Science supourts the great flood.

I was thinking. Why do we have ice caps? And What could cause suck a flood that the bible describes. The ice caps melt. Thats why people are afraid of them melting. Thats where the water went cause everyone knows that water is the same as it always has been.

When the ice caps started freezing the water got sucked up to the ends of the earth. Thats why it took so long. But, why did the ice caps melt? I say It is because the world wa spining perectly so that the ice caps melted. but what made the ice caps go back? it is because the magnetic force pulled up the water, and itsarted spining at anange again.

m still working out all the bugs, but im on to something.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

im still working out all the bugs, but im on to something.

Er... Make sure to publish your findings in a science journal. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

This is why people shouldn't drink while pregnant.

Well its possible. Centrigugal force says that the denser water at the equator will naturally be forced outward. The earth is indeed not spherical but has a bulge around it. The ice however isnt as dense as the water so it would stay near the axis.

However the Flood didnt start with the ice caps melting. They are melting today because of climate changes due to massive restructuring of the earths geographical features. If you were to say that man long ago would be sculpting the earth at even a fraction of what we are capable of today id have to laugh.

But kudos on creativity.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

but what made the ice caps go back? it is because the magnetic force pulled up the water http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

ill go even further to say that gods days are thousands of years long. Human time started with adam and eve.

The whole 7 days thing. What if the 7 days was religons way of describing what it took god thousans of years to make?

Id go so far as to say that The great flood was a reset, and I consider noah as Adam.

The reason I say That is because What if noah hadent built an ark. No one would be here, and there would only be aquatic life. evolution would start over and a new chapter would begin.

A reset.

Evolution would start over.

Science and Religon suppourt eachother.



[This message has been edited by bushy (edited 08-03-2005).]

if you'd looked into this then you would know that many ancient mythologies record not only the deluge of water but also of fire.

Because a god is omnipotent meaning it could create everything in an infinitely small amount of time.

Faith and science go together as comfortably as Judaism and pig breeding, man. Holding both views is tantamount to a form of schizophrenia. Now before anyone jumps on my case I'm not saying people can't see both. They're just mutually antagonistic.

With out religon there wouldnt be science. and with out science there wouldnt be religon. right?

I'm unsure if he is actually serious.

If he is, are people's scientific education that lacking?

Jackketch: Few civilizations (that weren't contaminated by christianity) record a deluge that is similar to the bible. The chances of them recording a deluge are large considering the amount of flooding agricultural areas recieve, but even so a serious study of civilization mythology shows many with no such flood myth.

It would be like going to court and saying, "Many people have seen banks get robbed. Thus the defendant is guilty."

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

With out religon there wouldnt be science. and with out science there wouldnt be religon. right?WRONG. (http://www.creationtheory.org/index.php)



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quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

I'm unsure if he is actually serious.

I think he may be serious. I'm still skeptical though. But that's just my idealistic nature that not everyone is a moron.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

ill go even further to say that gods days are thousands of years long. Human time started with adam and eve.

The whole 7 days thing. What if the 7 days was religons way of describing what it took god thousans of years to make?

Id go so far as to say that The great flood was a reset, and I consider noah as Adam.

The reason I say That is because What if noah hadent built an ark. No one would be here, and there would only be aquatic life. evolution would start over and a new chapter would begin.

A reset.

Evolution would start over.

Science and Religon suppourt eachother.





The Bible (which you are pulling this from) denotes that a day is LIKE a thousand years to God. God is eternal. There is no need for time. Also if you are taking the Bible literally with respect to the order of Creation, i doubt you considered plants need light to survive, and couldnt survive a thousand years without it.

And Dead Helmsman, water is magnetic. Oxygen in water is magnetic. Look up LOX.

quote:Jackketch: Few civilizations (that weren't contaminated by christianity) record a deluge that is similar to the bible. The chances of them recording a deluge are large considering the amount of flooding agricultural areas recieve, but even so a serious study of civilization mythology shows many with no such flood myth.

i did look into this fairly seriously a few years ago. a lot depends on what how you classify a 'flood myth'. what counts etc.

your point about 'untainted by chistianity' is extremely valid (esp.when dealing with the african deluge accounts).

i don't think i claimed that the other mythologies account were similar to the bible. by and large they aren't.

even the sumerian account from which the biblical account seems to stem (at least in part) is considerably different to that of genesis.

in the end Id like to finish that When we die We Beome a God.

Thats what heaven is.

[This message has been edited by bushy (edited 08-03-2005).]

Um... LOX is not water, and oxygen dissolved in water is not liquid. Water is very weakly diamagnetic. A field strong enough to "attract it" (actually repel) would attract everything else.

Jackketch: Yeah, you didn't say anything about them being similar, I just thought I would add it for clarification.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Science supourts the great flood.

I was thinking. Why do we have ice caps? And What could cause suck a flood that the bible describes. The ice caps melt. Thats why people are afraid of them melting. Thats where the water went cause everyone knows that water is the same as it always has been.

