-Wow, it's literally been yrs since I started a thread here.-

Answers plz, What caused him to inherit the name?

Hey genius kidiot, Jews don't believe in Hell.

Satan was pissed off, because God told him to bow down to the first human made (Adam). But Satan was all like, "Nigga please, you made that cracka out of clay and you made me out of fire, I'm more gangsta than that bitch" and then God stomped Satan's ass out.

The name "Satan" translates directly to "Adversary". Satan disagreed with god and therefore became the adversary of the human race. However, the evil personality traits he inherited come from an ancient demi goddess: Angra Mainyu, mentioned in Zoroastroism.

O, and Jews don't believe in Hell and don't refer to Satan as Satan. They call him Lucifer.

Cheers,

Lost

I believe Loc Dogg's account of the story is actualy from Islam, and the title of this thread is addressed to Christians and Jews, not Muslims. But if you want to read about why Satan became known as Shaytan in Islam then read my reply which is the last one on the second page in this thread: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/004539.html

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quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Satan was pissed off, because God told him to bow down to the first human made (Adam). But Satan was all like, "Nigga please, you made that cracka out of clay and you made me out of fire, I'm more gangsta than that bitch" and then God stomped Satan's ass out.



I like it.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

if only it were true. Fire beats clay anyday in my book!

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

The name "Satan" translates directly to "Adversary". Satan disagreed with god and therefore became the adversary of the human race. However, the evil personality traits he inherited come from an ancient demi goddess: Angra Mainyu, mentioned in Zoroastroism.

O, and Jews don't believe in Hell and don't refer to Satan as Satan. They call him Lucifer.

Cheers,

Lost

No, lucifer is not a Jewish translation. And the equivilent of hell is Gehinnom or purgatory. Satan is really your evil inclincation. He is the one that entices you to evil and the one to prosecute you for doing that evil. It is not the devil in the sense a lot of you think of it. I have seen Satan spelled out in hebrew but I am not sure the literal translation.

Ryan

quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:



I like it.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

if only it were true. Fire beats clay anyday in my book!



The evil inclination (satan) has no free will. Man does which is exactly what gives man the potential to ascend over any angel.

quote:Originally posted by Nephtys-Ra:

Hey genius kidiot, Jews don't believe in Hell.Bitch, what the fuck are you talking about, until now I thought u had atleast one brain cell with an iota of wisdom, you just proved me wrong. Satan does not equal hell dumbass. Try again....

No one mentioned hell but you, and that's where you should go.

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Satan was pissed off, because God told him to bow down to the first human made (Adam). But Satan was all like, "Nigga please, you made that cracka out of clay and you made me out of fire, I'm more gangsta than that bitch" and then God stomped Satan's ass out.Satan and Lucifer ARE NOT the same beings, try again.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

The name "Satan" translates directly to "Adversary". Satan disagreed with god and therefore became the adversary of the human race. However, the evil personality traits he inherited come from an ancient demi goddess: Angra Mainyu, mentioned in Zoroastroism.

O, and Jews don't believe in Hell and don't refer to Satan as Satan. They call him Lucifer.

Cheers,

LostGet your facts str8, no they don't, and a-fucking-gain, I NEVER MENTIONED HELL. Try again.

Satan is a HEBREW FUCKING TERM, you ppl are depressingly dumb. http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif)

Again, LUCIFER AND SATAN ARE DIFFERENT INTITIES, SATAN IS FAR OLDER THAN LUCIFER AND TRUE JEWS KNOW THIS. TRY AGAINb....

For the record, I've never heard a knowledgable Jew refer to Satan as lucifer or vice versa.

Satan WAS NOT a fucking cherub, Lucifer WAS. Try again....

Lastly, I said NOTHING of hell, OYU idiots are the ones bringing up hell, Satan does NOT equal hell or vice versa.

Read and Ye shall find the Answer.

Wow, I got really pissed at LC.....

O well, will someone knowledgable PLZ answer the question, I'd like to know your opinions about the QUESTION. Which no one has yet to actually respond to.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Wow, I got really pissed at LC.....

O well, will someone knowledgable PLZ answer the question, I'd like to know your opinions about the QUESTION. Which no one has yet to actually respond to.

I think for the same reason that a rock was named a rock. There is some significance in the Hebrew letters that when permuted hold the spiritual light inside the object and can even form the object. A theory of Judaism is that while G-d spoke and permuted the letters everything became. For instance when G-d said "let there be light" His actually saying the words with his vast spiritual influence was what created the light. I hope that I am being clear enough.

Every Hebrew name has deep meaning which is why it was called the Holy Tongue. I don't have enough knowledge to tell you why Satan was named that but I did a quick search on AskMoses.com and here is a comment I found.



COMMENT:

Hebrew "soton": "evil inclination" or "spiritual impediment" Date Posted: Apr 28, 2005

The Bedtime Shema (and other prayers) include the use of the Hebrew word "soton" as "evil inclination" or "spiritual impediment", as in the phrase:

"v'hosayr soton mil'fonaynu umay-acharaynu" (Remove spiritual impediment from before us and from behind us".)

