First of all i think religion was first established as a way of controlling people and that darwins theory of evolution makes more sence than "god" creating adam and eva

I don't know if im an athiest or a materialist as i dont care much for these kinds of things

but before i was born i remember nothing almost as if my sole didnt even exist and i dont feel like it will exist after i die either.

the reason i think i could be could consider myself a materialist is because i feel if i was cremated once i died and my ashes were spread out over a farmers(this is just an example)field then anyone/thing that ate the food that grew off of my ashes would develope part of my existence

this is really hard to explane as i know nothing about this and dont think anyone in the world has the right to say they do

anyway i guess nothing up to this point has convinced me yet, so i remain athiest for the time being anyway

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true by the wise as false and by rulers as useful."-- Seneca

Maybe religion was started as a way to control people. I think it was used as more of a means to explain the world around you, and it spread through memes.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true by the wise as false and by rulers as useful."-- Seneca

Maybe religion was started as a way to control people. I think it was used as more of a means to explain the world around you, and it spread through memes.

lol sounds about right, so then really what is wrong with atheism?

quote:Originally posted by davidc538:

so then really what is wrong with atheism?

Depends on how you look at it. Strong atheism is at just as much fault as theism in my eyes. It claims to know that a God doesn't exist.

I really see weak atheism as the intelligent alternative that everyone should take.

To any so-called 'enlightened' 15 year olds out there. Spare me the Pascal's Wager bullshit.

Atheism is wrong because George Bush says it is.

BUSH FOR PREZ!!!

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

Atheism is wrong because George Bush says it is.

BUSH FOR PREZ!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHA lmfao!

Now on the point, nothing is wrong with atheism it goes on the basis that there is no proof of any kind of god and this is true. But main reason it is persecuted is because it completely goes against what the church is teaching and there for is the main enemy of the church. It is the antithesis of religion.

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

Explain the Crusades then. Correct me if I'm wrong, but were they not Christian soldiers looting, raping and killing?

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

How the hell is that true?

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

How the hell is that true?

Because my PROTESTANT friend said that.

You know, being Protestants, they keep hearing voices from Above.



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quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Explain the Crusades then. Correct me if I'm wrong, but were they not Christian soldiers looting, raping and killing?



It was not just Christians, the Moslems did likewise.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

Fag.

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html

quote:Originally posted by glutamate antagonist:

Fag.

ht tp://www.e bonmusings .org/atheism/carrot&stick.html (http: //www.ebon musings.or g/atheism/ carrot&sti ck.html)

Nice.

By the way, the fag insult is commonly used by church people. During those times, the Christians will try to accuse their enemies of being a homosexual or a witch, so that their enemy will be burnt at the stake.

i love how the thread is titled whats wrong with atheism, which theres nothing wrong with it, then it turns into a christian roast.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

Please tell me this is a joke?

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.



What is true that some people avoid Atheists because they think they are without morals or that Atheists are without morals?

the problem with atheism for me is that you can't really know either way if any of this shit is true or untrue. as many have said before -- atheism requires just a big of a leap of faith as any major religion does.

this is why i'm agnostic. as absurd as the concept of god seems sometimes, if i really think about it, i can't rule out the possibility completely. i don't like closing doors, i want to open as many as possible before i arrive at any kind of conclusion. i'd rather live the questions rather than forcing an answer. perhaps someday the answers will be revealed to me, but if not, no big deal. spiritual uncertainty doesn't really bug me, it stimulates thought and forces me to tackle all the difficult questions head on.

Well first i think that it is impossible to prove whether or not there is life after death. I don't think that Adam and Eve was necessarily a story made up for us to believe, if it was how ever I don't believe it. I feel it is insurmountable for us to be here without some sort of evolution, and that people don't just evolve from nothing. Personally I lean towards thinkg the whole theory of life after death was made up by someone who figured out they were going to die and then started worshiping a god to relax the man and make him more suttle about the fear of death. I do believe in a ruler over us, I guess you would call that god but I don't believe in "The God" that most people were brought up too believe...if that makes any sense. I do not think that any scienctist will ever be able to prove that life after death is certain, but I do think it is possible. I agree with your opinions you have formed, it's nothing unusual.I'm going through the same thing.



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quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:



What is true that some people avoid Atheists because they think they are without morals or that Atheists are without morals?

Both.

No, actually it's just the first one.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

No its not. Not at all.

