completely wrong. I think that we have only about another 50 years or so of technology improvment, then we go downhill. All of our technology uses energy, mainly fossil fuels. Once we run out, then everything goes to waste. Don't even try to tell me that in 50 years or so we will have a different kind of energy to replace fossil fuels. It just doesn't happen that way. I think everything we own will become junk, nobody will care about anything or anyone. The world will be in complete chaos. All the rulers of countries of the world are made up of fat ass rich people who care only about themselves. I don't think any of them care what happens to the people. The people will realize this and revolt against them. This will happen. My question to you is do you think that God will save us before all of this happens, or do you think that He will force us to live in this mayhem that we brought upon ourselves? And, don't even try to tell me that there isn't a God. It isn't possible for their not to be. Just look around you. I really honestly can't say what God will do. Only time will tell.

Sorry if i slaughtered the grammer and spelling. It is late and I'm getting tired.

I believe that if there is an energy crisis as bad as you say that it'll either be time for armageddon or God will sit back and watch, as always blessing those who believe in spite of tribulation.

I am impressed by your faith that there is a God, I agree.

1. There ARE better fuels than oil. Nuclear energy, and hydrogen for example.

2. "Looking around" isn't evidence of a god.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

1. There ARE better fuels than oil. Nuclear energy, and hydrogen for example.

2. "Looking around" isn't evidence of a god.



1. Nuclear energy will not become that good in 50 years or less. we are not even close to having the technology to do half the things that fossil fuels can do. Hydrogen Energy has to be produced using another energy such as solar, nuclear and fossil fuel. Fossil fuel will be gone in 50 years. Probably It will get to be to expensive for the average person to purchase.

2. I dont care what you want to say there is a God. Plus, I wasn't arguing if there was a God or not. If you want to argue about that, do it in a different thread.

With coming technology, light oils like gasoline will soon be renewable resources.

- http://www.realdemocracy.com/cheapoil.htm

Oh, I forgot to mention they plan on digging up those huge methane deposits in the sea and use them for fuel too.

- http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1451499,00.html

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quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

With coming technology, light oils like gasoline will soon be renewable resources.

- htt p://www.re aldemocrac y.com/chea poil.htm (http: //www.real democracy. com/cheapo il.htm)

Oh, I forgot to mention they plan on digging up those huge methane deposits in the sea and use them for fuel too.

- http://www .guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1451499,00.html (http: //www.guar dian.co.uk /internati onal/story /0,,145149 9,00.html)



Your first site a person said that they new of a company that could turn dead animals into fossil fuels. I believe that they could. But i need to see a actual news site or a company site that says what this guy says. I think that there is a chance that he is full of shit. Also are you just going to start getting dead animals and putting them through this. How are you going to obtain them? I am an animal rights activist and i would be pissed as hell if people started killing animals. Also if you just started going around and taking dead animals the ecosystem would go to hell. All of the decomposers and scavengers would die.

The second site only says that they think that there is a new fossil fuel energy. They don't know for sure that there is any of this mysterious energy and they don't know how much of it there could be. If there is any of it of course. Digging up methane would be quite costly and it could really jack up the price of fossil fuels to the point where the average person couldn't really afford them.

echo4818: Your first site a person said that they new of a company that could turn dead animals into fossil fuels.

Actually, it can convert any carbon based material into oil. You just have to adjust the settings for different materials.

As for the validity, it's from a Discover magazine article. I just did a google search for a copy of the text and got that other website.

There's a link at the bottom of the original article. Here it is for you.

http://www.changingworldtech.com/

What makes the process so valuable is that it can turn stuff that would normally be stuffed in a landfill into oil. As for killing animals, they already do that. Might as well make some use of their corpses. Or at least it would be an alternative to grinding up the corpses and feeding them to other livestock, like they already do (the process has been banned in many countries).

The second site only says that they think that there is a new fossil fuel energy. They don't know for sure that there is any of this mysterious energy and they don't know how much of it there could be. If there is any of it of course.