When the ice caps started freezing the water got sucked up to the ends of the earth. Thats why it took so long. But, why did the ice caps melt? I say It is because the world wa spining perectly so that the ice caps melted. but what made the ice caps go back? it is because the magnetic force pulled up the water, and itsarted spining at anange again.

m still working out all the bugs, but im on to something.

Many fundementalist Christians have a completely different theory on the subject. One thats actually quite interesting too, but it seems highly unlikely to have been possible. If I can find a link to the theory that I'm talking about I'll post it but I don't feel like looking right now.

quote:Originally posted by URa11FUX:

Many fundementalist Christians have a completely different theory on the subject. One thats actually quite interesting too, but it seems highly unlikely to have been possible. If I can find a link to the theory that I'm talking about I'll post it but I don't feel like looking right now.

Vapour Canopy?

Hydroplate?

The 'comet made out of water' one?

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Vapour Canopy?

Hydroplate?

The 'comet made out of water' one?

Can't we just use the realistic category of 'bullshit' to describe the world-wide flood hypotheses?

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Um... LOX is not water, and oxygen dissolved in water is not liquid. Water is very weakly diamagnetic. A field strong enough to "attract it" (actually repel) would attract everything else.

Jackketch: Yeah, you didn't say anything about them being similar, I just thought I would add it for clarification.

Obviously you didnt read where the quoted poster said water isnt magnetic.

And i never said LOX was water, dumbass.

No I didn't. Show me where someone said water isn't magnetic.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

No I didn't. Show me where someone said water isn't magnetic.

Dead Helmsman's postt above.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Dead Helmsman's postt above.

You mean this?

quote:Originally posted by Dead Helmsman:

Originally posted by bushy:

but what made the ice caps go back? it is because the magnetic force pulled up the water http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

I never disputed that water was weakly magnetic; I was expressing my disdain for the idea that the icecaps got pulled all the way back to their initial positions by the poles. As Beta69 described:

quote:Water is very weakly diamagnetic. A field strong enough to "attract it" (actually repel) would attract everything else.

Beside, there would have to be other processes inolved than just magnetism.

Your rolleyes make it seem as though you didnt need to comment one it. At any rate since liquid water is more dense than ice, the magnetism does help out because it pushes water away. But like you said, there would be more to it than just magnetism.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Can't we just use the realistic category of 'bullshit' to describe the world-wide flood hypotheses?

Hahaha

Maybe you should think twice next time you use the power of the dumbass. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Since ice is created at the poles, I don't see any reason why we need any mechanism to draw it there.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Maybe you should think twice next time you use the power of the dumbass. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Since ice is created at the poles, I don't see any reason why we need any mechanism to draw it there.

Yes, but what is the mechanism that keeps them there then?

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

ill go even further to say that gods days are thousands of years long. Human time started with adam and eve.

The whole 7 days thing. What if the 7 days was religons way of describing what it took god thousans of years to make?

Id go so far as to say that The great flood was a reset, and I consider noah as Adam.

The reason I say That is because What if noah hadent built an ark. No one would be here, and there would only be aquatic life. evolution would start over and a new chapter would begin.

A reset.

Evolution would start over.

Science and Religon suppourt eachother.





I belive the Reset theroy is a Starquake that happens every so many years, it would erase us from exsistance.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Yes, but what is the mechanism that keeps them there then?

Ice has a tendancy to form in cold climates...and generally sticks to landmasses.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Vapour Canopy?

Hydroplate?

The 'comet made out of water' one?

Ahh, yes the first one. And as far as the rain goes, the bible says that it didn't rain before this. I remember watching a video with a theory on this. They believed that umm there was water around the earths atmosphere creating a greenhouse affect or something and that was the reason people supposedly lived to be over 900 at that time but I forgot how they said it supposedly rained.

quote:Originally posted by URa11FUX:

Ahh, yes the first one. And as far as the rain goes, the bible says that it didn't rain before this. I remember watching a video with a theory on this. They believed that umm there was water around the earths atmosphere creating a greenhouse affect or something and that was the reason people supposedly lived to be over 900 at that time but I forgot how they said it supposedly rained.



Actually, i am pretty sure that the Bible does not say that it did not rain before the Flood. It is implied, however, from the use of the rainbow as a reminder that God would not destroy the earth with water again.

QUOTE Originally posted by bushy:

ill go even further to say that gods days are thousands of years long. Human time started with adam and eve.

The whole 7 days thing. What if the 7 days was religons way of describing what it took god thousans of years to make?

7000 years of Creation, and the 6000 or so years since Creation, does not add up to the 15 billion years that a naturalistic view contends.

Id go so far as to say that The great flood was a reset, and I consider noah as Adam.

Yes and the Bible agrees with you.

The reason I say That is because What if noah hadent built an ark. No one would be here, and there would only be aquatic life.

If Noah built that Ark, it was at God's command.

7000 years of Creation, and the 6000 or so years since Creation, does not add up to the 15 billion years that a naturalistic view contends.

I don't think he meant one day=one thousand years. A millenia in many ancient stories was generally meant as an unspecific period of time, but on a massive scale. It could be anywhere from an actually millenia to billions of years.

If Noah built that Ark, it was at God's command.

