For those among us who are satanists, what do you believe your afterlife will consist of?

And on a side note, if you dont believe in a real Satan, what sets you apart from an atheist?

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quote:And on a side note, if you dont believe in a real Satan, what sets you apart from an atheist?

you mean besides a belief in God ??!

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

you mean besides a belief in God ??!



So what your saying is that alot of Satanists dont believe in satan, but do believe in God, and completely disregard His "fire insurance"?

I dont get it. That logic just makes you guys sound like a bunch of immature 13 year olds.

Lord lucifer will reward you with milleniums of virgin brides and mountains of coke!

if you mean anton levay shit, they dont even worship satan.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

So what your saying is that alot of Satanists dont believe in satan, but do believe in God, and completely disregard His "fire insurance"?

I dont get it. That logic just makes you guys sound like a bunch of immature 13 year olds.

actually i was trying to make a point. ..obviously with little success.



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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

actually i was pointing trying to make a point. ..obviously with little success.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

And on a side note, if you dont believe in a real Satan, what sets you apart from an atheist?

The fact that they may still believe in supernatural beings?

quote:Originally posted by Nihilist:

if you mean anton levay shit, they dont even worship satan.

Despite popular asumtions some people actually do worship the devil. And to a more "for-saying-this-I'm-going-to-hell" point, satanism actually makes more sense then christianity because christianity says that you must change as a person to go to heaven but satan loves you just the way you are.

And for the afterlife question I think it would be opposite, heaven would be hell and hell would be heaven but i am not sure.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

Despite popular asumtions some people actually do worship the devil. And to a more "for-saying-this-I'm-going-to-hell" point, satanism actually makes more sense then christianity because christianity says that you must change as a person to go to heaven but satan loves you just the way you are.

And for the afterlife question I think it would be opposite, heaven would be hell and hell would be heaven but i am not sure.



I have read a bit on this.

Christianity keeps saying that if bad things happen to you, it means that you don't have enough faith or your love for God is not sincere enough. Christianity uses the guilt mechanism to make believers devote more of themselves to their religion. Satanism is the opposite. It works on the reward mechanism.

It says that Satan will always love you, no matter what you do.

You people sure have a fucked up veiw of Christianity.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

Despite popular asumtions some people actually do worship the devil. And to a more "for-saying-this-I'm-going-to-hell" point, satanism actually makes more sense then christianity because christianity says that you must change as a person to go to heaven but satan loves you just the way you are.

And for the afterlife question I think it would be opposite, heaven would be hell and hell would be heaven but i am not sure.



anton levay went out of his way to say his 'satanism' wasnt the worship of satan. thats where my post came in. im sure there are ppl who worship satan. and im sure the mean age of those ppl are about 13 lmfao.

i dont follow at all your claim that it makes more sense. expound upon it.

and if there is a hell, which i personally doubt, and you think its better than heaven, you got issues. the point of hell is punishment, not fucking hot demon bitches all day

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:



I have read a bit on this.

Christianity keeps saying that if bad things happen to you, it means that you don't have enough faith or your love for God is not sincere enough. Christianity uses the guilt mechanism to make believers devote more of themselves to their religion. Satanism is the opposite. It works on the reward mechanism.

It says that Satan will always love you, no matter what you do.



i have never read what you claim about deserving the bad things that happen to you. perhaps you can post some RELAVENT examples of tis generality?

i have a feeling this is like the old 'its better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground' which to the absolute best of my knowledge isnt even in the bible.

the guilt mechanism, in this day and age, is used by ASSHOLES. and i dont know about you, but i dont pay attention to assholes other than on totse.

your sentences on satan are laughable.

the spilling the seed issue is in the bible, but it wasnt a whore.

In Jewish law, you were supposed to take your brother's wife to be your own if you were unmarried and he died. Thats what happened. But it was also in Gods plan that married couples (especially in that time when there were relatively few people in the world) would have children. Well he decided that he didnt want to have children with her and went and wanked off outside.

Needless to say God pwned him.

So what, are you Satanists going to Hell in the afterlife or not?

If you are a satanist you do not believe in an afterlife. Nobody would be a satanist if people knew that there was a God, it just wouldn't be worth it.

