What makes you think that their is a god(s)?

IS it because your parents believed it or is it something else? Im just curious.

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Many people feel that life is too intricate and complex to arrive here by evolution and abiogenesis, regardless of the fact that this is just an example of argumentum ad ignorantiam. It's still a leading reason why people believe.

Yes, people tend to adhere to the same religion that there parents did. Or until they get to the teenage rebellious stage and try and rebel against the status quo. In which case if your parents are Christian you turn Wiccan. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Short answer, is that personally I dont believe in a god.

However theres a simple proof for something beyond the normal existing:

-something cannot come from nothing

-something exists

-therefore, something mustve been around forever

For the most part people who believe in a god effectively just choose to make that third something equal to whatever they think god is.

quote:Originally posted by DarkMage35:

Short answer, is that personally I dont believe in a god.

However theres a simple proof for something beyond the normal existing:

-something cannot come from nothing

-something exists

-therefore, something mustve been around forever

For the most part people who believe in a god effectively just choose to make that third something equal to whatever they think god is.



who says that somthing can't come from nothing?

Nothing does not exist, nothing can come from nothing, there must always be something, be it the void of space, be it god, be it whatever.

quote:Originally posted by bombtrack:



who says that somthing can't come from nothing?



The Laws of Physics?

How can something come from nothing? You can't make a house without wood can you?

This thread is a matter of opinion:

all answers are based on personal exp.

quote:Originally posted by The Happy Chemical:

The Laws of Physics?

How can something come from nothing? You can't make a house without wood can you?



The word nothing came from nothing. It even describes nothing, thus providing irrefutable evidence that there is a God, and as such YOU are going to Hell, immediately. Problem solved. Any other questions?

Yes, crazed_hamster has a question. Can some really hardcore atheist post a reading list of sorts, He's interested in exploring athiesm. He has no idea what he should believe and as such is conducting research as to what makes the most sense to a stoned mind. So far, he enjoys Alice in Wonderland (read it when you're high, damn good stuff) other than that, what can he read that gives a basic understanding of athiesm, besides saying that he doesn't believe in a God/G-d?

Good atheistic library. (http://tinyurl.com/b97fg)

Can anyone prove there is a God?

Can anyone prove that there isn't a God?

That's my dilemma, what's yours?

quote:Originally posted by browncloud:

Can anyone prove there is a God?

Can anyone prove that there isn't a God?

That's my dilemma, what's yours?

Burden of proof rests on the one making the claim.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."-- Carl Sagan

And there is no extraordinary evidence either way.

That much is true.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/

God is whatever got the ball rolling, whatever keeps the ball rolling, whatever keeps everything from dissapearing back into nothing, for the time being that is.

I think though that the core christian values are a good way to lead your life and treat others. Hell, and if that means I get presents for christmas, I'm in!

You'd be surprised at the number of non-believers who uphold good moral values without practicing religion.

quote:Originally posted by Pshycho Fraud:

What makes you think that their is a god(s)?

IS it because your parents believed it or is it something else? Im just curious.

I enjoy saying I believe in things that others don't just because it pisses them off.

When some weirdo comes up to you on CPW & 103 and they always do, just say you worship his divine shadow.

Talk about honor and ethics to the freakshow there and you really get them riled up. That one's no joke.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

You'd be surprised at the number of non-believers who uphold good moral values without practicing religion.

Religion makes it a lot easier though, while also giving real guidelines.

You'd be surprised what a lot of "non-believers" believe is moral.

There's too much evidence against the idea of a 'higher power' MATTERING to anyone. Those are my 2 cents.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Religion makes it a lot easier though, while also giving real guidelines.

You'd be surprised what a lot of "non-believers" believe is moral.

Easier for some. Not everyone requires a rulebook or set of written guidelines to know right from wrong.

(why does this feel like deja-vu?)

quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:

This thread is a matter of opinion:

all answers are based on personal exp.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Easier for some. Not everyone requires a rulebook or set of written guidelines to know right from wrong.

(why does this feel like deja-vu?)



Easier for most.

Higher power as in a jealous, bearded, blood sacrifice demanding, jew in the sky? NO.

The law of cause and effect, however, is actually demonstrable. Karma is our god, and while it doesn't demand you to repent or sacrifice doves or be snakebitten in Jesus' name, it does demand that you realize the consequences of good and evil before you can exit this earthly coil of suffering.

There is no doubt more believers than there are non-believers, if that's what you meant.

I believe in a higher power because -



I believe humans have instinct. Instinct is the one thing in our characteristics and blood type and the various traits within us that is irrefuteable. If so, surely there is something within us right away from birth that ties us together.

Christians call this the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

That instinct is being studied right now. From Dean Hamer's The God Gene:

The God gene refers to the idea that human spirituality has an innate genetic component to it. It doesn’t mean that there’s one gene that makes people believe in God, but it refers to the fact that humans inherit a predisposition to be spiritual--to reach out and look for a higher being.

Tufts University is about to release a paper by Daniel Dennett on that very thing. I can hardly wait until it's publicized.

I have absolutely no reason to belive in god, but when i say that i get scared that if there is a god, he is going to smite me. haha. Dilemma? i think so, what if i waste my life praying and preaching and not enjoying the good things, (sex lies and drugs)only to find out there is no pearly gates? or if i do those thigns and go straight to hell, i wont get a second chance, so if jesus christ was just a fake, im gonna be pissed i ever even questioned it, adn if hes not, im gonna smack every person who made me sin.

i believe in a close-to-pantheistic god

why? because it just makes sense to me

and i think that's the best reason that can be given to justify any religious belief

The Great Invisible Pink Unicorn makes sense to me, too. I mean, it just "feels" right, deep down in here. *rubs stomach*

quote:Originally posted by The Happy Chemical:

The Laws of Physics?

How can something come from nothing? You can't make a house without wood can you?



The "Laws of Physics" are only as good as the universe, and the qualities/charasteristics it contains therein.

The universe being discussed in the begin of time is much more different than what we see today.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

[B You'd be surprised what a lot of "non-believers" believe is moral.[/B]

I could say the same thing about what a lot of "believers" seem to think is moral. Just because they say one thing about how one should live doesn't mean that they practice it or even attempt to.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

The Great Invisible Pink Unicorn makes sense to me, too. I mean, it just "feels" right, deep down in here. *rubs stomach*

works for me, so long as you aren't trying to convert me to invisible pink unicornism

p.s. how can something invisible be pink?

quote:Originally posted by Pshycho Fraud:

I could say the same thing about what a lot of "believers" seem to think is moral. Just because they say one thing about how one should live doesn't mean that they practice it or even attempt to.

I agree. Pat Robertson is a perfect example of what you're talking about. However, the numbers of these types of people will be higher with people who are not religious. They don't necessarily have to be atheistic or agnostic, just non religious.

quote:Originally posted by crazygoatemonky:

works for me, so long as you aren't trying to convert me to invisible pink unicornism

p.s. how can something invisible be pink?

The logical fallacy in their sorry excuse for a faith! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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AngryFemme said:

quote:You'd be surprised at the number of non-believers who uphold good moral values without practicing religion.

I would imagine christian morals rub off, even onto athiests, religion for the most part is the foundation of morality.

I believe that even if I have a difficult time accepting a God, but maybe there is a God.

JESUS CHRIST...I don't know!!!

I believe in a higher power because science has been unable to explain the start of the big bang(the singularity), and the fact why scientists havent found any other intelligent life.