Its kind of odd because in the bible its says something along the lines of "thou shalt not take no wine or strong drink" (I'm not exactly sure but something like that) and it also says that god created the trees , the animals and the "herb" to serve man .

Oh great, a pot head christian. I wonder, how long has "herb" been a term for marijuana? Next you will be telling us about how the christians had "pot"

To answer the question, most likely because the government says it's evil, dangerous and illegal. People who are likely to follow one authority without question are probably more likely to follow another authority without much question.

I know a lot of christians who smoke pot, most of them are teenagers granted, but christians nonetheless.

I'm not a christian , I chose the name out of irony . Also I dont mean herb being weed specificly , but marijuana is by definition an herb .

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

I know a lot of christians who smoke pot, most of them are teenagers granted, but christians nonetheless.

I'm talking about how its odd that the whole christian society is so against pot and doesnt care about alcohol but in the bible it actuality is against alcohol and for the use of herbs .

I don't really think the whole christian community is against pot.

I think they're against the harder drugs, but I think pot and alcohol will always be somewhat acceptable within the christian community.

quote:Originally posted by jesusfan:

Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

I know a lot of christians who smoke pot, most of them are teenagers granted, but christians nonetheless.

I'm talking about how its odd that the whole christian society is so against pot and doesnt care about alcohol but in the bible it actuality is against alcohol and for the use of herbs .



Ohhh bullshit it's against alcohol.

Jesus fucking drank Wine with his disciples.

The whole fucking communion thing is basically ritualized drinking of wine and eating of bread.

oh, and I'm pretty sure that your quote is from the Koran.

I remember reading something about avoiding drunkeness in the bible, but I cant remember which book, might have been Psalms.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:



Ohhh bullshit it's against alcohol.

Jesus fucking drank Wine with his disciples.

The whole fucking communion thing is basically ritualized drinking of wine and eating of bread.

well I dont remember exactly what it says but I'll find the quote .

"drink no wine nor strong drink" judges chapter 13 .

Judges 13

The Birth of Samson

1 Again the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the LORD, so the LORD delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for forty years.

2 A certain man of Zorah, named Manoah, from the clan of the Danites, had a wife who was sterile and remained childless. 3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, "You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son. 4 Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean, 5 because you will conceive and give birth to a son. No razor may be used on his head, because the boy is to be a Nazirite, set apart to God from birth, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hands of the Philistines."

6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, "A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn't ask him where he came from, and he didn't tell me his name. 7 But he said to me, 'You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death.' "

8 Then Manoah prayed to the LORD : "O LORD, I beg you, let the man of God you sent to us come again to teach us how to bring up the boy who is to be born."

9 God heard Manoah, and the angel of God came again to the woman while she was out in the field; but her husband Manoah was not with her. 10 The woman hurried to tell her husband, "He's here! The man who appeared to me the other day!"

11 Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the one who talked to my wife?"

"I am," he said.

12 So Manoah asked him, "When your words are fulfilled, what is to be the rule for the boy's life and work?"

13 The angel of the LORD answered, "Your wife must do all that I have told her. 14 She must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, nor drink any wine or other fermented drink nor eat anything unclean. She must do everything I have commanded her."

15 Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, "We would like you to stay until we prepare a young goat for you."

16 The angel of the LORD replied, "Even though you detain me, I will not eat any of your food. But if you prepare a burnt offering, offer it to the LORD." (Manoah did not realize that it was the angel of the LORD.)

17 Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the LORD, "What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?"

18 He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding. [a] " 19 Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and sacrificed it on a rock to the LORD. And the LORD did an amazing thing while Manoah and his wife watched: 20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD.

22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"

23 But his wife answered, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this."

24 The woman gave birth to a boy and named him Samson. He grew and the LORD blessed him, 25 and the Spirit of the LORD began to stir him while he was in Mahaneh Dan, between Zorah and Eshtaol.

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a text out of context is a pretext for failure

Samson was mostly like a Nazirite, part of which meant abstaining from fermented... anything...

For the OP- mostly i think the non-pot smoking is probably just a cultural thing. i.e. its something considered deviant in many parts of western culture, which overflows into xianity.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Judges 13

The Birth of Samson

1 Again the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the LORD, so the LORD delivered them into the hands of the Philistines for forty years.

2 A certain man of Zorah, named Manoah, from the clan of the Danites, had a wife who was sterile and remained childless. 3 The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, "You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son. 4 Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean, 5 because you will conceive and give birth to a son. No razor may be used on his head, because the boy is to be a Nazirite, set apart to God from birth, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hands of the Philistines."

6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, "A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn't ask him where he came from, and he didn't tell me his name. 7 But he said to me, 'You will conceive and give birth to a son. Now then, drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from birth until the day of his death.' "

8 Then Manoah prayed to the LORD : "O LORD, I beg you, let the man of God you sent to us come again to teach us how to bring up the boy who is to be born."

9 God heard Manoah, and the angel of God came again to the woman while she was out in the field; but her husband Manoah was not with her. 10 The woman hurried to tell her husband, "He's here! The man who appeared to me the other day!"

11 Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the one who talked to my wife?"

"I am," he said.

