This isn't really about debate, who or what you worship, holy texts, or refuting anything.

I was just curious as to what your ancestors would've worshipped.

For example, if you are of Scandinavian descent, chances are your ancestors worshipped the [Norse] Aesir/Vanir.

My ancient ancestors were the Aztecs, and worshipped Quetzacoatl, Citlalicue, Xolotl, etc. (I'm not sure of the name of their pantheon)

You're Mexican? Probably lotta Spanish in you then, right?

Anyway... who'd the Germans worship? I guess if you go far enough back you get into those ancient Teutonic religions, but for a long time they've been Christian.

Definitely the Aesir. Viking all the way!

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

You're Mexican? Probably lotta Spanish in you then, right?

Anyway... who'd the Germans worship? I guess if you go far enough back you get into those ancient Teutonic religions, but for a long time they've been Christian.

I've got a lot of different ethnicities in my blood. Then again, who doesn't? I used those gods simply because I am 50% Mexican, then several other ethnic peoples from my father's side.

I was born and raised in Indiana though.

I'm Jewish, so my ancestors literally just worshipped god - unless you want to go all the way back to when they were Ethiopians. But, if I go back that far, we all have to go back that far.

Cheers,

Lost

The Celtic gods is the closest I could think of.

My maternal ancestors were Houma Indians.

The Houma were once practicers of the flattened heads custom but this died out in the 1700s. They mostly worshipped the sun and earth. Nature was their God. Today they'd be called Pantheists.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Definitely the Aesir. Viking all the way!



Valhalla is all around you.

Sadly, being a mutt american, I have only minimal knowedge of my ancestors. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif) I guess the bright side is that I'm not burdened with the legacy of their choices. Aesir and the Celtic pantheon are definitely there, at least. Nature worship is also a pretty safe choice.

Odin/Woadin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I'm Jewish, so my ancestors literally just worshipped god - unless you want to go all the way back to when they were Ethiopians. But, if I go back that far, we all have to go back that far.

Cheers,

Lost

I suppose I could go further back to the Olmecs or Toltecs. Then again, many of the gods of the Aztecs were taken from these [even more] ancient groups.

quote:Originally posted by Goat Saint:

I suppose I could go further back to the Olmecs or Toltecs. Then again, many of the gods of the Aztecs were taken from these [even more] ancient groups.



Well, okay then. Judaism originated in Ethiopia. They believed that there was a promised land in North Africa. So, there was a pilgrimage up north, where they were enslaved by the Egyptians. As slaved for the Egyptians they were no longer able to practice their own religion (which defeated the point of the pilgrimage) and eventually created a bastardized version of their own religion that was enough like the Egyptian religion. Much like how the christians turned the pagans Catholic.

But, before the pilgrimage and before Judaism was discovered/created there were several different Ethiopian tribes that all believed different things. Most of them were pagan, but many of them believed in a central god that controlled several smaller demi gods. Original judaism was very non-god centric. Instead of having a god with a gender and a name and a face, it supposed that god was more like a force of nature, an all emcompassing thing. Elohim.

Major demi gods of early Ethiopian tribes included the sun god and the moon goddess. They were the most powerfull ones. Then there was the littlier fire gods that worked for the sun god and the water gods who worked for the moon goddess. They all had different personalities and countless stories just as meaningfull and prophetic as any stories found in the bible today.

Cheers,

Lost

Fascinating...

My ancestral gods are those of Rome unfortunately no one takes them seriously anymore so they all died.

I have a special fondness for Apollo who my true name was inspired by.

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Mine worshipped the likes of Perun and Svarog.

That is Slavic mythology.

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quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:



Anyway... who'd the Germans worship? I guess if you go far enough back you get into those ancient Teutonic religions, but for a long time they've been Christian.

I understand many Germans rocked Odin as well. They called him Wod, or Wotan.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

I understand many Germans rocked Odin as well. They called him Wod, or Wotan.

Many Germanic warfaring/nomadic tribes worshipped the Aesir. In fact, for a time Nordic religion was fairly widespread through parts of Europe and Scandinavia.

Although, like many religions, the Nordic was in some aspects a spinoff of the Olympians.

Here in estonia, the original religion used to worship a Good named Taara and all kinds of nature spirits, but that was before the (mostly german) crusaders came...