I really hope that Noah did build an Ark, and that it is found...because there is no way in hell it will be big enough to have supported 2 of every species that required land. The largest stadium in the world can't even support 1 of every land species, let alone 2. The finding of an Ark large enough to support a massive host of animals, per se the variety of species common to the fertile crescent and the immediate surroundings, would prove once and for all that the Bible is not 100% literal in its stories...something that would bridge the gap between science and religion without harming the credibility of the Bible one bit, but merely changing how literally people view the creation and flood accounts (Accounts that I do believe to be true even as an atheist, just not to the literal word as written in the Bible).

quote:Originally posted by URa11FUX:

Ahh, yes the first one. And as far as the rain goes, the bible says that it didn't rain before this. I remember watching a video with a theory on this. They believed that umm there was water around the earths atmosphere creating a greenhouse affect or something and that was the reason people supposedly lived to be over 900 at that time but I forgot how they said it supposedly rained.

What keeps the clouds up there? By this I mean did you guys sleep through the mechanism behind clouds? It's a continous cycle.

These are global-spanning clouds hundreds of miles thick ( at least they would need to be to hold all that water to cover the mountains ) why didn't it increase atmospheric pressures?

Wouldn't all those clouds cause a super greenhouse effect?

And how does the greenhouse effect help people live to be over 900?



[This message has been edited by Paradise Lost (edited 08-05-2005).]

If it's the vapour canopy theory I think, it helped people live longer because these clouds blocked damaging UV rays (the same rays that are required to produce vitamin D and survive. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) )

They claim it never rained because the bible talks about mist coming up from the ground to water plants. The rainbow sign to Noah was the first time they had ever seen a rainbow because it had never rained before that (we will ignore the fact mist produces rainbows).

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

If it's the vapour canopy theory I think, it helped people live longer because these clouds blocked damaging UV rays (the same rays that are required to produce vitamin D and survive. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) )

They claim it never rained because the bible talks about mist coming up from the ground to water plants. The rainbow sign to Noah was the first time they had ever seen a rainbow because it had never rained before that (we will ignore the fact mist produces rainbows).

I thought clouds magnified UV rays...hence the ability to get severe sunburn in mere minutes on an overcast day.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

I thought clouds magnified UV rays...hence the ability to get severe sunburn in mere minutes on an overcast day.

Nope, dark clouds block UV radiation. The danger comes when light clouds or haze blocks the suns visible light and heat but not the UV radiation, so people stay outside longer and don't use sunscreen. Not realizing they are getting bathed in almost the same intensity of UV light as a hot summer day at the beach.



[This message has been edited by Beta69 (edited 08-05-2005).]

I read that it wasnt rain that flooded the earth, It was the sun that superheated the earth and melted the Ice caps, Like I said the sun will produce a Star Quake every so many years and demolish the planet, and melting the ice caps, therefore flooding the earth.

here's som elinks that prove it

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/hudnall/?noframes;read=554

http://home.earthlink.net/~fpearce/scuba/flood.html

Is that a joke, Star Wars Fan?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you crack me up bushy.

If you studied science a bit more you would realise that made no sense.

And besides science has proven that around noah's time there was a big flood but it only covered around the mediterainean(spel?) sea.

There isn't enough ice to flood the earth.



Exerpt from howstuffworks:

"The main ice covered landmass is Antarctica at the South Pole, with about 90 percent of the world's ice (and 70 percent of its fresh water). Antarctica is covered with ice an average of 2,133 meters (7,000 feet) thick. If all of the Antarctic ice melted, sea levels around the world would rise about 61 meters (200 feet). But the average temperature in Antarctica is -37°C, so the ice there is in no danger of melting. In fact in most parts of the continent it never gets above freezing.

At the other end of the world, the North Pole, the ice is not nearly as thick as at the South Pole. The ice floats on the Arctic Ocean. If it melted sea levels would not be affected.

There is a significant amount of ice covering Greenland, which would add another 7 meters (20 feet) to the oceans if it melted. Because Greenland is closer to the equator than Antarctica, the temperatures there are higher, so the ice is more likely to melt."

http://www.science.howstuffworks.com/question473.htm

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Is that a joke, Star Wars Fan?

no, it wasn't. even though the links look like that, they give some valid points.

A few valid points, but not many.

The scuba site is funny, they even screw up understanding the bible (psalms is speaking of the water running away, not the mountains moving and it should be obvious from the bit they cited, let alone further study).

Since they cited christiananswers.net (the crappiest appologetics site I have seen full of good christian lies and deceit.) at least it's not their fault.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

i did look into this fairly seriously a few years ago. a lot depends on what how you classify a 'flood myth'. what counts etc.

your point about 'untainted by chistianity' is extremely valid (esp.when dealing with the african deluge accounts).

i don't think i claimed that the other mythologies account were similar to the bible. by and large they aren't.

even the sumerian account from which the biblical account seems to stem (at least in part) is considerably different to that of genesis.

If I'm not mistaken. Didn't the jewish people travel through mesopotamia? If so they would most likely have heard the sumerian version of the flood. Might they have simply changed a few thnigs here and there in the story and Noah and his ark were born?