You believe that after you die you just end. A neverawakening sleep.

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

You believe that after you die you just end. A neverawakening sleep.

No, even asleep you are conscious. You will feel just the way you felt before you were born.

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

If you are a satanist you do not believe in an afterlife. Nobody would be a satanist if people knew that there was a God, it just wouldn't be worth it.

You believe that after you die you just end. A neverawakening sleep.

But if you do not believe in God, then there is no Satan. Making the entire religion a label.

Paradise, you dont feel anything before you were born. As not only can you not "feel" because you lack senses, but you lack consciousness to do the mental processes one would call feeling.

So then you are inferring that after death, the person exists no more and thats the end of it. Am i right?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

So then you are inferring that after death, the person exists no more and thats the end of it. Am i right?

That's exactly what I believe. I see it as only a pipedream that we continue to live on after death. I would love for it to be so, I would gladly love to be wrong about this, but I see nothing to contend that I am.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

That's exactly what I believe. I see it as only a pipedream that we continue to live on after death. I would love for it to be so, I would gladly love to be wrong about this, but I see nothing to contend that I am.

But you cannot scientifically prove whether or not there is an afterlife without beling able to communicate with those that have not passed on.

You cannot also disprove it either. Its like saying whether or not something is on the other side of a mountain. You cant conclusively say whether or not it does, but you cant rule out any possibilities.

So i find it illogical that you have determined there is nothing after death, because you cannot say for certain whether or not there is.

I agree, I don't know that there is nothing after death. But I have yet to see evidence to suggest it. Until someone shows me it then I won't believe.

Sort of like my take on gods, goddesses, dieties, jinni and animistic forces.

I labled it a 'pipedream' because we have no evidence for it ( or against it http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif) ) and yet people believe in it so feverishly.

I find it illogical people believe in something after death because there is nothing to support such a notion.

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Your point is taken. But your keeping your mind open to it i assume, so why shouldnt your wording reflect that?

Yes, one would assume it is indeed illogical to say that there is life after death. One can find no correlation that there is not an afterlife, but if your religious you do find correlation FOR an afterlife.

That is, if your religion is working tangibly (prayers answered, etc), then you see that your faith is not misplaced, and that you can believe in afterlife.

But like we both are saying, there is no proof either way. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Judaism had no concept of an afterlife for many of the books in their scriptures. It wasn't until much later on that an afterlife was developed. It wasn't even until Moses that the henotheism was being shunned away and replaced by monotheism.

Afterlife seems like a coping mechanism. Why are we any different than other animals? Why does "rational thought" mean we live on forever? Seriously, that makes no sense to me. I believe in this life and making it worth something. Christianity is anti-life. While I can't really verify that Jesus actually claimed anything or even existed at all, in the New Testament Jesus was all about making this life worthless for people to live on in the next. So that's all christianity has become. Screw this life, we'll live on in the next and all those nonbelievers will be burning forever. Yeah, way to love your neighbor.

There's absolutely no evidence for a soul. To me it's like saying the heart is where emotion lies. Uh no, it's the brain. The heart pumps blood. Yet you ask anyone and their first response is the heart. People have argued with me over this. Besides, where would a soul be? Could you lose it if you lost an arm? How much soul does each person have?

There are too many questions and no definitive answers. All I can do is concur with Freud on one of his good points: religion is a mass-coping mechanism. There is no soul. There is no afterlife. Until I see proof this is what I believe. At least it makes logical sense.

An afterlife of a Satanist consists of the Satanist sucking off Satan for all of eternity.

quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

Judaism had no concept of an afterlife for many of the books in their scriptures. It wasn't until much later on that an afterlife was developed. It wasn't even until Moses that the henotheism was being shunned away and replaced by monotheism.

Afterlife seems like a coping mechanism. Why are we any different than other animals? Why does "rational thought" mean we live on forever? Seriously, that makes no sense to me. I believe in this life and making it worth something. Christianity is anti-life. While I can't really verify that Jesus actually claimed anything or even existed at all, in the New Testament Jesus was all about making this life worthless for people to live on in the next. So that's all christianity has become. Screw this life, we'll live on in the next and all those nonbelievers will be burning forever. Yeah, way to love your neighbor.