Corect me if i'm wrong...

Ahhh I got some German in me, so there's that. Also rumoured a trace of Judaism in my family - both on my mothers side. On the other side... probably the Norse gods or Roman ones!

Danish with a bit of Jewish blood.

So, the Norse Gods, then probably Lutheranism(since it was forced on all Danes,) and a few ancestors who observed the mitzvots.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

I understand many Germans rocked Odin as well. They called him Wod, or Wotan.

Now I know what half my ancestors worshiped.

The other half would've worshiped the Roman gods. (Going back far enough)

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Well, okay then. Judaism originated in Ethiopia. They believed that there was a promised land in North Africa. So, there was a pilgrimage up north, where they were enslaved by the Egyptians. As slaved for the Egyptians they were no longer able to practice their own religion (which defeated the point of the pilgrimage) and eventually created a bastardized version of their own religion that was enough like the Egyptian religion. Much like how the christians turned the pagans Catholic.

But, before the pilgrimage and before Judaism was discovered/created there were several different Ethiopian tribes that all believed different things. Most of them were pagan, but many of them believed in a central god that controlled several smaller demi gods. Original judaism was very non-god centric. Instead of having a god with a gender and a name and a face, it supposed that god was more like a force of nature, an all emcompassing thing. Elohim.

Major demi gods of early Ethiopian tribes included the sun god and the moon goddess. They were the most powerfull ones. Then there was the littlier fire gods that worked for the sun god and the water gods who worked for the moon goddess. They all had different personalities and countless stories just as meaningfull and prophetic as any stories found in the bible today.

Cheers,

Lost

and another one of those tribes still exists , known as followers of King hallie sallassie II , a decendant of sheba and solomon , the lion of the conquering tribe of judah . Yep you guessed it the rastafarians , unfortunately them rastas dont get no respect no more , nothing more than known for pot and dreadlocks . Ah well back to the point , celtic gods , however I have a sneaking suspicion that one of my more recent ancestors might have had a sexual run in with an australian aboriginie (I'm half australian) that maybe produced my great grand father or great great grand father because lots of people say that because of my hair and other features I look like I have "a touch of the tar" . Or it could have been a run in with a black fellow or something . Shit I dunno .

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I fucking DARE you to prove that the Rastafarians are in any way the descendents of ANY tribe of Israel.

Shit, my father's crackpot theory that the Tribe of Dan sailed north and landed at Jutland to become the Danes is more logical than that bull.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I fucking DARE you to prove that the Rastafarians are in any way the descendents of ANY tribe of Israel.

Shit, my father's crackpot theory that the Tribe of Dan sailed north and landed at Jutland to become the Danes is more logical than that bull.

the rastafarians them selves arent they are only folowers of that tribe but hallie salassie was because he wouldnt have been king if he wasnt and the original ethiopian rastafarians were from that tribe because ethiopia was where the tribes originated . I have to check some reasources but I'll come back with the name of the tribe .

EDIT: there wasnt much information but since hallie sallassie was called the lion of the tribe of judah I'm assuming thats where they are from or beleive they are from . I'd also like to say that even though I'm not a rasta , I gotta say it probably makes more sence than most other religions I've investigated .

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quote:Originally posted by jesusfan:



the rastafarians them selves arent they are only folowers of that tribe but hallie salassie was because he wouldnt have been king if he wasnt

Oh, really? Why's that?

See, I think he would have been king if his father was king, and HIS father was king, and HIS father was a warlord that took control of the land. Just like any other king. They're not ordained by God, they're just the top dog.

quote: and the original ethiopian rastafarians were from that tribe because ethiopia was where the tribes originated .

Wrong. Try the Fertile Crescent.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

oh, really? Why's that?

See, I think he would have been king if his father was king, and HIS father was king, and HIS father was a warlord that took control of the land. Just like any other king. They're not ordained by God, they're just the top dog.



I'm not saying he was ordained by god because he's king but because there was something that supposedly prophisised his coming in the bible (and marcus garvey also prophisesed a african saviour) and he was the 225th in the unbroken bloodline from the the child of king solomon and the queen of sheba .

