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BaKeD_gOoDs
2005-07-30, 22:35
If god exists, why would he do anything more than to create the universe to work on it's own? I know when I invent things it's so that I can eliminate unecessary work. Since most religions believe that god is omnipotent, he most definately knows how to achieve this, or they're wrong. If we were only created for the purpose of life to exist, wouldn't you think that he'd want to just let it exist without disturbing his created natural order?

Maybe God's plan is to let us figure things out for ourselves, instead of being told. How do we know, if he exists, he'd want us to worship him? Maybe were merely supposed to establish peace for humanity, and be independent from him, as everything works for a reason in the real world and he's not necessary for explaination. I could respect god and his creation without kneeling before him and telling him. He would know this because he is omnipotent. Maybe god is perfectly cool with all of our choices, and created us to make choices, even to defy him, as he wouldn't have given us this ability if he didn't want us to have it. I see the world through science and math rather than spirituality. What would make this wrong as it's part of god's plan if he's exists, isn't it? Maybe we aren't judged by are sprituality or actions, but our ability to appreciate our sorroundings, or what god has done for us. It may not be written in a bible, but the bible is words on paper, god would be much beyond this.

I myself have a profound respect for the world around me that few share. I see beauty in the structure of water, and it's nature. I've gone out of my way to understand how ecosystems fuction, and why they are necessary to the overall function of our world. I've swam in mountain streams, the ocean, lakes, and ponds. I stare at the empty vastness of space, taking an overall look at the goings on of the universe. In gratitude for what I have, I invent environmentally sound systems so that we can coexist with this perfect environment for life while inflicting as little damage as possible. Basically, instead of worshipping god at church, I care about the world and try to make it better, back to it's old self. God or no God, I still have profound respect for existance that is beyond what most could ever understand.

The funny thing is, that even though i'm not a Christian, I mimick many of Christ's teachings and actions as he was a great man, with much knowledge that was lost on a large percentage of people. I think this is mainly due to the religion supposedly based on him, going against his word on most of what he was about. The more and more that I become like him, the less people understand me, so i'm not suprised that he's misinterpreted. I said like him, not become him.

Snoopy
2005-07-30, 22:59
What exactly is a God?

malaria
2005-07-31, 01:31
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

What exactly is a God?

So many things that it means nothing.

BaKeD_gOoDs
2005-07-31, 02:23
That's what I mean. It doesn't seem like god needs to do anything to exists, but does he exist at all if he does nothing. It sounds to me like nobody has a clue so we instead created a wide picture so that god fits no matter what. Why is it so hard for people to say, I don't know?

Hexadecimal
2005-07-31, 03:14
quote:Originally posted by BaKeD_gOoDs:

That's what I mean. It doesn't seem like god needs to do anything to exists, but does he exist at all if he does nothing. It sounds to me like nobody has a clue so we instead created a wide picture so that god fits no matter what. Why is it so hard for people to say, I don't know?

I find it easy to say 'I don't know', but my feelings about the world are quite the same as you described above.

n1k
2005-07-31, 07:14
God has created many universes, it is just our damn self-absorbed personalies that make us think that we are the only one..In reality "god" doesnt give a flying fuck about us.. And why should he? We are simple humans who cant even comprehend ourselves? God created the universe and left it to end itself how ever it wants to.



Why would an omnipotent god create an earth with the need of a man to come and "save" us all from sin??

Hexadecimal
2005-07-31, 21:57
quote:Originally posted by n1k:

God has created many universes, it is just our damn self-absorbed personalies that make us think that we are the only one..In reality "god" doesnt give a flying fuck about us.. And why should he? We are simple humans who cant even comprehend ourselves? God created the universe and left it to end itself how ever it wants to.



Why would an omnipotent god create an earth with the need of a man to come and "save" us all from sin??

