Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

Because "sharing your joy" often takes the form of forcing your dogma on the rest of us, like creationism and gay marriage. Plus, you're just wrong.

But why are you comming to this forum if you know that religion will be shoved down your throat? If you're an athiest, and a happy one, then why would you have any interest at all in religion?

quote:Plus, you're just wrong.

They have to let everyone see how smart they are.

So you can share joy but atheists can't? What kind of stupid logic is that.

People don't live as islands, your beliefs about other religions can have direct effects on other people. Thus many are here to correct those mistakes.

quote:Originally posted by Beholder:

They have to let everyone see how smart they are.

usually

Why do we send kids to school?

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?



Shitty beliefs affect me, that's the sad fact. They affect my rights, my entertainment and my education among other things. I don't want shitty beliefs to affect those things. It's that easy.

If there were a gaurantee that these shitty beliefs weren't going to affect any aspect of my life then I probably wouldn't bother (one can still bother to discuss those beliefs as debate is also a form of mental exercise/stimuli, and a form of entertainment).

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I love to discuss my beliefs...

quote:But why are you comming to this forum if you know that religion will be shoved down your throat? If you're an athiest, and a happy one, then why would you have any interest at all in religion?

Perhaps we are sick of people like you brainwashing kids with your dogma.

Perhaps we are sick of people like you holding back humanity.

Who knows - perhaps we do it for the fun? I find proving you wrong to be fun from time to time.

If you want the real answer though, why don't you ask your God - i'm sure he will know.

I do it because it's fun.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

I have no problem with people like you, I don't mind what the majority of people believe as long as they are open minded and happy. However, I absolutely, and I cannot stress this enough, despise people who try to mislead themselves and others, people who do not believe but pretend to, and, worst of all, people who actually try to argue against well-proven scientific theories that experts in the respective fields have tried and failed to disprove, and actually manage to come off better in debates based on sophistry and clever speaking. We're at a social fork in the road here. Either the rationalists fight back and the Enlightenment continues, or we sink back into the Dark Ages, science and society never progress, and our planet slowly but surely implodes because noone 'believes' in global warming.

I'm all for religion if you can justify it to yourself, you truly believe, and you don't try to mislead others. In fact, I'd love to believe myself and I'm very much into (properly philosophical) theology. I am against the foul stench of ignorance that hovers around a great deal of religious belief.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

1.) Because I am not without empathy; I would like others to escape dogma and unreason, too. Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I don't care about others.

2.) By debating, I solidify my own understanding. Who knows, maybe someday I'll be converted!

3.) It's fun to debate.

4.) Some people are close-minded and harmful; their type of thinking can affect my life, as well as their own.



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quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:



But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

The same reason you care about what others believe, moron.

Your perspective: You wish to share with others the joys of your faith so that they may experience those joys themselves. (Correct, more or less?)

My perspective: I wish to do what I can to prevent my fellow man's initiation into a cult of conveniently rationalizable delusions, born of an ancient and sophisticated memetic virus, that often serves to severely restrict his access to knowledge and true wisdom.

I stay out of this board because of the intolerance i see towards atheists, because of the intolerance atheists have towards other religeons, because ive seen only 2 atheists defend their points intellegently, and because no one can spell "atheist".

quote:Originally posted by Some Old Drunk Guy:

...and because no one can spell "atheist".

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Why do you care why we care? Do you believe it is religion that makes you a good or bad person, cause it isn't. I care about my fellow man because I want my fellow man to care about my wellbeing too. I also feel that religion is false information, and that it's my duty to fight such a thing. Also, I have a thorough comprehension of mass manipulation, and how to gain control of a populous by simply lifting focus. Ever heard the phrase "Divide and Conquer". Well, religion is a great way to divide nations and create tension. The fact that religious people believe in an unproveable, totally fictional character based on the teachings from a bible that was create when we still thought the earth was flat, is unbelievable. I have no problem with this, and if religion didn't cause so much division within society, I wouldn't care.

Until we heal this devision within society, we'll continue to fall to the conquerers who take advantage of it. I can't believe that people don't realize the dangers of excepting anything as truth without substantiation.

This post is not working right. >=(

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quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Damnit, what the fuck... I can't quote that post. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Because I wouldn't be atheist if people on this board didn't argue against theism.

Good enough reason for me.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.



funniest bullshit i read all day, no, all WEEK.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

But why are you comming to this forum if you know that religion will be shoved down your throat? If you're an athiest, and a happy one, then why would you have any interest at all in religion?