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Wrong. Try the Fertile Crescent.

really could you please explain this to me , I'm not going to pretend I know everything about this shit but I thought as lostcause said the jews migrated from ethiopia to egypt where they were kept in bondage .

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really could you please explain this to me , I'm not going to pretend I know everything about this shit but I thought as lostcause said the jews migrated from ethiopia to egypt where they were kept in bondage .

No, the story(as far as the Bible goes) is that the sons of Abraham put their stake in the land of Canaan, in the Fertile Crescent. They ended up heading over to Egypt, where they eventually ended up as slaves to the Egyptians, before Moses went and set them free, whereupon they wandered around for quite a few years before ending up back in Canaan again.

And I really wouldn't trust what somebody like Marcus Garvey said at face value.

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quote:Originally posted by Goat Saint:

Although, like many religions, the Nordic was in some aspects a spinoff of the Olympians.



A spinoff ? Care to explain ?

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

You're Mexican? Probably lotta Spanish in you then, right?

Anyway... who'd the Germans worship? I guess if you go far enough back you get into those ancient Teutonic religions, but for a long time they've been Christian.



Germanic people had greatly varied tribal religions, based their faith in nature more than anything else. If you're of German decent like I am then odds are you ancestors could have worshipped a huge variety of gods, most of which had some role in nature though.

I'm not sure exactly when they started becoming christians though, probably at least not until the Ancient romans did...

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

No, the story(as far as the Bible goes) is that the sons of Abraham put their stake in the land of Canaan, in the Fertile Crescent. They ended up heading over to Egypt, where they eventually ended up as slaves to the Egyptians, before Moses went and set them free, whereupon they wandered around for quite a few years before ending up back in Canaan again.

And I really wouldn't trust what somebody like Marcus Garvey said at face value.

well marcus didnt say a religious savior but he said someone who would free the blacks from the constrainghts of of the white power structure but I think that was more of a wish than a prophecy . also where is the fertile crecent ? I've heard of it but never knew exactly where it was .

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

A spinoff ? Care to explain ?



The theory is that the As and the Van were tribes that left Troy and settled Scandanavia. There's at least some backing for it.

for me, some puritan (british folks, came over on the mayflower), catholic and i think celtic before that (irish), and some german tribal gods

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Asians did ancestor worship first. Then confucianism, then buddhism.

As far as Vietnamese mythology, we were descended from the king dragon (Lac Long Houng) and the fairy queen (Au Co).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zues

Best of both worlds,woot!

That means I can do both tarot & runestones!Double yeah!!!!

I'm a muttigree of Meditteranean & Western Europe,so that's to my safe guess it was then.

Shinto/Aesir is probably closest matching to my mix.

^ I think that's the strangest mix I've read so far.

Strange, but cool.

quote:Originally posted by AngrySquirrel:

Shinto/Aesir is probably closest matching to my mix.

Thats an awesome mix.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Asians did ancestor worship first. Then confucianism, then buddhism.

You forgot Taoism. And aren't you talking specifically about Chinese rather than Asians ?

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

You forgot Taoism. And aren't you talking specifically about Chinese rather than Asians ?



I believe he's Vietnamese. In most cases, it'd be a bad idea to call a Vietnamese a Chinese.

That's just from my personal experiences.

Tha majority of my ancestors worshipped the Greco-Roman Gods & Goddesses. But some of my ancestors on my mother's side worshipped Teutonic and Celtic Gods.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I believe he's Vietnamese. In most cases, it'd be a bad idea to call a Vietnamese a Chinese.

I know he said he is half Vietnamese, but he is talking about Confucianism and I didn't think Confucianism was practised elsewhere than in China, but I might be wrong about that.

quote:Originally posted by Garibaldi:

Tha majority of my ancestors worshipped the Greco-Roman Gods & Goddesses. But some of my ancestors on my mother's side worshipped Teutonic and Celtic Gods.

How do you actually know that ? Maybe they were closet cult followers who worshipped demons and devils, or the nature spirits or whatever...

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

I know he said he is half Vietnamese, but he is talking about Confucianism and I didn't think Confucianism was practised elsewhere than in China, but I might be wrong about that.



It was only official in China, but it was hugely influential in the entire region. Of course, the debate regarding Confucianism actually being a religion is indecisive.