There's absolutely no evidence for a soul. To me it's like saying the heart is where emotion lies. Uh no, it's the brain. The heart pumps blood. Yet you ask anyone and their first response is the heart. People have argued with me over this. Besides, where would a soul be? Could you lose it if you lost an arm? How much soul does each person have?

There are too many questions and no definitive answers. All I can do is concur with Freud on one of his good points: religion is a mass-coping mechanism. There is no soul. There is no afterlife. Until I see proof this is what I believe. At least it makes logical sense.

Too bad you dont know half of what Christianity is about.

i don't think most satanists believe in an afterlife. unless they happen to be of the weirdo medieval satanist persuasion, which i think consists mainly of black metal bands and completely insane people.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

So what your saying is that alot of Satanists dont believe in satan, but do believe in God, and completely disregard His "fire insurance"?

I dont get it. That logic just makes you guys sound like a bunch of immature 13 year olds.

Just like your logic which tells you that you are psychic? Idiot.

Oh, and it's "you're" not "your" you dense fuck.

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quote:Originally posted by Huggy Bear:

Just like your logic which tells you that you are psychic? Idiot.

Oh, and it's "you're" not "your" you dense fuck.



Im not writing a research paper, asshat. And i can hardly tell where you get off comparing ones religious beliefs (or delusions whichever you prefer) to whether or not something new is real.

quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:

Lord lucifer will reward you with milleniums of virgin brides and mountains of coke!

And a many-nostrilled nose to boot.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

Despite popular asumtions some people actually do worship the devil. And to a more "for-saying-this-I'm-going-to-hell" point, satanism actually makes more sense then christianity because christianity says that you must change as a person to go to heaven but satan loves you just the way you are.

<grim joke>Especially the way you are...</grim joke>

<Seriously>But where does "Christianity" (whatever you think that is) say you have to change ? It all depends on what you think "change" means. I think that in the original intentions of Christianity, there is love for everyone no matter who or what he is.</seriously>



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quote: Well he decided that he didnt want to have children with her and went and wanked off outside.

no

Well first off, Real Satanists believe in satan, and the good he can bring (yes, no one fights for whats evil, it's just a clash of ideals). Anton Lavey's church was just a glorified atheiest sex orgy club house, and shouldn't reflect on others ideas.

I'm Buddhist, BTW, not Satanic, but it's good to always have an open mind and understand other beliefs.

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

If you are a satanist you do not believe in an afterlife. Nobody would be a satanist if people knew that there was a God, it just wouldn't be worth it.

You believe that after you die you just end. A neverawakening sleep.



So if someone doesn't believe in an afterlife, then they can pretty much live their life however they want with no consequences, as long as they don't get caught. So where does your morality come from? Do you even have morals? What would prevent you from going out on a murder/rape/looting spree, assuming you were relatively sure you wouldn't get caught by law enforcement?

The Virgin Mary WAS a Virgin, UNLESS YOU COUNT ANAL! AHHAHAHAH

on a non 10 year old note. i think that we shouldnt question other peoples beleifs, because it just bakes us look like assholes who want to convert every other person

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



So if someone doesn't believe in an afterlife, then they can pretty much live their life however they want with no consequences, as long as they don't get caught. So where does your morality come from? Do you even have morals? What would prevent you from going out on a murder/rape/looting spree, assuming you were relatively sure you wouldn't get caught by law enforcement?

So we actually need the fear of HELL to have morals? It is impossible to have compassion and to care if we don't get rewarded with "eternal life" in heaven? This doesn't make you look good. By the way, read this : http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html

the fact is, in the after"life", we are either going to become death (nothingness, black, void of being) or Theoretically be thrown into a universe of uncomprehendable regeneration.

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

So we actually need the fear of HELL to have morals? It is impossible to have compassion and to care if we don't get rewarded with "eternal life" in heaven? This doesn't make you look good. By the way, read this : ht tp://www.e bonmusings .org/atheism/carrot&stick.html (http: //www.ebon musings.or g/atheism/ carrot&sti ck.html)

I'm just trying to understand how atheists view morality. I really don't care how I look.

