GodHatesFags.com (http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html)

If you click the "Sermons" link at the top, there's literally 30+ hours of gay-bashing rhetoric.

Now, i'm a christian, and this guy is a christian. And granted, this guy knows the bible a lot better than me, but our views are so incredibly different i can't really believe it.

But i have a question about this guy:

Even if God does "hate fags", which i really doubt, does that me we should hate fags? I don't think so. Judge Not, lest ye be judged. Vengeance is the lord's. But listening to this guy, its clear that he hates gays, as evidenced by his insistance on using the most offensive possible language to refer to them.

I know some people on this board hate gays, so what do you think? Also, what do people who don't hate gays think?

NOTE: my brother is gay, and i don't discriminate.

Everybody is a "sinner",

so god would hate everybody.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Everybody is a "sinner",

so god would hate everybody.

The difference, this guy says is that Gays have no interest whatsoever in repenting of their sin.

I don't think that's categorically true, but on some level he may have a point.

Although i dont necessarily agree 100% with the Rev (and i have been of the understanding that the Rev. was/is strick Calvinist.. i.e. zero freewill), i think his main point is to say, "Repent".

This is also from that site:

"The only hope that fags have is to listen to the preaching of Westboro Baptist Church, which is none other than the message of Jesus Christ: "Repent or perish" (Luke 13:3). If a fag is to have any hope of heaven, he will repent, he will be converted to Christ, and his sins will be blotted out (Acts 3:19). The word "repent" in Acts 3:19 is translated from the Greek word "metanoeo," which means "to think differently" and "feel compunction (remorse)." That means that if a fag repents, he changes the way he thinks, he stops having sex with other men (or, in the case of female fags, with other women), he will cast off the old sinful man and become a new man (2 Corinthians 5:17), he will stop identifying himself with a group of people whose only distinguishing factor is that they lust after people of the same sex, he will live soberly, righteously and godly (Titus 2:12), and he will give fruits meet for repentance (Matthew 3:8, Acts 26:20). In other words, if a fag repents, he is no longer a fag. He doesn't become a "gay Christian," because such a concept is an oxymoron. He doesn't go around the nation like John Paulk (the former chairman of Exodus International - a supposed "ex-gay" organization) telling everyone about his "former" fag lusts, and begging them for money to fund his "ministry." This same John Paulk was recently found in a gay bar. See WBC's flier about this issue.

The reality of life is that in general, fags are proud of their filthy lives, they try to convince everyone that what they are doing really isn't a sin, and they therefore cannot repent. The Bible teaches (and experience shows) that God has given fags up. In Romans 1, it says that God has given them up to uncleanness, to vile affections, and to a reprobate mind. These perverts who are given up by God are hated by God, they will never have hope, they will continue to live as workers of iniquity, they will never have any interest in repenting (and indeed, they CAN'T repent, because it's impossible to repent of something that you're proud of), they will die in their sins, and they will burn in hell for all eternity. The only way that a person can come to Christ is if the Father draws him (John 6:44). If the only power in the universe that can draw someone to repentance is God, and God has given that person up, then that person has absolutely no hope. In fact, this is true for most of mankind, because Christ taught that most of mankind goes to hell (Matthew 7:13,14), and is therefore not drawn by God; but it is especially true for fags, who are singled out in Romans 1 as the most perverse form of idolatrous sinners.

It is possible, however, for someone who has been involved in a homosexual lifestyle to repent (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), as long as he is not too far gone to be among those given up by God; with God, all things are possible. (See testimony by people who say they were trapped into a homosexual lifestyle). If that person is not given up by God, he is loved by God, he has always had hope, he will realize that he is a depraved human being and pray to God that He will give him repentance, God will give him repentance, he will die in a saved state, and he will go to heaven for all eternity. If God loves and has mercy on someone, God will give that person repentance. This is true for a small remnant of mankind according to the election of grace (Romans 11:5).

Of the two groups of people mentioned before, only God knows who is who. It is our job to endure all things for the elect's sake, and possibly through the foolishness of our preaching (1 Corinthians 1:21), some might be saved. While you are living an impenitent life of perversion, however, we will continue to preach to you and warn you to flee from the wrath to come: God hates fags; repent or you will perish like Matt Shepard; God has given fags up; fags can't repent when they are proud of what they do."

The rev is also a bit twisted in his head. Those that have left his church and some of his kids tell an interesting story. He basically thinks he is the next messiah and whether you go to heaven or hell is directly related to if you believe him or not. He also supposably beat his children.

Some woman from that site was going on about how the pope was evil.

Check out godhatesshrimp.com (http://godhatesshrimp.com/) for a good parallel.

Luckily he isn't much more than an oddity. It seems that virtually no one takes him or his stupid protesters seriously and they have yet to blow anything up.

IMHO he is helping homosexuals. No one who wasn't already a pretty big bigot takes him seriously and it just brings the issue of tolerance to the front.

quote:"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

John 13:34-35

Nuff said.

I swear, Christians are the most mislead group of people on the planet.

If you claim to be a Christian, but discriminate against any group of people, you are not following the way of Christ, and are not a Christian.