I had already read about these methane in the Discover magazine before I found the article on the Guardian. These methane deposits are fucking HUGE, supposedly the bacteria there make up around 1/3 or 2/3 of the earth's biomass.

The disadvantages to all this is that these are still fossil fuels, and they'll pollute a lot. With thermal depolymerization, however, fossil fuels can actually be cleaned up by quite a bit. Not so sure about the methane, though.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

echo4818: Your first site a person said that they new of a company that could turn dead animals into fossil fuels.

Actually, it can convert any carbon based material into oil. You just have to adjust the settings for different materials.

As for the validity, it's from a Discover magazine article. I just did a google search for a copy of the text and got that other website.

There's a link at the bottom of the original article. Here it is for you.

http://www.changingworldtech.com/

What makes the process so valuable is that it can turn stuff that would normally be stuffed in a landfill into oil. As for killing animals, they already do that. Might as well make some use of their corpses. Or at least it would be an alternative to grinding up the corpses and feeding them to other livestock, like they already do (the process has been banned in many countries).

The second site only says that they think that there is a new fossil fuel energy. They don't know for sure that there is any of this mysterious energy and they don't know how much of it there could be. If there is any of it of course.

I had already read about these methane in the Discover magazine before I found the article on the Guardian. These methane deposits are fucking HUGE, supposedly the bacteria there make up around 1/3 or 2/3 of the earth's biomass.

The disadvantages to all this is that these are still fossil fuels, and they'll pollute a lot. With thermal depolymerization, however, fossil fuels can actually be cleaned up by quite a bit. Not so sure about the methane, though.

Back to the original question WHAT IF there wasn't any Fossil Fuels? Would God come or wouldn't He?

echo4818: Back to the original question WHAT IF there wasn't any Fossil Fuels? Would God come or wouldn't He?

God didn't come during Europe's dark ages, or the Great Depression, and I don't see what would make a modern energy crisis any different. I don't think he would.

quote:Originally posted by echo4818:

1. Nuclear energy will not become that good in 50 years or less. we are not even close to having the technology to do half the things that fossil fuels can do. Hydrogen Energy has to be produced using another energy such as solar, nuclear and fossil fuel. Fossil fuel will be gone in 50 years. Probably It will get to be to expensive for the average person to purchase.

2. I dont care what you want to say there is a God. Plus, I wasn't arguing if there was a God or not. If you want to argue about that, do it in a different thread.

1. Nuclear energy is much better than fossil fuels, and that's today. Nuclear energy would be done in a large scale obviously; it would be a nuclear plant.

What about vehicles, and machinery, you say? That's what hydrogen is for! What energy do we use to obtain the hydrogen? Nuclear energy.

2. If you don't care, then how about not mentioning it in a thread where that is irrelevant?

Moreover, why don't you tell HomerJay603 the same thing? After all, he mentions this when he says: "I am impressed by your faith that there is a God, I agree"

Wait... he said something you liked, so that's okay. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

If you don't want people to deal with something you said, then don't say it. It's that fucking simple.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

echo4818: Back to the original question WHAT IF there wasn't any Fossil Fuels? Would God come or wouldn't He?

God didn't come during Europe's dark ages, or the Great Depression, and I don't see what would make a modern energy crisis any different. I don't think he would.

Thanks for your opinion, Clarphimous. I thought of those things, but I thought that He might come, because this would affect the whole world. Not just part of the world. Those things only affected the known world, but not the whole world.

The only reason we started using fosil fuels is becasue they were cheaper than the alternatives. Oil based things are going to get very exspencive some time in the future. Money is a very powerful motivator and with good motivation technology can advance really quickly.

If we all pray on it, God will make extra oil.

quote:Originally posted by echo4818:

My question to you is do you think that God will save us before all of this happens, or do you think that He will force us to live in this mayhem that we brought upon ourselves?

