Septhiroth has commented that gentiles have it easier than jews, as we are only commanded to follow the laws of noah and not the 630+ laws that a jew should adhere to.

yet to my mind ,Ben Zakkai and Co., actually made it easier for the jews.

the laws of Noah are (as expressed in Acts ) very vague.

who can define 'fornication' ? i mean define it in every day life...

is sleeping with a divorced woman fornication?

is anal sex fornication?

etc etc etc

from what i can remember of the basic introduction i had of talmudic reasoning , the old time rabbi's tested each law to destruction in hypothetical situations.

a jew may have to adhere to a myriad of laws but they are (As far as i know) fairly straight forward and clear cut.... if you want them to be. what i'm saying is that a jew could live a devout life and seldom have to question wether or not what he was doing was righteous, if he so choose.

i apologise for the slightly unscholary language...it's late and i'm musing..



[This message has been edited by jackketch (edited 07-25-2005).]

I know Jewish laws, but not too many gentile laws. I think the Jews were more a human based government, and gentiles relied on God to read theri hearts and judge them accordinly. But as to the fornication thing the greek word Porn'e'a (alliteration) i think its teh same thing as hebrew (im greek, and if it different in hebrew and/or ancient greek then iam wrong) it is translated (usually) as fornication, some say it includes masturbation, homos, thinking of opp sex wrongly, in all relationships (save for marriage) but, it for sure includes, anal, oral and wacking anther person.

yea the jews have some real interesting laws.

like, that its ok to rape a 3 year old. murder gentiles for anything. fuck gentiles out of everything. they even have a holiday where they officially break all promises made to those who arent jews. they consider us literal to god animals.

and they wonder why every so often tens of millions of ppl rise up to wipe these pieces of shit out?

quote:some say it includes masturbation, homos, thinking of opp sex wrongly, in all relationships (save for marriage) but, it for sure includes, anal, oral and wacking anther person.

which rather proves my point.

and Nihilist,

being an anti semitic is bad enough but being an ignorant anti semitic is beyond redemption.

do me a favour and fuck off and die somewhere quietly please.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

the laws of Noah are (as expressed in Acts ) very vague.

Christians like to be vauge so they can make stuff up.

Yes, there is further commentary on the Noahide laws. First here they are:

* Prohibition of idolatry

* Prohibition of blasphemy

* Prohibition of murder

* Prohibition of theft

* Prohibition of illicit relations

* Prohibition of eating live meat

* Prohibition of failing to establish courts of justice

The prohibition you're talking about is the prohibition against illicit relations. This is not "fornication". This is a prohibition against homosexuality, adultery, incest, and beastiality.

If you want to know more about the 7 laws, check with http://www.noahide.com/7laws.htm

quote:a jew may have to adhere to a myriad of laws but they are (As far as i know) fairly straight forward and clear cut....

Waaaaay off. Think about it. Take, for example, the commandment not to work on shabbat. What does that mean? When is this shabbat and what qualifies as work? It's not left up to you to decide what qualifies (what's the point of a godly commandment if humans are going to do basically whatever they understand about it anyway?), instead shabbat is on a very specific day, for a very specific time, and has very specific rules that are later qualified, and even then, you have to question if something you're doing qualifies under those rules. It takes alot of study to know just what to do, and even then you can't be sure you have it all covered, the point is to try.

First thing I'll do when we invent a time machine, is go back in time and train a dinosaur to fuck Noah in the ass. What a fucking trash jewbag.