This is the same word "soton" which is used as a proper name, as in:

"Va-yomer Hashem el hasoton..." (Hashem said to the Satan")

Could you expand on the thought of Satan as not perhaps a "devil" as such, but as the greater sense of spiritual impediment which prevents us from becoming closer to G-d, and as the evil inclination which we must overcome, vs. the Christian (and others) thought of Satan as a being in his/it's own right?

END COMMENT.

I hope this helps. If not AskMoses.com or try Chabad.org

lol, thanx, intersting facts -see ppl its not so hard-.

But no that didn't help, Satan, like his brothers, had many angelic names before he was dubbed Satan (the satan/Satanial). There is a reason he is called the Accuser/adversary/Gods' adversary. You aren't just given that title out of no where.

Personally I think it was for two specific reasons, but I won't go into that, atleast not yet, after the fall he inherited another name along with Satan, Salamiel (and all its variations), which means "Poinsoned angel".

quote:Originally posted by ryanl:

No, lucifer is not a Jewish translation. And the equivilent of hell is Gehinnom or purgatory. Satan is really your evil inclincation. He is the one that entices you to evil and the one to prosecute you for doing that evil. It is not the devil in the sense a lot of you think of it. I have seen Satan spelled out in hebrew but I am not sure the literal translation.

Ryan

I said we call him Lucifer because we, who don't speak Hebrew any more do. Namely because we don't believe in him so he rarely comes up. At least that's how it was said to me in temple.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Wow, I got really pissed at LC.....

O well, will someone knowledgable PLZ answer the question, I'd like to know your opinions about the QUESTION. Which no one has yet to actually respond to.



Yea, and I don't get why, either, because I was simply illustrating. I wasn't accusing you of anything.

People are fucking wierd.

You should reread what I said. I mentioned where Satan got his name, what it means and that the personal attributes of Satan date back earlier than Judaism. Hence the mention of Angra Mainyu...

Cheers,

Lost

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Satan was pissed off, because God told him to bow down to the first human made (Adam). But Satan was all like, "Nigga please, you made that cracka out of clay and you made me out of fire, I'm more gangsta than that bitch" and then God stomped Satan's ass out.Satan and Lucifer ARE NOT the same beings, try again.



Actually they are. I looked into that. You have to realize the bible is prophecy and very spiritual. Jesus said, Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

There was a ruler titled Lucifer, that fell as well, but it was also talking about the Fall of Satan. In Fact, everything Isiah said was prophecy.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

That's prophetic.

Yes there was a ruler titled Lucifer, which did fall. But Lucifer (Satan) Did too.

Lucifer was a title given to the king of Babylon to denote his glory.

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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Actually they are. I looked into that. You have to realize the bible is prophecy and very spiritual. Jesus said, Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

There was a ruler titled Lucifer, that fell as well, but it was also talking about the Fall of Satan. In Fact, everything Isiah said was prophecy.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

That's prophetic.

Yes there was a ruler titled Lucifer, which did fall. But Lucifer (Satan) Did too.

Lucifer was a title given to the king of Babylon to denote his glory.



Actually, they AREN'T. Satan WAS NOT DESTROYED, Lucifer WAS.

Satan, NOT A CHERUB, Lucifer, CHERUB. Satan was born BEFORE Earth was made, Lucifer, born AFTER. Ha-Satan(The great chief) was/is The Prince/Chief of Angels, Lucifer was/is NOT. The Seraphim were THE HIGHEST order, cherubim are only SECOND in order, therefore, not one of them could have been in command of the angels, that rite goes to somone from an higher order. That's what the orders are for.

You REALLY need to re-research your findings, cause what you said is VERY wrong.

The things you've quoted don't even back up your claims, I can't for the life of me figure out why you posted them.

Just because Lucifer fell and so did Satan, does not mean the two are the same damned intities. AZAZEL, AMAROS, SATARIEL, SATAREL, AZRIEL, SHAMSHIEL,AZERIAL, SARIEL, all fell as well, so did an aray of other angels, THEY ARE NOT ONE IN THE SAME.

And here's a biggie, Lucifer's crime was because of the fact that he did NOT LIKE MANKIND, Satan's was because he like it a little too much, one a crime of pure hubris, the other a crime of LUST (for the daughters of mankind). They conflict, this one being couldn't be the culprit for both 'crimes'.

So for those of us who can't read Hebrew, what's the answer? What did Satan accuse God of? I'm curious but I lack the time to learn Hebrew and read everything to figure this out. Please enlighten us.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Actually they are. I looked into that. You have to realize the bible is prophecy and very spiritual. Jesus said, Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

There was a ruler titled Lucifer, that fell as well, but it was also talking about the Fall of Satan. In Fact, everything Isiah said was prophecy.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

That's prophetic.

Yes there was a ruler titled Lucifer, which did fall. But Lucifer (Satan) Did too.

Lucifer was a title given to the king of Babylon to denote his glory.