Lack of religion does not equal lack of morals. Most people chose not to do these things, not because of fear of God, but fear of societies reaction and for the fact that they would not like these things done to themselves. (Thats why we feel so disgusted at even the thoughts of these things)

Anyone could be amoral. Just think of all those sinners who enjoy their dirty deeds and then reel them all off in a confession, beliving that thats good enough for God to forgive them.

(*Sigh* That last comments going to get me flamed be the Catholics, isn't it?)

quote:Originally posted by flatplat:



(*Sigh* That last comments going to get me flamed be the Catholics, isn't it?)



If Digi's a Cath, your ass would have been grass by now. You are lucky...

quote:Originally posted by Tr1p:

Atheism is wrong because George Bush says it is.

BUSH FOR PREZ!!!

American Theocracy is coming, and the New American Empire

Religion provides people with a framework of morals and a set of strategies that they can live by in order to achieve a happy and healthy life. Atheism lacks that framework and that is why it can be seen as being inferior to religion.

However if a person can lead a happy and healthy life without a god or religion then good for them.

quote:Originally posted by TheLaUghiNgHeretic:

Religion provides people with a framework of morals and a set of strategies that they can live by in order to achieve a happy and healthy life. Atheism lacks that framework and that is why it can be seen as being inferior to religion.

However if a person can lead a happy and healthy life without a god or religion then good for them.





Please read the following carefully : http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:



It was not just Christians, the Moslems did likewise.

The MUSLIMS were just defending there country they would have gone to war even if they were attacked by the arabs.

And so would you.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

The MUSLIMS were just defending there country they would have gone to war even if they were attacked by the arabs.

And so would you.

Read how the Crusades started.

I once wanted to become an atheist, but I gave up - they have no holidays...

quote:Originally posted by mYjje:

I once wanted to become an atheist, but I gave up - they have no holidays...

I think you forgot to say, "Henny Youngman once said..." and also to put what you posted in quotation marks.

Nothing is wrong with atheism.

I am an atheist/omnitheist/autotheist/taoist.

I'd much rather do the right things because of my own human morals, than be forced to do anything/not do things because of a set of religious morals.

Think about it, if someone feels the urge to commit a crime, but doesn't do so out of fear for divine retribution, does that make him a good person? It makes him a coward, if anything. I've said this before and i'll say it again. The non-existence of morality external to humanity gives morality greater value. Do what's right because it's right, not because anything/anyone else tells you to.

Well the thing is though that different people have different ideas of what is "right".

There are people out there that think there is nothing wrong with stealing. There are people that think theres nothing wrong with murder. There are people that think theres nothing wrong with rape. Thieves, rapists and murderers think that they are right in doing what they do. Neeedless to say these people are a threat to society.

The rest of society and I think that murderers, rapists and thieves shouldnt be doing what they're doing. That is why we have moral standards and "laws". If we were to let people run around acting like assholes just so we can respect their morals then society would crumble.

"Do what's right because it's right, not because anything/anyone else tells you to."

I agree that we shouldnt totally live our lives by the words of others but there needs to be some sort of moral framework for us. There are just some basics to morality that are essential to society.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Some people tend to avoid atheists, because they think that atheists is not bound by any moral principle. As atheists don't believe in God, retribution, redemption or damnation, they

will do as they please (as long as the law can't touch them) , such as rape, murder, stealing, etc. This is true.

BTK went to church dipshit.

^You must be a republican. It seems that i see more republicans using religion as a grounds for violent activities.

And about the atheism thing, becuase someone is atheist doesnt mean that they have no morals. It is just that since someone is atheist, they are not bound by the morals of the church/religion they follow. I dont go out and kill people. I make my own morals to follow by. No one can tell me what or what not to do. If i want to go out and have sex everynight i will do just that.

Can't remember who said this but it's true:

Religion is the opiate of the masses

quote:Originally posted by Mr. Idiot:

Can't remember who said this but it's true:

Religion is the opiate of the masses

That would be Karl Marx. To get technical he says:

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

Wow, just wow.

*Bows down to Paradise Lost and his knowledge*

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quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true by the wise as false and by rulers as useful."-- Seneca

Maybe religion was started as a way to control people. I think it was used as more of a means to explain the world around you, and it spread through memes.

Exactly how I feel. Look back in time, a lot of cultures thought storms were acts of god. But these days we have advanced sciences and we know a lot more about weather. Religion is just a creative way to explain things you don't have the technology to find the real answers to. And it's also used as control, look at extremists of all religions, they know its all bullshit but they use it to manipulate, make money, and get power.

Religion is not about god--mostly it is about crowd control.

It is possible--and logical and reasonable--to reject religion and embrace God.