What's the big fucking deal? It doesn't hardly evenb concern us. Think about it, whether the world was created by random chance billions of years ago, or created by a Creator thousands of years ago, what does it matter?

Some people can't stand the idea that other people think diferently than them. Or don't like untruthful things being taught to children.

What does it matter that other people think differently?

Not much.

What does it matter if they try to push their dumbass views into the rest of the world as truth?

A lot.

You might not realize it, but the world is heavily effected by quality biology, geology, astronomy and physics. Pushing crappy science because your religion says so can effect peoples health, your pocket book, future technology, etc.

Mankind at this point of our evoultion, do not know shit. And things we do know are further proof of how much we don't know. Any theory can be right about anything. Proven sciences now might be debunked in a 100 years.

in theory we know how the world started. it's how the universe started that's the big question, as for your question we shouldn't obsess about it, because that would be daft, we wouldn't get anything done all day. regardless of how the universe started or whether this is all a digital signal interpreted by our brains it's best to remember that no one got anywhere fast just sitting around thinking about things all day.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

What's the big fucking deal? It doesn't hardly evenb concern us. Think about it, whether the world was created by random chance billions of years ago, or created by a Creator thousands of years ago, what does it matter?

Because if the theists are right, those who don't believe are in "deep shit", so to speak. It's a rather important question, and certainly does affect us now.

Edit: Affect? Effect? http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Because if the theists are right, those who don't believe are in "deep shit", so to speak. It's a rather important question, and certainly does affect us now.



If any religion is right then a lot of people are in deep shit. That is if the supreme being even cares whether we believe or not. How a perfect being could be constrained by such human attributes as ego is beyond me though. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

What if the Egyptians had it right? Are we all screwed for not believing? Or maybe Scientology? All religions are the same, just change a few fundamental rules and screw around with the gods characteristics and anyone can come up with some crack-pot idea based on nothing.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

What's the big fucking deal? It doesn't hardly evenb concern us. Think about it, whether the world was created by random chance billions of years ago, or created by a Creator thousands of years ago, what does it matter?

Beta69 gave the best answer for the reason not to believe in Special Creation (about 6000 years ago).

Now for the other side of the coin: If the belief that science is correct i.e Big Bang, evolution, etc. and that is the reason for a person's disbelief in Christ; then it matters very much, as Salvation is what is at stake.

I think it is possible for a Christian to think that billions of years origin is correct, and not put their own Salvation in jeopardy; since belief that Christ died for our Sins is the way to Heaven. But, if science is the reason that one does not believe in the Christ, then the purpose of Creation Science is to help them realize that there are other scientific ideas/answers.

Over the past few months i've been giving this much thought. And even though i have not changed my view or understanding of a literal interpretation of God's Word, I personally have no problem with the "God done it that way" answer. Creation Science is really a way of saying that God did it "a naturalistic" way, just in a much shorter time frame than secular "naturalistic" science thinks. With an Omnipotent God, He could easily have said, "Let there be..." and there was.

The crux of the debate is really whether we (as humans) want to feel that there is no Supreme Authority; and therefore, no punishment for things that we know in our heart are wrong. A natural origin eliminates the "need" for God. A supernatural Origin means that we will be held accountable unless something has been done on our behalf i.e. Christ dying for our sins OR our good works outweighing our bad works (as is the case for all other religious beliefs.. and some christians -note, lower-case).

I often wonder why people celebrate New Years.

Cheers,

Lost

Some people actually believe that if you don't believe this and that and don't do something or other that you're going to spend eternity receiving unspeakable torture when the world ends, so, naturally, they don't want their fellow-man to fall ill to such a horrible fate.

(That one discounting the the fact that such monotheistic religions generally incourage if not require members to convert their fellow-man.)

Other people look back through history objectively and see all the horrible things that religion has lead to if not directly caused, and/or they are tired of seeing their fellow man turned so easily to livestock, so, naturally, they want to convince them to spend their oh-so-limited existence enjoying themselves to some extent rather than living a life of mediocrity because something better is promised to come only when it can not be proven that it will come and/or commit attrocities akin to those religion has thusfar lead people to commit.

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Curiosity, everybody wants to know shit and to know more than the next person.

quote:Originally posted by Adorkable:

Some people actually believe that if you don't believe this and that and don't do something or other that you're going to spend eternity receiving unspeakable torture when the world ends, so, naturally, they don't want their fellow-man to fall ill to such a horrible fate.

(That one discounting the the fact that such monotheistic religions generally incourage if not require members to convert their fellow-man.)

Other people look back through history objectively and see all the horrible things that religion has lead to if not directly caused, and/or they are tired of seeing their fellow man turned so easily to livestock, so, naturally, they want to convince them to spend their oh-so-limited existence enjoying themselves to some extent rather than living a life of mediocrity because something better is promised to come only when it can not be proven that it will come and/or commit attrocities akin to those religion has thusfar lead people to commit.





Funny that when you describe "such monotheistic religions", you word it as 'belief', but when you describe nonbelievers, you describe them as "objectively and see all the horrible things" but conveniently do not mention 'good' things that religions have done. Sounds amazingly objective to me [/sarcasm]

You forget that no (or very very few, don't nitpick) terrible things have been done in the name of non-belief. He's referring to terrible things caused by religion, not terrible things done by people who just happen to be religious. Where are the Atheism Crusades, eh?

Oh, you just had to open that can of worms.

So, before they get out.

Yes, there have been things you could technically call atheism crusades. Pseudo-Communists, otherwise known as communist Russia and China have killed people who fought against converting to the state religion, which was a form of atheism. They have also killed people for trying to spread their religion over the state one.

Although not technically the same as the Crusades since they didn't branch out into other countries and didn't have the full "convert or die" mentality (Allowing other religions to practice as long as it wasn't public or a "danger" to the state).

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I often wonder why people celebrate New Years.

Cheers,

Lost

Some people need an exscuse to drink.

quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:

Mankind at this point of our evoultion, do not know shit. And things we do know are further proof of how much we don't know. Any theory can be right about anything. Proven sciences now might be debunked in a 100 years.

People used to know the world was flat. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif).

quote:

We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment,

We are choosing to be here, right now. Hold on, stay inside...

This holy reality, this holy experience.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



Funny that when you describe "such monotheistic religions", you word it as 'belief', but when you describe nonbelievers, you describe them as "objectively and see all the horrible things" but conveniently do not mention 'good' things that religions have done. Sounds amazingly objective to me [/sarcasm]

If you're going to try and make blows, try and make sense too.