You avoided answering my question.

The link you provided also avoids answering the question. It gives examples such as Objectivism, Virtue Ethics, Social Contract, etc., but with the exception of Objectiveism, they all ignore human nature. Human nature is self-preservation and self-interest. In other words, all humans put themselves before everyone else. Therefore, by nature, we are all just a bunch of savages. The only reason we have order in society is because of law, which is backed by violent force.

Therefore, I again ask, without the threat of violent force (law), why not rape, murder, steal, and do whatever we want? The vast majority of people will not go along with the common good, other than in the very short-term in order to gain something for the self in the long-term. If morality is equivalent to "seeking happiness", and if my happiness means robbing you, then your position says it's moral for me to rob you.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:

I'm just trying to understand how atheists view morality. I really don't care how I look.

You avoided answering my question.

The link you provided also avoids answering the question.

It does not. Learn how to read.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



It gives examples such as Objectivism, Virtue Ethics, Social Contract, etc., but with the exception of Objectiveism, they all ignore human nature. Human nature is self-preservation and self-interest. In other words, all humans put themselves before everyone else. Therefore, by nature, we are all just a bunch of savages. The only reason we have order in society is because of law, which is backed by violent force.

Rubbish. Maybe you consider yourself a savage that can't control himself without violence. Obviously, human traits like empathy and intelligence evade you. Really typical for a christian I might say.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



Therefore, I again ask, without the threat of violent force (law), why not rape, murder, steal, and do whatever we want?

Because we are homo sapiens, you moron! We can think and decide for ourselves why it's wrong to rape and murder. Of course, if you could think instead of being told what to do every time, things would be a lot better.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



The vast majority of people will not go along with the common good, other than in the very short-term in order to gain something for the self in the long-term.

Rubbish again. If that was the case we would never be able to form societies.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



If morality is equivalent to "seeking happiness", and if my happiness means robbing you, then your position says it's moral for me to rob you.

If that's what you got from the article, you are stupid. Or can't read. Or both.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Too bad you dont know half of what Christianity is about.

I know far more about it than you, asshat, but I'm not going to make one all-encompassing post. So go fuck yourself and your mother and maybe you'll figure out what it is you wanted to know to begin with.

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

If that's what you got from the article, you are stupid. Or can't read. Or both.

Ok, I admit I only glanced at the article. But after reading through it, I still think the article is rubbish.

Take this for example:

"Atheists are human beings also, and we are no less moral simply because we ground our ethics in human nature and the happiness of others rather than unquestioning faith in a set of ancient writings. Atheists are moral not because we are commanded to be, but because we want to be."

First of all, human nature is not described as empathy and intelligence. If it were, then how do you explain war, murder, theft, or rape? Throughout history, humanity has been savage, even during so-called "civilization". There has never been a time in human history when homo sapiens, as a group, decided these things were wrong and to just stop harming each other. Since when did ALL atheists decide to be moral? Clearly, there is reason NOT to be moral, if you are an atheist homo sapien following your nature. You are living in a dream world buddy.

Also from the article:

"In this world, we can make decisions that benefit us at others' expense, and so a moral code is needed to explain what we should do in such situations."

Right there is an admission that human nature is to seek out one's own self interest over the interest of society as a whole. Therefore, a code of ethics is needed. However, if anybody decides not to follow the code (Law), your utopian atheist society falls apart.

Thus, the need for Law. Law is brutal force, disguised as "peaceful" and "civilized". Without the threat of brutal force backing it up, Law is nothing.

So, even if an individual Atheist (or Satanist for that matter) decides to follow a code of ethics as an individual, there is still a need for a code of ethics, backed by the threat of force, to prevent others from not conforming to the code.

In my opinion, atheists as a group still require the threat of "HELL" to be moral. Although, for them Hell is equal to the threat of forceful law.

After going through this thread, I must say I have FAR more respect for Satanists than I do for Atheists. At least Satanists live in reality and acknowledge that human nature is to look out for one's self interests. Apparently, Atheists live in a dream world where humanity as a whole unanimously chooses to work together in peaceful bliss towards the common good.

