"thou shalt not kill"

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The commandment Thou shalt not kill is usually taken to mean murder, not justified killing such as self-defense or fighting in a war. So if a soldier killed someone in a war it would not be considered a violation of the 5th commandment.

"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein

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so a saint can go to hell then? dont forget that lots of crusaders were made saints, and all crusaders did was kill, rape and pillage.

If you use the American Fundy rules only one action a person takes or does not take has any real conciquences.

quote:Originally posted by darth_vector:

so a saint can go to hell then? dont forget that lots of crusaders were made saints, and all crusaders did was kill, rape and pillage.

no because hell doesn't exist

and 2, a person's god usually tends to hate the same people that person does

quote:Originally posted by everything and nothing:

"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein



Since when has Einstein been a godlike figure?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Since when has Einstein been a godlike figure?

Since E=MC^2 became cool.

When you end another's life whether in the wake of war or the back ally of a street it is murder. But society has been raised to think it acceptable to kill if threatened. I dont speak for all of society theres always another part of it.

quote:no because hell doesn't exist

i agree, im an atheist. but suppose it does for the sake of argument.

quote:Originally posted by iSoape:

When you end another's life whether in the wake of war or the back ally of a street it is murder. But society has been raised to think it acceptable to kill if threatened. I dont speak for all of society theres always another part of it.

With that logic, then, who would be alive to prosecute? If law abiding citizens cannot kill anyone, self defense or not, then no law abiders would be alive.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? No wonder people say natural selction is dead...

There are ways to protect yourself without killing someone. I dont think the first commandment leaves any room for doubt.

you are not forced to go to war. even if their is a consricption, you can either: go to jail or flee from the country.

quote:you are not forced to go to war. even if their is a consricption, you can either: go to jail or flee from the country.

You make a big assumption and from it I assume you are from the US. If your country is invaded you also have two choices: 1) fight, 2) sit back and die

fleeing is rarely an option and usually involves leaving your loved ones to die.

quote:Originally posted by TheLaUghiNgHeretic:

There are ways to protect yourself without killing someone. I dont think the first commandment leaves any room for doubt.

God give lots of acceptable reasons for killing people. Read Exodous.

Furthermore, there is such a thing as Christian soldiers.

If they were devout Christians, they could "murder" 1,000 muslims and still ascend after death.

dont you idiots think that maybe you should look at the thousands of contradictions on this sort of thing and stop wasting your lives believing some retarded story book

Amen god is dead. I killed jesus on the cross and will do it again.

the act of killing is a pritty normal thing

quote:Originally posted by danreil:

The commandment Thou shalt not kill is usually taken to mean murder, not justified killing such as self-defense or fighting in a war. So if a soldier killed someone in a war it would not be considered a violation of the 5th commandment.

In what part of the bible is war justified?

i dont know if it is or not... but below the 5th commandment does it say

Thou shalt not kill.*



*exceptions to self defense and war



I do not believe so, so once again what is really intended by the bible is left up to the discretion of the reader...

quote:Originally posted by moogoesoi:

I do not believe so, so once again what is really intended by the bible is left up to the discretion of the reader...

A lot of people think that the bible is an instruction manual. However, I believe you can safely break all 10 commandments and still find favour with God. In the bible several people do it.

The way to do so is to advocate God, advance Gods temporal interests, pray to God, be obedient to God, an promise never to do anything bad ever again(the best place to do this is while lying on ones death bed).

Look at how deBorgia did it, and he became Pope (gods main man on earth icyww).

Also preparing your soul for the kingdom of heaven also.

Real power is only taken by killing, like how that Joshua guy did it.

Edit: Jesus once said: There is more happiness over 100 righeous men who repent, than 1 wise man entering the kingdom of heaven.



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quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

"thou shalt not kill"

pretty black and white

All sins are equal. All sins can be forgiven if you confess them. Except 2. Which is using God's name in vain. I don't mean like saying God damn it. I mean if you go around kill someone under the name of God. The second one that is unforgiveable is if he try's to enter your life and you ignore him.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

With that logic, then, who would be alive to prosecute? If law abiding citizens cannot kill anyone, self defense or not, then no law abiders would be alive.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? No wonder people say natural selction is dead...

i have hated you since the day i came to totse. that is such a ridiculously ignorant american viewpoint. dont you understand that christians go to heaven when they die you stupid fuck. you control what you do and if someone else kills you so be it you live shorter and go to heaven or you can choose to kill them and go to hell. viewing death as such a negative is just plain stupid.

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

"thou shalt not kill"

pretty black and white

Indeed. Killing is killing under any circumstances. Under "Jihad", "war", or a "crusade", if you kill, then you murder.

quote:Originally posted by danreil:

The commandment Thou shalt not kill is usually taken to mean murder,

Indeed, in fact, kill is actually a mistranslation from the hebrew word for murder if I'm not mistaken.



quote:Originally posted by danreil:



not justified killing such as self-defense or fighting in a war. So if a soldier killed someone in a war it would not be considered a violation of the 5th commandment.

Killing as a means of self-defence and punishment for murder are fine. War can be considered a means of self-defence. In such a case and only in such a case war is justified.



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quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Since when has Einstein been a godlike figure?

At the same time as all the dead americans people constantly quote, like ben franklin and shit.

I care a lot more about what einstein has to say.

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

dont you idiots think that maybe you should look at the thousands of contradictions on this sort of thing and stop wasting your lives believing some retarded story book

quote:Originally posted by Issue313:

Look at how deBorgia did it, and he became Pope (gods main man on earth icyww).



Yes because God chooses the pope.

I dont know why any one now days actually thinks there going to heaven. Your not.

Even your fricken priests are child molesters.

It doesnt say "thou shalt not murder", or "though shalt not kill unless it's during war", it says "though shalt not kill", plain and fucking simple.

NiggersWithAttitude might have a confrontational way of posting, but he's still right. There is no leeway to this law, and all of you trying to argue otherwise are just scrambling for excuses and weak interpretations. Just admit it.

quote: Indeed, in fact, kill is actually a mistranslation from the hebrew word for murder if I'm not mistaken.

Well, this changes things. Still, confusing laws like this make me glad I don't belong to any specific religion.

Now that I think about it, since murder by definition is unlawful, this commandment is fucked up. If a government starts killing of a group of people that live under it's laws that's ok, but the people could only defend themselves without killing anybody? If you really think about it, this commandment justifies every german jew killed in the holocaust. I'm partly playing the devils advocate here, but I still have a point.



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