Jesus taught nothing but caring, understanding, and forgivness. That's all you need to know and because that's all that's important in the Christian religion. Forget the bible. The bible was written by man and holds mans ideas. The bible is not sacred or holy in any way. Most of what that book contains is fairy tale like stories and men saying thing's that at the time of writing furthered they're own political and social interests.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



The reality of life is that in general, fags are proud of their filthy lives, they try to convince everyone that what they are doing really isn't a sin, and they therefore cannot repent.

Well, i don't believe the gays actually are "proud" of their lifestyle any more than i am "proud" of my heterosexuality. Obviously you'd point to the many "gay pride" parades, but i don't think that's so much gays being proud of their lifestyle so much as it is them helping to make eachother feel accepted among a society, who by-and-large hates them.

Perhaps even that is a bad thing, but its hard to blame them if they didn't consciencely make the decision to be attracted to the same sex. The nature/cause of homosexuality is clearly still up for debate, but as a straight man, i find it hard to believe that any straight man would choose a gay lifestyle. I think its far more likely homosexuals are born with these feelings.

Not that these innate feelings excuse the sin, but at least you can understand why they don't view themselves as "filthy perverts".

quote:Originally posted by Mercury_firefly:

If you claim to be a Christian, but discriminate against any group of people, you are not following the way of Christ, and are not a Christian.

Wrong. The standards for being a Christian are 1) believe you're a sinner 2) believe Jesus was God's son and 3) ask God to forgive you of your sins so you are born again through Him.

Christians are not perfect people, and therefore cannot be expected to follow God perfectly.

quote:Jesus taught nothing but caring, understanding, and forgivness. That's all you need to know and because that's all that's important in the Christian religion. Forget the bible. The bible was written by man and holds mans ideas. The bible is not sacred or holy in any way. Most of what that book contains is fairy tale like stories and men saying thing's that at the time of writing furthered they're own political and social interests.

If they wrote it for their own 'political and social interests', why the hell were they hunted and persecuted? Many were killed or thrown in prison for spreading the word of God.

Also, Jesus did teach caring, understanding, and forgiveness. He taught love. When you see someone you love doing something wrong, you at least try to reason with them. Granted you are not to pass judgement, and are to love them as you love yourself. But in doing so you should also try to bring them closer to God. It's a difficult thing to do when many feel despised/despise the Christian religion.

Saying that the Bible is a 'book of fairy tales' shows your lack of knowledge/faith/experience in the Christian religion, and also lowers your credibility in the sense that you seem to believe that you have the ability to discern Christians from non-Christians merely by judging their acts.

quote:If they wrote it for their own 'political and social interests', why the hell were they hunted and persecuted? Many were killed or thrown in prison for spreading the word of God.

So? Communists in the US have been thrown in jail. Those that started the US revolution were persecuted and killed by the english. Doesn't mean they didn't do it for political and social interest.

What we do know is that the guy who wrote those words and the people who chose to put them in the bible did carry political and social weight with a certain group and had social preconceptions when they wrote those words. It could be argued that some of the new testament homosexual commands were writen in partially as a barb against Rome. Although homosexual behavior wasn't condoned by Romans it did exist quite a bit.

I have noticed many christians seem to have a anti-homosexual fetish. Ignoring plenty of other sins (including ones they commit themselves) just to point out or attack homosexuals.

I dont hate people based on their sexual orientation. I just hate people that I dont like.

The Phelps guy is seriously going to get owned by God someday. Nowhere does God say to hate gays or treat them any different than straights.

Also that Phelps guy is a douche anyway. He was supposed to get a bunch of his cronies to make a protest at my college but never showed. I was going to yell and throw shit at them. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

i dont like gays. homosexuality is an abomination. so's eating shellfish and prawna. i eat prawns.... oh well. i think that if you accept jesus as your saviour and stuff that you will be saved. in the end, it all comes down to for or against jesus. when you accept jesus into your heart, all past, present and future sins are forgiven.

i stll dont like gays. or muslims.

[This message has been edited by masteroftheobvious (edited 10-10-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

I was going to yell and throw shit at them. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Shit that actually came from your butt?

Phelps is awesome.

Well.... not really.

Just really damn funny.

I used to download his sermons just so I could listen to him rant.

I guess it's nasty when he pickets funerals and whatnot, but his actual website is pretty damn ammusing.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

He also supposably beat his children.

I'd be suprised if he didn't beat his children. Wouldn't it be funny if they turned out gay?

According to the Bible in the end most of us are going to get ass raped anyway.

The Rev. should worry less about the little homo's on the ground and start worrying about the big one in the sky.

If god is all powerfull... Why do people on Earth feel they have to do "The Lord's Work". God created a universe in 7 days...

I doubt this guy could build a spice rack in a fortnight...

"Gay-Christian" isn't the oxymoron here... Men doing the work of God is...

Ok. Why would gays want to repent

if they aren't christian?

Won't being a non-believer send

everyone to the same place,

regardless of where they do with

god's favorite body parts?

Why the fixation on gay sex, like

that is the worst thing in the

world? I say more pussy for the

rest of us!