Elfstone has not demonstrated any empathy or intelligence towards me, only extreme hatred towards Christianity which I NEVER said I followed. This is what perplexes me most about Atheism. If you don't believe in God, why do you care so much about what anybody else believes?

Atheism is not about being "too intelligent to believe the fairy tale of Christianity". In my opinion, it's about having a grudge against religion, specifically Christianity. It is EMOTIONAL more often than intellectual.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



First of all, human nature is not described as empathy and intelligence. If it were, then how do you explain war, murder, theft, or rape? Throughout history, humanity has been savage, even during so-called "civilization". There has never been a time in human history when homo sapiens, as a group, decided these things were wrong and to just stop harming each other. Since when did ALL atheists decide to be moral? Clearly, there is reason NOT to be moral, if you are an atheist homo sapien following your nature. You are living in a dream world buddy.

You realize that most of the times mankind acted savagely during civilization, religion played a major part in it. Human nature is not only empathy and intelligence but these are the traits that separate us from animals. Give humanity more credit than animals please. War, theft, murder, rape can all be explained when either empathy or intelligence subside. They are not more part of our nature than art, science, charity or philosophy.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



Also from the article:

"In this world, we can make decisions that benefit us at others' expense, and so a moral code is needed to explain what we should do in such situations."

Right there is an admission that human nature is to seek out one's own self interest over the interest of society as a whole. Therefore, a code of ethics is needed. However, if anybody decides not to follow the code (Law), your utopian atheist society falls apart.

Strawman detected. Of course a code of ethics is needed, that's the point of the article. What seems to fail to get to you is that this code should be based on reason rather than divine rewards and punishments. Did you read about the "prisoner dillema"?

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



Thus, the need for Law. Law is brutal force, disguised as "peaceful" and "civilized". Without the threat of brutal force backing it up, Law is nothing.

So, even if an individual Atheist (or Satanist for that matter) decides to follow a code of ethics as an individual, there is still a need for a code of ethics, backed by the threat of force, to prevent others from not conforming to the code.

It is easy to attribute everything bad to human nature for you. Our society and laws are not perfect, far from it. In fact, religion has been a major hindrance before we could attain this level of society where human rights are, at least superficially, respected. There is a reason why current society needs force to back up its law, and that's cause the law is unfair. A code of ethics can make sense without force backing it up.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



After going through this thread, I must say I have FAR more respect for Satanists than I do for Atheists. At least Satanists live in reality and acknowledge that human nature is to look out for one's self interests. Apparently, Atheists live in a dream world where humanity as a whole unanimously chooses to work together in peaceful bliss towards the common good.

Atheists live in reality but they don't like it. At least they try to make things better. Satanists care only for themselves, while christians don't care for anything except the afterlife. So, yeah I respect the satanist more than you too.

quote:Originally posted by MrWonderful:



Elfstone has not demonstrated any empathy or intelligence towards me, only extreme hatred towards Christianity which I NEVER said I followed. This is what perplexes me most about Atheism. If you don't believe in God, why do you care so much about what anybody else believes?

Atheism is not about being "too intelligent to believe the fairy tale of Christianity". In my opinion, it's about having a grudge against religion, specifically Christianity. It is EMOTIONAL more often than intellectual.

Extreme hatred? Did I kill your mother or something? Allow me to be pissed off a bit when we are collectively called savages.

Atheists care what others believe when those beliefs affect the world so much. We care when someone in the name of the christian god bombs innocent people. This is empathy. Don't expect it in a forum when you don't even admit it's part of your nature.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

So what, are you Satanists going to Hell in the afterlife or not?

Satanists don't believe in an afterlife, they see Satan as metaphorical, and that he, in all religions, obviously predating christianity by a long way, has stood for freedom, indulgance, and gain for self. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zonko:

[B] Satanists don't believe in ......

is there any satanists on totse

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

...Satanism is the opposite. It works on the reward mechanism.

It says that Satan will always love you, no matter what you do.

I think this is one of the most hilarious things I've read on totse so far (and I've been reading for a while).

Assuming that we are still inside the christian dogma:

-Satan is the opposite of God.

-God is love.

-So obviously Satan cannot love.

Conclusion: Whatever Satan will do with the Satanists, it won't include love.