Actually, they AREN'T. Satan WAS NOT DESTROYED, Lucifer WAS.

Satan, NOT A CHERUB, Lucifer, CHERUB. Satan was born BEFORE Earth was made, Lucifer, born AFTER. Ha-Satan(The great chief) was/is The Prince/Chief of Angels, Lucifer was/is NOT. The Seraphim were THE HIGHEST order, cherubim are only SECOND in order, therefore, not one of them could have been in command of the angels, that rite goes to somone from an higher order. That's what the orders are for.

You REALLY need to re-research your findings, cause what you said is VERY wrong.

The things you've quoted don't even back up your claims, I can't for the life of me figure out why you posted them.

Just because Lucifer fell and so did Satan, does not mean the two are the same damned intities. AZAZEL, AMAROS, SATARIEL, SATAREL, AZRIEL, SHAMSHIEL,AZERIAL, SARIEL, all fell as well, so did an aray of other angels, THEY ARE NOT ONE IN THE SAME.

And here's a biggie, Lucifer's crime was because of the fact that he did NOT LIKE MANKIND, Satan's was because he like it a little too much, one a crime of pure hubris, the other a crime of LUST (for the daughters of mankind). They conflict, this one being couldn't be the culprit for both 'crimes'.

Where are you getting your info from? As far as I know, my Christian mythology says that Satan was upset that God raised Jesus over the other angels, thus he led a rebellion, took a third of the angels, got his ass kicked, jesus kicked him down to hell, he snuck out of hell, and for revenge, went to earth and corrupted man.

that's from paradise lost, btw.

Ah, whatever. You should go back to the Greek and Hebrew translations and stop believeing everything you read on the internet. It's kind of funny, how you get defensive when the truth is flashed before you. You should re-read what Lost Cause said.

Satan DOES mean adversary in Hebrew. In Greek it means Accuser. If you've read the bible you'll see in the bible where Lucifer is refered to as the 'Accuser of the brethern." Lucifer, is also commonly known as a believer's adversary, or enemy. It's all throughout the bible. Maybe I should define translation? The Scholars who translated the bible, did it to the best of their ability and also did it so they wouldn't offend the church.

Here is an example...

1.Hebrews 2:6-7 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

** In Verse seven you see, "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;" The word 'angels' right there is Elohim, meaing, Angels, or God. Right there it should have been tranlated, "Thou madest him a little lowers than Elohim, (God)."**

Also, Adonai is plural, meaning Lords. It isn't singular.

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God."

The OT never makes reference to Jesus, The Son of God, being with God in the beginning, but the NT does. The point came across Clear, when David said, "The Lord said to my Lord, sit you here at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."

I think If you really want truth, you'll look for it, and You'll go back to the orgin of where it came. Alot is lost in translation, some purposely for the sake of the religious, Catholic church.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Ah, whatever. You should go back to the Greek and Hebrew translations and stop believeing everything you read on the internet. It's kind of funny, how you get defensive when the truth is flashed before you. You should re-read what Lost Cause said.

Satan DOES mean adversary in Hebrew. In Greek it means Accuser. If you've read the bible you'll see in the bible where Lucifer is refered to as the 'Accuser of the brethern." Lucifer, is also commonly known as a believer's adversary, or enemy. It's all throughout the bible. Maybe I should define translation? The Scholars who translated the bible, did it to the best of their ability and also did it so they wouldn't offend the church.

Here is an example...

1.Hebrews 2:6-7 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

** In Verse seven you see, "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;" The word 'angels' right there is Elohim, meaing, Angels, or God. Right there it should have been tranlated, "Thou madest him a little lowers than Elohim, (God)."**

Also, Adonai is plural, meaning Lords. It isn't singular.

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God."

The OT never makes reference to Jesus, The Son of God, being with God in the beginning, but the NT does. The point came across Clear, when David said, "The Lord said to my Lord, sit you here at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."

I think If you really want truth, you'll look for it, and You'll go back to the orgin of where it came. Alot is lost in translation, some purposely for the sake of the religious, Catholic church.

Thank you, Shellz.

I don't know what Mettaligod is being such a douche. May be he's posting while drunk or something.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

The name "Satan" translates directly to "Adversary". Satan disagreed with god and therefore became the adversary of the human race. However, the evil personality traits he inherited come from an ancient demi goddess: Angra Mainyu, mentioned in Zoroastroism.

You already referred to Angra Mainyu (or Ahriman) as a female divinity once, about half a year ago. Yet a simple search with google will show that every entry refers to Angra Mainyu as male. What's your reason for doing this ?

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I said we call him Lucifer because we, who don't speak Hebrew any more do. Namely because we don't believe in him so he rarely comes up. At least that's how it was said to me in temple.

You clearly said "...Jews don't believe in Hell and don't refer to Satan as Satan. They call him Lucifer."

So who is "we" now ? The non-Hebrew speaking Jews ? That's not who you were talking about in your former post. And moreover, Hell is known by the jews as "Gehenna" unless I am wrong. Gehenna is the word used in the Old Testament AFAIK.