You may fail to comprehend yourself and the basic drives of humanity, but don't project your ignorance over the entire race of humanity. I'm not claiming to know the exact reason behind every single on of my actions, but I'm fairly in touch with my subconsciousness and have a rather decent understanding of my actions and motives and a fairly decent understanding of most other's actions and motives. I don't go around exclaiming, "I know why you're doing that!" I keep quiet about it because I understand an aspect of our base animalism that is used as a justification for many of our thoughts and actions.

n1k
2005-07-31, 22:13
quote:I'm fairly in touch with my subconsciousness and have a rather decent understanding of my actions and motives



Ahh, but here's the problem, I personally dont think that you have a "decent understanding" of your actions. I think that you believe that you do but in reality you have no idea.

---Beany---
2005-07-31, 22:19
God does everything, without even trying.

BaKeD_gOoDs
2005-07-31, 23:15
I'd have to agree that very few understand who they are, or what they are. I however understand perfectly clear why I do the things I do, and their ripple effect on society as a whole. I know why my life is the way it is, and I know every step needed to make it whatever I want. Some things however may not have answers, and if you don't know, it didn't matter anyways. I also have an extremely clear life messege and purpose. I also have a lot of power over people and animals, and am able to control their thinking to some extent, which I wish I could do over the net. I can look at a dog a certain way, and it will instantly quit being aggressive and allow me to pet it. It's kinda like a jedi mind trick, very odd. The best part is that as I age my mind is becoming clearer and clearer about the workings of everything.

My purpose is to guide humanity out of darkness, to a new way of living that everyone can agree to live with, and would most likely want now, but it's not the time. Some very bad things have to happen before people are ready to here what I have to say.

n1k
2005-08-01, 00:28
quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

God does everything, without even trying.

So we arent really responsible for our actions? Why would a god that is controling me (or at least knows exactly what I will do throughout my life) want to send me to hell?? it seems like with omnipotence the idea of punishing nonbelievers is silly.

sketchy
2005-08-01, 03:01
quote:Originally posted by n1k:

So we arent really responsible for our actions? Why would a god that is controling me (or at least knows exactly what I will do throughout my life) want to send me to hell?? it seems like with omnipotence the idea of punishing nonbelievers is silly.



Maybe he's a hypotcritical bastard? At the moment don't christians believe we aren't controlled by him? Yes, christians beliefs change. Only lately, since people have started dropping out of church, has he been all merciful god.

godofjacob
2005-08-01, 05:01
The bible writes about the Gods (Moses, Noah, Jesus Christ ect.) A God is an immortal human being an all powerful being and from our historical refrences the last one occured in our time 2000 years ago, A God is One that has extreme knowledge of natural elements and the effects they have on the human body, an alchemist, one who practices alchemy, itrochemistry, or doctor. It requires extreme discipline of the human mind and body in which is very rare in this society, Which most will never want to endure, including exercise (Activity that requires physical or mental exertion, especially when performed to develop or maintain fitness: took an hour of vigorous daily exercise at a gym), exorcize( v : expel through adjuration or prayers; "exorcise evil spirits" [syn: exorcise], eating right and sleeping right.

A god never created the earth, the sun or the universe, Science did, And evolution created Humans, Gods, technology, ect. Which is also science.

---Beany---
2005-08-01, 08:56
quote:Originally posted by n1k:

So we arent really responsible for our actions? Why would a god that is controling me (or at least knows exactly what I will do throughout my life) want to send me to hell?? it seems like with omnipotence the idea of punishing nonbelievers is silly.

You are also God, controlling you. And there is not an eternal hell.

Tom_Sawyer
2005-08-01, 09:04
God is there to watch over us and help us.

The universe couldn't regulate itself because of something called "free will".

You should check it out.

I believe God exists and is an active part of my life, mainly because of so many things turning out good that wouldn't have if there wasn't an intervention by a higher being.

- Tom

midgetbasketball
2005-08-03, 10:58
*clap-clap-clap-clap*

I don't have anything useful to say because I agree 100%.