Rape on the other side...

this debate is going nowhere



satan is a simile 4 badness, in the eyes of judaism

quote:Originally posted by Darwinist:

Assuming that we are still inside the christian dogma:

-Satan is the opposite of God.

-God is love.

-So obviously Satan cannot love.

Conclusion: Whatever Satan will do with the Satanists, it won't include love.



ok, first of all, these people are obviously not in the christian dogma, if they're worshipping satan, they obviously don't believe that god is love

second of all, i don't think that they mean love in the like, marriage sense, or godly sense even (feel free to let me know if you do) i think it's more of a like, 'i'm not gonna make you suffer for all eternity for being human, cuz that's who you are, it's all good' kind of a thing

p.s. fyi, i'm not satanist, but i think satanism makes more sense than christianity

quote:Originally posted by crazygoatemonky:

ok, first of all, these people are obviously not in the christian dogma, if they're worshipping satan, they obviously don't believe that god is love...

As long as they are talking about satan they are in some kind of a (weird) christian dogma because they obviously acknowledge the existence of god. I mean there is no point in calling satan by the name satan when you think he is the only one out there. You'd call him god instead (though an evil one).

As for them not believing that god is love: I agree.

quote:Originally posted by crazygoatemonky:

...i'm not satanist, but i think satanism makes more sense than christianity

I'm not a christian and I think satanism makes no sense at all. Maybe it sounds good but it's just dumb in my opinion.

When you seek freedom be an atheist or buddhist or whatever...

just my 2 cents

quote:Originally posted by Zonko:

Satanists don't believe in an afterlife, they see Satan as metaphorical, and that he, in all religions, obviously predating christianity by a long way, has stood for freedom, indulgance, and gain for self. http://en .wikipedia .org/wiki/ LaVeyan_Satanism (http: //en.wikip edia.org/w iki/LaVeya n_Satanism )

um, yes they do. traditional satanists believe if you fail to reach godhead (very long story), your soul is sent to hell. if you do advance your soul enough in your present life, you are granted another one after you die. this apparently continues to spread satanism. hell is a place of anything you could want, and heaven is where your soul is refined and consumed by angels.

quote:Originally posted by RogueEagle91:

um, yes they do. traditional satanists believe if you fail to reach godhead (very long story), your soul is sent to hell. if you do advance your soul enough in your present life, you are granted another one after you die. this apparently continues to spread satanism. hell is a place of anything you could want, and heaven is where your soul is refined and consumed by angels.

Pagan devil worshippers are not satanists you fool.

/Sigh...

The church of Satan is not a house of devil-worshipers. They are a group of people who regard belief in Christianity, or any religion, to be as silly as believing in the tooth-fairy. They chose Satan as a symbol for their house as mockery of Christianity. Basically they believe that there is no afterlife, and that since their time in existence is extremely limited they should spend as much time as possible enjoying that existence, with no compromises and no regard to what is considered acceptable by society.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't read the whole thread before posting. Others explained this in fewer words.

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Two things I'd like to point out:

1. If satan is fighting god, he

must think he has a chance to

win. And he knows better than you.

2. What horrible things did

satan do in the bible?

He told the truth after god lied?

He told the truth after god lied more?



God destroyed the world,

wiped out whole tribes,

plagues, wars...

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

If you are a satanist you do not believe in an afterlife. Nobody would be a satanist if people knew that there was a God, it just wouldn't be worth it.

You believe that after you die you just end. A neverawakening sleep.

Can we have a Satanist say what his own religion says about this?

Anyways, the idea of Satanism is just stupid because Satan's goal is the downfall of humanity because God wanted him to bow down along with the other angels to Adam and Eve but he was too proud to do so he fought a war with God, which he and his followers lost, and was banished to hell with his followers, where they are tortured. But now Satan constantly tries to destroy mankind and lead it in the wrong direction for vengeance.

^That is basic Christian theology on Satan.

Anyways, a Christian, in theory, could believe that Satanists were simply misguided by Satan like many people before them, and if they repent before death could be saved and still go to heaven... Just a group of thoughts... correct me if I'm wrong...

EDIT: I'm going to try to find some sources that can back me up later...

