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John 19

Jesus Sentenced to be Crucified

1Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. 2The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe 3and went up to him again and again, saying, "Hail, king of the Jews!" And they struck him in the face.

4Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews, "Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him." 5When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, "Here is the man!"

6As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!"

But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him."

7The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."

8When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9and he went back inside the palace. "Where do you come from?" he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10"Do you refuse to speak to me?" Pilate said. "Don´t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?"

11Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."

12From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jews kept shouting, "If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar."

13When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge´s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour.

"Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.

15But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!"

"Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.

"We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.

16Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.

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U.S. State Department Says New Testament Is "Anti-Semitic"?

U.S. State Department

Says New Testament

Is 'Anti-Semitic'?

By Rev. Ted Pike

9-13-5



Evangelical lovers of Israel would never believe that our government

could consider them anti-Semitic. Yet the U.S. State Department's new

"Department of Global Anti-Semitism" now defines anti-Semitism in a way

that makes Bible-believing Christians into anti-Semites. Here's how:

The State Department's 40-page Report on Global Anti-Semitism cites a

recent example of "anti-Semitism" in Poland. "...the pastor of St.

Brigid Church in Gdansk told parishioners during services that Jews killed

Jesus and the prophets." (p.22) What's wrong with that? According to

Jewish leadership: plenty. Jewish leaders say it was this millennia-old

accusation that ultimately led to the Holocaust: to millions of Jewish

"Christ killers" being herded into the prison camps and gas chambers of

Auschwitz, Dachau, etc. "You can't get any more anti-Semitic than that!"

they protest.

IS THE NEW TESTAMENT "HATE LITERATURE?"

Yet, think about it. Isn't that accusation exactly what Mel Gibson

portrayed in "The Passion of the Christ?" Isn't that exactly what the New

Testament teaches in passages too numerous to list here? Scripture says

evil Jewish leaders, helped by Jews gathered at the Feast of the

Passover, collectively pressured the Romans to crucify Christ.

From the Book of Acts alone come powerful indictments of the Jews.

"...let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both

Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified." Acts 2:36. "Men of

Israel...this man...you nailed to the cross by the hands of godless men and

put him to death." Acts 2:22,3. "Men of Israel...Jesus, the one whom

you delivered up...you disowned...put to death the Prince of Peace" Acts

3:12-15. "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye had put to

death by hanging him on a cross." Acts 8:30.

These words - that the Jews killed Jesus - were spoken by the pastor of

St. Brigid Church in Gdansk, Poland. If he is anti-Semitic according to

the US State Department, then so is the New Testament! So are you as a

Bible-believing Christian!



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Cool, the bible is now hate speech!

I think I´m gonna turn into a Bible Thumper. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



Bible verses from the New International Version.

[This message has been edited by MR END (edited 10-09-2005).]

Giving us some context to put that translation in, like what Bible that came from, would be nice.

Hatespeech? That's the most pathetic law I've heard of, my opinion (I've that a long time). If you don't like what someone says, either discuss it with them, or ignore it.

Also, I don't know a single Christian who honestly believes the Jews crucified Jesus. The Romans did. The Jews simply demanded the crucifixion. Also, Jesus died for everyone, meaning that his death must have been a result of some collect effort to screw up "the master plan."

Jesus was not crucified by Jews alone. He was crucified by mankind, for mankind.

the jews represent people to whom the message was preached and rejected.

1: Pharisees could not carry out any death sentence

2: The passage that you quoted never once said Jews nailed Jesus to anything.

Jamaicans crucified Jesus.

For not sharing the weed pipe(I forget the exact biblical reference, so you just need to find it yourselves).

It goes something like:

But they shouted, "Take him away, Mon! Take him away, Mon! Crucify him, Mon!"

"Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.

"We have no king but Jah," the chief Jamaicans answered.

BTW, according to proposed British hate speech laws, the whole bible, as well as the koran, is hate speech.

Only the jews matter anyhow.

Jehova only loves them,

that is why he sent Jesus to

them, not to India or America...

Your "christian" god is just

a symbol of jewish culture.

At least they know he isn't real.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

Jesus was not crucified by Jews alone. He was crucified by mankind, for mankind.

Thats stupid.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Only the jews matter anyhow.

Jehova only loves them,

that is why he sent Jesus to

them, not to India or America...

Your "christian" god is just

a symbol of jewish culture.

At least they know he isn't real.

Actually, Jesus was supposed to be sent so everyone could be freed from the burdens of their sins. Note how Peter was told in a dream to include the gentiles, and how Paul was sent out to "share the good news"-kind-of-thing. Remember, the Jews rejected Jesus; otherwise they'd be Christians. The Jews were meant to be a light to the world, so of course they were held to higher standards as well as receiving greater benefits. They are supposed to be the example.

Well really the Romans did it. They just said, "the jews made us do it!". The Romans supposedly did it out of fear of a riot/rebellion in Nazereth. Kind of strange if you ask me.

Historically the Romans did do it. How much reprisal do you think one of the greatest empires ever needed to fear from a Jewish city which they'd allready owned? I'm not saying the Jews didn't have a hand in it. I'm just saying it's strange the Romans did it (out of apparent Jewish influence), then hundreds of years later the Roman empire adopted christianity, rerwiting many of the texts, and surprise surprise the Jews come out as the sole blame takers.

I could probably articulate my thoughts on this better, but my point is made. This should make anyone think.