And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

I have a problem with this.

To me it appears that God was working with someone, maybe other gods. Who is us and our?

I am sure people will say trinity but Im not sure if thats it. Why wasnt trinity explained before? and Why dont we worship thost three.

I still contend that the kingdom of heaven is in all of us.

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There's several theories to this, but the most common one (and the one I think makes the most sense) is that the bible was original written in Hebrew and Aramaic, which are similiar (not the same). And in Hebrew and Aramaic there are several names for god but the main one is Elohim which translates literally to god-of-all-gods. This entails that god is a multifaceted god perhaps encompassing several different demi-gods. So, when read in it's original language it makes more sense. It's more like god is talking with himself.

Cheers,

Lost

BUSHY U MOTHERFUCKER!

I just came here to this forum for the first time to post this song lyric:

"Yo, the holy script from Genesis 1-26

says, "Let us make man in our image under our likeness"

First of all who's THEY? You see if God

was truly a single entity that's not what he would say

We as the Elohim, Gods and Goddesses

posess a marvelously monsterous subconscious"

You just barly beat me. Thoes lyrics come from Canibus's song Channel Zero. My muslim friend said that Gen 1:26 proves the crappyness of the bible. I really don't kno the answer. It prolly was just a language thing. oh well, Good song. download it. Canibus was trying to argue the existance of aliens though.

its the trinity

Some claim it's the trinity, although where Jesus comes from before he was born, I don't know. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

A common theory is that the writers were polythestic, and this was to show that their God was the top God over the others that were worshiped.

The bible is written by many men. Being the work of men, it is of course imperfect. Thus, the sloppiness may appall you.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

The bible is written by many men. Being the work of men, it is of course imperfect. Thus, the sloppiness may appall you.

Yes, and as our civilization becomes near perfect everyday, we should be writing a new bible to keep up with the times.

It is well known that christianity is a polytheism(trinity). So all you religio-buffs are all going to hell anyway unless you stop worshiping Jesus and "The Holy Ghost"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

*Wraps cape around self and disapears in cloud of smoke*

And also, a true muslim wouldn't dis the bible. I won't say why on this post but I'm going for my Imam-ship http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif) and I know that no muslim would dis the bible.

Damn I had more to say but I forgot.

I'll be back

Just because Jesus, the incarnation, wasn't born yet doesn't mean He didn't exist. Jesus is the Word of God. Somewhere else around that place where it talks about God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, that's Jesus. May not have had the name, but He was the Son part of the Trinity.

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quote:Originally posted by bushy:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

To me it appears that God was working with someone, maybe other gods. Who is us and our?



I thought that god was talking to his angels when he said that, but I also heard the trinity explanation.

quote:Originally posted by Doey:

I thought that god was talking to his angels when he said that, but I also heard the trinity explanation.

Exactly, look who he is talking to. He is talking to the people in heaven. Be it either the trinity or the angels, you cant say that it was other gods.

In the Bible, God has manifested himself in three forms: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The logic doesn't make sense to us, but it's one God, three separate identities. However you attempt to explain it, you're probably wrong.

quote:Originally posted by fieldy920:

However you attempt to explain it, you're probably wrong.This true for many things, especially when dealing with this subject matter.

Why cant God just be the God of all gods? as long as there is the god of all gods, what says that there cant be gods of smaller things, and smaller.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

There's several theories to this, but the most common one (and the one I think makes the most sense) is that the bible was original written in Hebrew and Aramaic, which are similiar (not the same). And in Hebrew and Aramaic there are several names for god but the main one is Elohim which translates literally to god-of-all-gods. This entails that god is a multifaceted god perhaps encompassing several different demi-gods. So, when read in it's original language it makes more sense. It's more like god is talking with himself.

Cheers,

Lost

A further extension of this theory is that the multiple facets are simply the faces of the triune being. We all know what those are, living in the western world, and it is most noticable that apparently the one referred to in Hebrew as Elohim and English as God is the one in charge. This is a little confusing since it is common for people to refer to Jehova/Yahweh as God as well, making it ahrd to distinguish between the triune and the singular.

quote:Originally posted by fieldy920:

In the Bible, God has manifested himself in three forms: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The logic doesn't make sense to us, but it's one God, three separate identities. However you attempt to explain it, you're probably wrong.

Wrong.

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent...

In case you didn't catch that, Jesus was a man.

As for Elohim, getting some Rashi commentary in here:

Genisis 1:26

And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth."

Let us make man From here we learn the humility of the Holy One, blessed be He. Since man was created in the likeness of the angels, and they would envy him, He consulted them. And when He judges kings, He consults with His Heavenly household, for so we find regarding Ahab, that Micah said to him, (I Kings 22:19): “I saw the Lord seated on His throne, and all the host of heaven were standing by Him, on His right and on His left.” Now do “left” or “right” apply to Him ?! But rather, [the passage means that] these [angels] were standing on the right to defend, and these [angels] were standing on the left to prosecute. Likewise, (Dan. 4:14): “By the decree of the destructive angels is the matter, and by the word of the holy ones is the edict.” Here too, He took counsel with His heavenly household. He said to them, “Among the heavenly beings, there are some in My likeness. If there are none in My likeness among the earthly beings, there will be envy among the creatures of the Creation. ” - [from Tanchuma, Shemoth 18; Gen. Rabbah 8:11, 14:13]

Let us make man Even though they [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel (to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies), Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself. And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it "And God created", it does not say "and they created". - [from Gen. Rabbah 8:9]

after our likeness to understand and to discern.

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I like the idea that God likes to refer to himself in third person plural.

Like Gollum

quote:Originally posted by flatplat:

I like the idea that God likes to refer to himself in third person plural.

Like Gollum

Its refered to as the royal we.

It is also important to realize that though the torah (or old testament) condems worshippng more than one G-d, it actually specifies that there were others. Otherwise the phrase "Thou shalt have no other god besides me" would be pointless because there would be no others.