Proof of the Meaningless of Meaning

There is no higher being. Many may strongly disagree with me on this, but this is what i believe.

To understand anything i have to say from this point on you must understand that no matter how hard we try humans cannot understand infinity or the fact that something can't end. Also you must know that we as humans try to understand everything in and around us.

Early humans did not know anything about the world around them when they could first comprehend it, so due to human nature it needed to be explained. This lead to the creation of beliefs that there is a higher being or beings controling everything and anything. Religon is the result of lesser intelligence and knowlege.

What I really believe is happening is that everything is based completly on the fact that nothing is perfect. If everything was perfect humans would not exist, planets would not exist, even time. If everything was perfect nothing would move and everything would still be a mass in the infinite plain that is the universe.

By me saying this your probably wondering how can time possibly not exist. This I will explain. I will start this by asking what is time?

By simple definition you could say that time is a sequence of events that never ends. This is truly false because in order for change to occur energy must have been transfered at one point or another, and in order for energy to be transfered it would need to be started by an uneven force. But since the universe is perfect everything is even and nothing would happen.

Time is the uneven force that controlls everything. With time there is energy and with energy there is movement. Movement leads to probability, and with probability there is chance for different outcomes. I believe in the big bang theory, and if there is probability then that means just one speck of change could cause massive amounts more.

Many people argue today that time is the 4th dimension, and I myself believe it is. Though using the term of time is completly incorect to use unless your measuring change, so it should correctly be called momentum transfered energy. This is so because in order for any mass to have energy it would have to recieve it from something else which is also the way momentum works.

By now your probably wondering whats all this have to do with a greater force existing or not. That is simply to explain if time (momentum transfered energy) is the 4th dimension. It proves that a higher being did not create the universe.

According to many religions a higher being or beings created all that is, but how is this possible? If space is truly infinite then true is the fact that mass is also, and that it cannot be created because it always existed. How can something be created if it existed already?

Life itself is completly pointless because all it is is just one of the infinite number of results that can occur in the endless expanse known as the universe. Even though we ourselves as a form of life can try to understand this we never will. All we can do is just understand that we never will. Enjoy life as you will because it does not matter.

Not one person or even a group of billions of people can make a difference because difference is already happening every moment your breathing, seeing, feeling, or even after your dead. Nothing is relavent at all. Eventually in an uncomprehendable ammount of so called time everything and anything will all end up the same way anyways. Particles flying farther and farther away from eachother. Everything is infinite and so are the dimensions of length, width, depth, and time.

Through writting this I now see myself not as a creation at all, but simply a microscopic ever shrinking random drop in an infinite ocean abyss.



[This message has been edited by Sommers88 (edited 09-24-2005).]

Paragraphs. Nuff said.

Agreed. I'd like to read your post, but I can't decipher it with my bad eyesight. Paragraphs would be lovely.

quote:Originally posted by Sommers88:

Proof of the Meaningless of Meaning

There is no higher being. Many may strongly disagree with me on this, but this is what i believe.

To understand anything i have to say from this point on you must understand that no matter how hard we try humans cannot understand infinity or the fact that something can't end. Also you must know that we as humans try to understand everything in and around us.

Early humans did not know anything about the world around them when they could first comprehend it, so due to human nature it needed to be explained. This lead to the creation of beliefs that there is a higher being or beings controling everything and anything. Religon is the result of lesser intelligence and knowlege.

What I really believe is happening is that everything is based completly on the fact that nothing is perfect. If everything was perfect humans would not exist, planets would not exist, even time. If everything was perfect nothing would move and everything would still be a mass in the infinite plain that is the universe.

By me saying this your probably wondering how can time possibly not exist. This I will explain. I will start this by asking what is time?

By simple definition you could say that time is a sequence of events that never ends. This is truly false because in order for change to occur energy must have been transfered at one point or another, and in order for energy to be transfered it would need to be started by an uneven force. But since the universe is perfect everything is even and nothing would happen.

Time is the uneven force that controlls everything. With time there is energy and with energy there is movement. Movement leads to probability, and with probability there is chance for different outcomes. I believe in the big bang theory, and if there is probability then that means just one speck of change could cause massive amounts more.

Many people argue today that time is the 4th dimension, and I myself believe it is. Though using the term of time is completly incorect to use unless your measuring change, so it should correctly be called momentum transfered energy. This is so because in order for any mass to have energy it would have to recieve it from something else which is also the way momentum works.

By now your probably wondering whats all this have to do with a greater force existing or not. That is simply to explain if time (momentum transfered energy) is the 4th dimension. It proves that a higher being did not create the universe.

According to many religions a higher being or beings created all that is, but how is this possible? If space is truly infinite then true is the fact that mass is also, and that it cannot be created because it always existed. How can something be created if it existed already?

Life itself is completly pointless because all it is is just one of the infinite number of results that can occur in the endless expanse known as the universe. Even though we ourselves as a form of life can try to understand this we never will. All we can do is just understand that we never will. Enjoy life as you will because it does not matter.

Not one person or even a group of billions of people can make a difference because difference is already happening every moment your breathing, seeing, feeling, or even after your dead. Nothing is relavent at all. Eventually in an uncomprehendable ammount of so called time everything and anything will all end up the same way anyways. Particles flying farther and farther away from eachother. Everything is infinite and so are the dimensions of length, width, depth, and time.