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quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Two things I'd like to point out:

1. If satan is fighting god, he

must think he has a chance to

win. And he knows better than you.

2. What horrible things did

satan do in the bible?

He told the truth after god lied?

He told the truth after god lied more?



God destroyed the world,

wiped out whole tribes,

plagues, wars...

1: Id like to see Satan pwn God

2: How did God lie? If He lied then that means that he is not God. If he is nt God then he could not have created the world or Lucifer. Your comment is a little oxymoronic.

"Anyways, the idea of Satanism is just stupid because Satan's goal is the downfall of humanity because God wanted him to bow down along with the other angels to Adam and Eve but he was too proud to do so he fought a war with God, which he and his followers lost, and was banished to hell with his followers, where they are tortured. But now Satan constantly tries to destroy mankind and lead it in the wrong direction for vengeance."

You fool, you foolish fool, satanists dont worship the christian devil, in fact they dont worship anyhting, the satan they refer to is a pre-christian pagan symbol, and see as a symbol.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Your comment is a little oxymoronic.

How come?

have you guys heard of aaron donahue? he's a luciferian high priest, I think he has some great ideas and I like him a lot more than jimmy swaggart and other sheeple shepherds.

http://radioaaron.com/

http://ummo.cc/

quote:Originally posted by Osiris89:

How come?

Because you make Satan to look like a good guy telling A&E the truth after God "lied". How can God lie and still be a perfect being? He commands people not to lie, because lying is sin, yet you say he himself can sin?

Therfore, Satan cannot be telling A&E anything true and still have God to be perfect.

Right to start off.

MrWonderful ,i hate to say this ,but you are talking such shit it is somewhat insulting to exist with you.

We need a god to have morals? you seem to have a morbid fascination with the evils of mankind, you have given no thought to good that is displayed by our race. Yes many of our race have done something evil and wrong ,but apparently by your reckoning without law and god we are all rapists and murderers?

wrong ,as a race we could not have survived if we all had homicidal tendancies. Do you no why i dont rape the people i want physically? Because i personally find the idea and outrage a disgusting defilement of an individual. Whenever i hear about rapes i feel kinda sick and you must realize that in that instance the threat of the law has not stopped someone. And what about the priest who rapes childeren or his sheep? he is religious and yet still does it. Religious people can sometimes have the idea that rape/murder etc is good for the god they serve,soes this make them right. I am not christian ,or religious , yet the very idea of this makes me sick. And murder, i can;t even kill insects not even the fly thats been pising me off and not those teeny little ones that fly around, i find that the idea of destroying life on an emotional or physical level is,once again,disgusting. I don't think i could ever kill someone without ruining myself afterwards.

I am actually somewhat insulted by your portrayal of people,in fact i believe that it is YOU who may have the emotional problems and control issues. If ou feel that BRUTAl force is needed as a threat to stop someone then you are indeed a very sick individual and should probaly seek proffesionsl help. Next time ,think before you type such a cretanas post ... please.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Because you make Satan to look like a good guy telling A&E the truth after God "lied". How can God lie and still be a perfect being? He commands people not to lie, because lying is sin, yet you say he himself can sin?

Therfore, Satan cannot be telling A&E anything true and still have God to be perfect.



God murdered many times did he not? In fact it could be considered as infanticide. God in his infinite wisdom created satan. And if god created satan he therefore created evil (from a christian point of view (by that i mean satan is considered wvil in the christian church)) if god has created evil it is there for a reason god cannot be good.

Your right god did not lie directly but he told them not to eat the fruit ,and he didnt tell them why, he told them they would die ,but he didnt tell them what they would gain ,that is gods most bitter gift ,the gift of free will ,and that he chose not to introduce us to that gift was an evil on his part. Satan told A&E what the fruit would do ,he gave them freedom ,and god did not stop him. Either god was powerless or god allowed an "evil" to take place.



I would rather have satan as my liege than god ,satan would not kneel yes? if god was all loving he would have understood this ,and would have dissuaded satan from rebbelion,if he ws all powerful satan would stand no chance. So god either created satn ,allows him to exist or satan has the same power as god and can easily hold him off....

damn ive forgot wher im going with this.....



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