Fred Phelps: disbarred lawyer, con artist, wife/child beater, torturer, psycopath.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

This man is a Korseh-like freak.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Shit that actually came from your butt?

The irony.

There's a great picture on Wikipedia of one of phelps followers getting beaten with his own sign when they celebrated 9/11.

quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:

According to the Bible in the end most of us are going to get ass raped anyway.

The Rev. should worry less about the little homo's on the ground and start worrying about the big one in the sky.

Did you just call God a homo?

Well, God is often called a He and he did create Man first and he didn't know what Man wanted until he was offered all the animals first.

Something to think about. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Acoarding to the cult that runs that site God does not only hate fags but pretty much everyone who is not them. They are generaly messed up people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhatesfags

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

It is possible, however, for someone who has been involved in a homosexual lifestyle to repent (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), as long as he is not too far gone to be among those given up by God; with God, all things are possible. (See testimony by people who say they were trapped into a homosexual lifestyle). If that person is not given up by God, he is loved by God, he has always had hope, he will realize that he is a depraved human being and pray to God that He will give him repentance, God will give him repentance, he will die in a saved state, and he will go to heaven for all eternity. If God loves and has mercy on someone, God will give that person repentance. This is true for a small remnant of mankind according to the election of grace (Romans 11:5).

There is the case of a Belgian Roman Catholic priest who is giving his superiors hell because he is a homosexual and insists on living that "lifestyle". He even was living with his friend together for some time. I think he just barely escaped being defrocked because he agreed to separate himself from his friend.

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

Well, i don't believe the gays actually are "proud" of their lifestyle any more than i am "proud" of my heterosexuality. Obviously you'd point to the many "gay pride" parades, but i don't think that's so much gays being proud of their lifestyle so much as it is them helping to make eachother feel accepted among a society, who by-and-large hates them.

Of course they are not "proud" in the same way as is someone who just passed his college exams with flying colours and got his diploma/certificate.

quote:Originally posted by Mercury_firefly:

Jesus taught nothing but caring, understanding, and forgivness. That's all you need to know and because that's all that's important in the Christian religion. Forget the bible. The bible was written by man and holds mans ideas. The bible is not sacred or holy in any way. Most of what that book contains is fairy tale like stories and men saying thing's that at the time of writing furthered they're own political and social interests.

If you don't believe anything of what the Bible tells about Christ, where do you get your authority then for telling us what Christ taught, what we need to know, and what's important in the Christian religion ?

I suppose if I say to you that Christ wasn't very forgiving nor caring, nor understanding, to the merchants in the temple, you will retort that this is just one of the "fairy tale like stories" the Bible is telling ?

The gall ; the presumption, I swear...

More Homos=more girls for the straight guys. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) The gay pride thing is annoying though.

quote:Originally posted by masteroftheobvious:

i dont like gays. homosexuality is an abomination. so's eating shellfish and prawna. i eat prawns.... oh well. i think that if you accept jesus as your saviour and stuff that you will be saved. in the end, it all comes down to for or against jesus. when you accept jesus into your heart, all past, present and future sins are forgiven.

i stll dont like gays. or muslims.



shell fish fucking rules!!!

quote:Originally posted by Mercury_firefly:

I swear, Christians are the most mislead group of people on the planet.

If you claim to be a Christian, but discriminate against any group of people, you are not following the way of Christ, and are not a Christian.

Jesus taught nothing but caring, understanding, and forgivness. That's all you need to know and because that's all that's important in the Christian religion. Forget the bible. The bible was written by man and holds mans ideas. The bible is not sacred or holy in any way. Most of what that book contains is fairy tale like stories and men saying thing's that at the time of writing furthered they're own political and social interests.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) if all Christians just followed the teachings of Christ, everybody would be a lot happier. But then, what were the true teachings of Christ? *lengthy and pointless debate ensues whilst everybody carries on being nasty to each other*

Just stop all this religion nonsense, forget what some idiot who claims to be the second coming tells you, and be fucking nice to each other anyway because that's how society works.

Who gives a shit?

I can't stand a person who has absolutely no tolerance for someone who is different. He might as well hate blacks, asians, and hispanics because it is all the same shit.

A person like him is just full of hate, and is also the same kind of person who commits hate crimes. What makes it really bad, is that he think his thinking is justified and backed by his religion. It is just like how slave owners thought having black slaves was ok by christianity. Or just like how suicide bombers and other murderers in the middle-east think there actions are justified.

Gay people are not the problem, people like him are.

I have nothing agianst any other race, sexual preference, etc. How someone lives their own life is their business, not mine.

In my opinion God hates hedonic behaviour more than any other.

Question: If Christians acknowledge God as the all powerful creator, wouldn't that mean he created homosexuals? And if he created homosexuals, and didn't like them, why didn't he dispose of them? After all, he supposedly wiped out almost every human being on earth with a flood because he didn't like the direction humanity was choosing. Homosexuality has been around a loooooong time. If God's so pissed about it, why hasn't he found some natural disaster/plague to get rid of them???

Answer: God doesn't give a shit. Or its very low on his priority list when you consider how many murderers, rapists, and violent criminals there are to keep him busy.