Through writting this I now see myself not as a creation at all, but simply a microscopic ever shrinking random drop in an infinite ocean abyss.

My summary: A god cannot exist because the universe is not perfect.

I would change this to: A perfect god cannot exist because the universe is not perfect.

Trying to use a subjective word like 'perfect' in your argument was your biggest mistake.

There it is now in paragraphs

I disagree. You are implying that because the universe in infinite, everything is meaningless. I believe the opposite, because the universe is infinite, everything has great meaning. Why? The opposite of infinite is finite, meaning it has a conclusive ending. Whereas infinite, there is no conclusion, ever changing.

See the life of every being in the universe as a pebble falling into a pool. Should the pool be finite, with boundaries, the ripples eventually reach the boundaries, stopping. Every ripple of fallen pebbles would eventually reach the walls of the pool and the effect would end. In an infinite pool, the ripples never end. Even when the visible ripple has died down so your eyes cannot see it, the force of it still passes through the molecules, branching out changing the entire movement of the pool. Every fallen pebble ripples, affecting the pool for a long, long time.

Life is the same way. Your life has a ripple effect on the lives of everything around you. Every action you take or don't take in life affects the universe. Because we go through our lives affecting the lives of others, them affecting the lives of others, and so on, our ripples are as infinite as the universe is.

And God created imperfection. Why? Why and how would a perfect being create an imperfect universe? Because God is absolute perfection. To create another perfect being, it would be a being identical to himself. Thinking the same, knowing the same, the same power, the same ambitions, the same being. God, creating a perfect being, is just creating another reality of himself. Therefore the only way for God to create something different from himself is to create that which is imperfect.

quote:Originally posted by Sommers88:

Proof of the Meaningless of Meaning

There is no higher being. Many may strongly disagree with me on this, but this is what i believe.

To understand anything i have to say from this point on you must understand that no matter how hard we try humans cannot understand infinity or the fact that something can't end. Also you must know that we as humans try to understand everything in and around us.

Early humans did not know anything about the world around them when they could first comprehend it, so due to human nature it needed to be explained. This lead to the creation of beliefs that there is a higher being or beings controling everything and anything. Religon is the result of lesser intelligence and knowlege.

What I really believe is happening is that everything is based completly on the fact that nothing is perfect. If everything was perfect humans would not exist, planets would not exist, even time. If everything was perfect nothing would move and everything would still be a mass in the infinite plain that is the universe.

By me saying this your probably wondering how can time possibly not exist. This I will explain. I will start this by asking what is time?

By simple definition you could say that time is a sequence of events that never ends. This is truly false because in order for change to occur energy must have been transfered at one point or another, and in order for energy to be transfered it would need to be started by an uneven force. But since the universe is perfect everything is even and nothing would happen.

Time is the uneven force that controlls everything. With time there is energy and with energy there is movement. Movement leads to probability, and with probability there is chance for different outcomes. I believe in the big bang theory, and if there is probability then that means just one speck of change could cause massive amounts more.

Many people argue today that time is the 4th dimension, and I myself believe it is. Though using the term of time is completly incorect to use unless your measuring change, so it should correctly be called momentum transfered energy. This is so because in order for any mass to have energy it would have to recieve it from something else which is also the way momentum works.

By now your probably wondering whats all this have to do with a greater force existing or not. That is simply to explain if time (momentum transfered energy) is the 4th dimension. It proves that a higher being did not create the universe.

According to many religions a higher being or beings created all that is, but how is this possible? If space is truly infinite then true is the fact that mass is also, and that it cannot be created because it always existed. How can something be created if it existed already?

Life itself is completly pointless because all it is is just one of the infinite number of results that can occur in the endless expanse known as the universe. Even though we ourselves as a form of life can try to understand this we never will. All we can do is just understand that we never will. Enjoy life as you will because it does not matter.

Not one person or even a group of billions of people can make a difference because difference is already happening every moment your breathing, seeing, feeling, or even after your dead. Nothing is relavent at all. Eventually in an uncomprehendable ammount of so called time everything and anything will all end up the same way anyways. Particles flying farther and farther away from eachother. Everything is infinite and so are the dimensions of length, width, depth, and time.

Through writting this I now see myself not as a creation at all, but simply a microscopic ever shrinking random drop in an infinite ocean abyss.





Too long/didn't read.

Listen kid, you better start changing your ways, for the God of Israel is a vengeful God, and won't tolerate your bullcrap.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

And God created imperfection. Why? Why and how would a perfect being create an imperfect universe? Because God is absolute perfection. To create another perfect being, it would be a being identical to himself. Thinking the same, knowing the same, the same power, the same ambitions, the same being. God, creating a perfect being, is just creating another reality of himself. Therefore the only way for God to create something different from himself is to create that which is imperfect.

Another being as perfect as God?

Satan!

Theres just one problem that I have w/ a higher power. In my case god, I am a greek orthodox church member, but back to the point. Did god(in my case) just decide "hey I wanna create something!" or did something create god/higher power?

I denounce the original poster's oratory as useless drivel. It doesn't even make any sense, ok? It's obviously just him trying to sound smart, or something. Just the title "Proof of the meaninglessness of meaning" should be a red light. Lame.