How does God force us if we brought it upon ourselves? Are you thinking of God in a way that defines God as something like us, a being who thinks and acts like we think such a being would think and act? What if God is something totally different? What if God is a state of mind, a level of consciousness? What if God is mind, a higher expression of mind and we with our tiny human minds share in that great mind? Is it possible that enough humans could attain that level of mind variously described as christ consciousness, krishna consciousness, enlightenment, having the mind of christ etc. that the world would be transformed? Could that be described as God coming to rescue us?

What if there is a critical number, "144,000" / whatever, that once reached that number of persons having a level of consciousness, christ consciousness, who could radically influence events? What has been the impact of christ upon the level of human consciousness? Has it elevated our thoughts? What would be the impact of a vast number of humans attaining that same level? What if you were the one who added the last bit, the final member of the "144,000" to reach that state of enlightenment?

Is God 'a' spirit, or is God 'Spirit'?

King James Version (KJV)

God is a Spirit

New King James Version (NKJV)

God is Spirit

American Standard Version (ASV)

God is a Spirit

New Living Translation (NLT)

For God is Spirit

Think about it, if God is 'a' spirit, does it cause one to envision God as a seperate being from us, a being out there somewhere who we need to save us from ourselves? If God is 'Spirit', could God be both within and without, a divine force acting from within, able to transform humanity from a race of instinctual beasts into beings of enlightenment able to solve any problem simply by elevating our thoughts to a higher, more powerful level of consciousness?

quote:Originally posted by redzed:



Think about it, if God is 'a' spirit, does it cause one to envision God as a seperate being from us, a being out there somewhere who we need to save us from ourselves? If God is 'Spirit', could God be both within and without, a divine force acting from within, able to transform humanity from a race of instinctual beasts into beings of enlightenment able to solve any problem simply by elevating our thoughts to a higher, more powerful level of consciousness?

I think that God is both A spirit, and a Spirit within us. This is possible. God could be somewhere out there looking down on the sinful human race. He could also instill his spirit in us so that we could do his will for him. Not like robots, but if we are willing to recieve his spirit, then we can do great things. In the Bible quite a few of the stories were of people getting Gods spirit in them and doing amazing things. So for your thought at the end, even though it is completely off topic, I think that God is both a Seperate unique spirit, or being, and he is also a spirit within us.

If there is a god, he does nothing to save humanity. It's stated through the bible in different forms, one closest to my mind at this point in time is the statement that "god helps those who help themselves"..

The old testament god may punish us for our debauchery, the new testament god may forgive us our sins, but either way, he does nothing to CHANGE what we do, nothing to directly save anything but our souls, which is the only truly important aspect of our lives to him, not the physical nature of our lives..

One could even argue that in a difficult situation, in a difficult world, there are more chances for redemption, for true acts of grace by humans. In our fat cat lives, it's easy to ignore the suffering of others, but when everyone is suffering, it becomes important to treat others as we wish to be treated ourselves.

If God does exist, then there is no discernable difference between a universe in which it does exist and one in which it does not.

Since God is absentee on all important matters such as these, there is little use of proposing so-called "divine intervention" as a solution, because it never happens (which is wholly consistent with there not being anything to intervene).

As for nuclear being superior to fossil fuels, that is false. Fossil fuels are much more than energy. Fossil fuels are responsible for plastic, rubber, the food we eat and the clean water we drink amongst billions of other things. You're not going to see any nuclear powered cars and nuclear isn't going to fertilize our crops or power our tractors.

Not to mention hydrogen is a pipe dream that leads to nowhere.

But the way i see it is that we have two choices assuming Christianity is true:

1: Oil peaks very soon, concurrent with a rapture sometime this year or maybe this 2012 thing everyone is raving over.

2: Oil peaks after we can develop working models for alternative energy infrascructures.

Then again im not quite sure what this energy debate has relevnce to the religion forum.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:



Then again im not quite sure what this energy debate has relevnce to the religion forum.

Now, why would you say that? For some people here energy = soul...