Im curious to see, with the winter approaching, how many people actually believe that Jesus was born on december 25.

or do u just participate in christmas to get gifts?

Gotta love the presents. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I think it's pretty widely known that Jesus was not born on December 25, but you don't have to celebrate a birthday on the exact date of birth. It's just a terribly bastardized day of remembrance for the birth of Jesus, though not actually occurring on the day of jesus' birth.

I think Christmas is now known more as day of well-being more than anything, it's not that Jesus is forgotten. But Christmas embodies the spirit of giving selflessly.

No it doesn't. It embodies presents and materialism. The idea of giving, but moreso receiving gifts has bastardized beyond repair the idea of giving selflessly that you so ideally talk about. Christmas is a sham right now. It's like Valentine's day minus the being invented by Hallmark.

I thought Valentine's Day comes from St. Valentine... granted it was marketed and screwed by corporations.

I guess I was a bit idealic, and I agree that mainly now Christmas has been 'bastardized' to the point where it's all about sell sell sell! But you can still have Christmas without presents and materialism.

The soup kitchens for the homeless...?

I'm not saying that there still isn't some selfless giving, but most of it has gone to the wayside.

The only reason Christmas is celibrated in winter is so people could not celabrate Christmas and the Solstice.

Pagan Beliefs Surrounding Christmas (http://tinyurl.com/atksn)

The one about Easter's a good read as well.

Christmas and Easter are for little children. The present-giving is a nice concept and makes for happy childhood memories. Alot of adults simply keep the tradition going because it's an extension to their childhood, and brings back the warmfuzzies of giving/receiving. Because giving and receiving is so highly regarded in our traditions, it makes sense that someone out there is going to profit from it. And since giving/receiving has morphed into such a materialistic gesture of actual items (presents) rather than just giving and receiving acts of goodwill and kindness (which doesn't cost a cent) - it makes why companies profit from it alot more forgiveable. Excessive, yes. But I don't look at it as ill intent on the side of the merchants. They are just meeting the demands of society.

yule 2.0... thats all it is + way too much commercialisum.

quote:Originally posted by john_deer:

Im curious to see, with the winter approaching, how many people actually believe that Jesus was born on december 25.

or do u just participate in christmas to get gifts?

The translation of Jewish calendar to ours puts his birthday around the end of September... somewhere next to mine. I suppose that would be nice to have Christmas and your birthday next to each other. Novelty x2 http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Nothing beats Dutch Christmas.

When the former Bishop of Turkey, along with 6-8 black men, occasionally kidnaps children to take them back to Spain.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

The translation of Jewish calendar to ours puts his birthday around the end of September... somewhere next to mine.



I thinks its also around late september/early october, thats when mine birthday is, save for about 2000 years http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Jesus probibly wasn't born on december 25th, infact some orthodox chrches celebrate january 6th, and I think it's been figued out that jesus was more likely born in the summer.

But that doesn't matter. We celebrate Jesus being born, something we could celebrate everyday, the date doesn't really matter.