12 So Manoah asked him, "When your words are fulfilled, what is to be the rule for the boy's life and work?"

13 The angel of the LORD answered, "Your wife must do all that I have told her. 14 She must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, nor drink any wine or other fermented drink nor eat anything unclean. She must do everything I have commanded her."

15 Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, "We would like you to stay until we prepare a young goat for you."

16 The angel of the LORD replied, "Even though you detain me, I will not eat any of your food. But if you prepare a burnt offering, offer it to the LORD." (Manoah did not realize that it was the angel of the LORD.)

17 Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the LORD, "What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?"

18 He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding. [a] " 19 Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and sacrificed it on a rock to the LORD. And the LORD did an amazing thing while Manoah and his wife watched: 20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD.

22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"

23 But his wife answered, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this."

24 The woman gave birth to a boy and named him Samson. He grew and the LORD blessed him, 25 and the Spirit of the LORD began to stir him while he was in Mahaneh Dan, between Zorah and Eshtaol.



huh , I did a search for it on this bible website so I didnt see the context .

quote:Originally posted by jesusfan:

I'm not a christian , I chose the name out of irony . Also I dont mean herb being weed specificly , but marijuana is by definition an herb .

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum5/HTML/212002.html

It's not. And chances are back in the early christian days, opium, or whatever the fashionable drug was back then would have been used by religious men.

Marijuana is by definition a weed.

And I'd think most Christians today are against anything that fucks up your head and your life. Excess in alcohol, excess in ganja, excess in any drug just fucks you over.

I don't think they're big fans of self-destruction.

actually, if you want to get technical about it, the female plant, and the part you smoke are labeled 'flowers', i wonder if it applies to the males aswell.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Marijuana is by definition a weed.



weed is a subjective term. it all depends on your location and goals. it does grow naturally in central asia quite happily where it is anything but a weed.

it is a herb, just like sage and corriander.

but i would be willing to bet that cannabis was relatively unknown in the middle east for a long time, and it only became a western drug the begining of the century.

"I don't think they're big fans of self-destruction."

i would argue that. denile of natural urges and desires is the simplest form of self destruction. but that is for another thread.

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

weed is a subjective term. it all depends on your location and goals. it does grow naturally in central asia quite happily where it is anything but a weed.

Dude, it grows naturally anywhere conditions won't kill it. It's a weed. My dad used to have to pick the fucking things out of his backyard when he lived in Iowa as a kid.

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quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Oh great, a pot head christian. I wonder, how long has "herb" been a term for marijuana? Next you will be telling us about how the christians had "pot"

To answer the question, most likely because the government says it's evil, dangerous and illegal. People who are likely to follow one authority without question are probably more likely to follow another authority without much question.

I think the point of the "herb" thing isn't that that's slang for marijuana. It's that marijuana is an herb, so if it says something about herbs in the bible that would also be including marijuana.

Cheers,

Lost

Considering weed is all natural, nontoxic, and (for most people) not addictive, alot of Christians I know aren't against it. I know of 3 Christians with cancer who smoke/eat it. I myself (although I'm not a very 'good' Christian) used to smoke on a daily basis. Marijuana isn't bad itself, it's when people abuse it and it takes away from their life that it is bad (and even then it's not the drug, it's the people).

quote:Originally posted by Zonko:

Originally posted by jesusfan:

I'm not a christian , I chose the name out of irony . Also I dont mean herb being weed specificly , but marijuana is by definition an herb .

http:/ /www.totse .com/bbs/F orum5/HTML/212002.html (http: //www.tots e.com/bbs/ Forum5/HTM L/212002.h tml)

It's not. And chances are back in the early christian days, opium, or whatever the fashionable drug was back then would have been used by religious men. if you actually read that thread you would see that the conclusion is that it is an herb .

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Dude, it grows naturally anywhere conditions won't kill it. It's a weed.

all plants will grow somewhere that won't kill them. look up the definition of a weed and tell me its not a subjective term.

grrrrr i hate questions like these, YOUR BIBLE IS THERE IN THE BOOKPLACE FOR A REASON - OPEN IT! The bible says a little bit of wine (alcohol) makes the heart rejoice, but as for exessive amounts of alcohol is bad. For manyt reasons the most likely reasons are that getting drunk alot is bad for your health along with smoking weed, and they both alter your mind which you use to think about god constanly.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

I remember reading something about avoiding drunkeness in the bible, but I cant remember which book, might have been Psalms.

its all over, paul wrote about is (forgot where) "drunkards will not inherit gods kingdom)

Because some (meaning, well, most) of the Christians I've met are some of the biggest hypocrytes on the planet. They say sex before marriage is wrong, but yet they cheat on their husbands or wives. They say marijuana is polluting you body, but then go smoke a pack of cigarettes and eat bacon cheese burgers 4 days a week.

I actually went to a sermon about 5 years ago (my best friend's family are Christians) where the pastor was literally screaming about the sin of drinking alcohol..My friend's father was standing next to me yelling "Amen!" and things about the "That is the word of God", but then after we went home, we went to a cookout...Where him and all of his "Good Christian friends" sat around and drank beer after beer.

This was also the same guy who tried to give my dad Girls Gone Wild tapes.

Edit: Typo.



[This message has been edited by Miffy (edited 09-12-2005).]

Because they are hypocrits. Deal with it. Nearly everyone is a hypocrit. Whether you say you are or arent, you are.