Religion is a huge part of nearly every culture on the planet. Western culture is hugely influenced by Christianity. It's important for everyone, atheists included, to know about their own culture (preferrably more, but their own culture is a minimum)

I think they just like to argue, and that the Christians who argue with them, need to read a little more word. Jesus never argued with the pharisees. He quoted the truth (The Inspired Word of God). He spoke the truth. He said, "IT IS WRITTEN". Not, "Here's what I think". Quite honestly, my friend, we, as christians, should do the same. IT IS WRITTEN, that we should let NOT corrupt communication depart from us. That means, if it isn't edifying, it shouldn't be spoken.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Why do we send kids to school?

Because they get taken away if you don't.

quote:It's important for everyone, atheists included, to know about their own culture

You think that clinging onto the scraps of a 2000 year old book with your life is important? I don't.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

I spelled it right.... What are you laughing at?

im an atheist and don't mind having a religion.

i could care less what others have to say,

but when they start to persuade me, then beef starts to happen. fucking christians think that their religions are so better

don't spread joy around by talking to people

post signs or something but don't confront them. one day you will get your ass beat by people like me.

quote:Originally posted by Some Old Drunk Guy:

I spelled it right.... What are you laughing at?

Not laughing at you, but rather the people who can't spell.

quote:other religeons

...

no one can spell "atheist".

Anyone notice the irony?

no,



I <3 athiesm.

I don't notice a lot of Christianity being shoved down our throats. In any case, it's fun. It's educational. Ca suffi.

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quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

Your face smells like shit.

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselfs.

Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it.

Atheism is just a word, like cockblow. You need to realize many words combined make a sentence. One that doesn't necessarily make any sense.

But what the fuck does a Cro-Magnon like you know about words? Words are like trees to your dumb ass. They're big, numerous and all looking the same.

What the fuck is an atheist anyway?

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselfs.

Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it.

Well, ya know what? To an extent, I agree. People do know when they're living in sin. "I'm worthless". They know when something isn't right. Just as a christian knows when they aren't following God like they should be. "Something just isn't right." I also think, I don't think I know. I've been there, and no matter how they will deny it, they ARE looking for something in the world to fill a void. They will NOT find it in the world, it's only from God. That's why we HAVE to live the life, and show them. Faith without works is dead. God doesn't want lip service he wants a true and pure heart.

I was reading in Corinthians again, and I knew I am growing spiritually because I keep getting deeper and deeper revelation. I've read it three times before but this time, I read this and I had to read it again, because it was GOOD. It was GOD.

Basically, they read the bible and can't understand it because their heart isn't right. Only those who read the bible seeking God will understand it. If they have an alternative motive, they'll not understand it. Paul said, If a fool thinks himself to be wise, let him become a fool, so he will be wise. I love that. I didn't turn to God until I realized, I knew nothing, and there's more than what meets the eye, and I began to seek him, and still do, and I understood, I KNEW God IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE.

Stay hungry, Brother/Sister. For those that hunger and thirst will be filled. Don't loose sight of the vision God's placed on your heart, and never get comfortable where you are, keep running with God, and he'll take you to the promised land. It gets hard and harder, but you grow and grow. Never doubt God, always doubt your doubts. He loves you, and He wants to show you something. God is so Good.

quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

Anyone notice the irony?

*religions.

Shut up asshole, i can spell religions, i just didn't proofread. People really dont know how to spell "Atheist".

So shut the fuck up, got it?

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

One can never be too happy.

I read this forum in case somebody makes a good argument for believing in gods. It has not happened yet.

The reason I come to the forums is because Im highly iterested in people who can beleive such tripe. Much like an animal pshycologist wants to study dogs but that doent mean he would become one if given the chance. Its just funny how A book can say something exists and then people base thier lives on what A BOOK said.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselfs.

Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it.

So you ignore all of the explanations that we gave you and that you asked for. Obviously, we're just deluding ourselves. You know what you're doing? You're trying to make the evidence fit the belief. That will get you nowhere except deluded yourself.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Well, if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of a thiest, they know it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselves.

Also, theism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The theists come here to search out truth and religion, they just can't admit it.

See? I can make unfounded statements too.

Not only did he ignore all the answers here, he apparently has mind reading abilities that allows him to know exactly what an "atheist" is thinking (lets not forget that atheist is a broad term and multiple and contradicting beliefs are atheistic such as humanism and buddhism.)

Considering his actions I would really question who is trying to justify what.

This thread is pretty obviously just a platform for that statement; he wanted to tell us all that we're deluded, but first he had to disguise it as a legitimate thread so we wouldn't ignore it.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselfs.

Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it.

Rationalists are often wrong, and they always admit it. Unlike religious irrational idiots like youreslf however, they are not always wrong, and they discard the results of their wrongness. That's the best a person can hope to be.

I'm not going to take spitiual advice from someone who types "themselfs" and then does not immediately feel dirty.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

I dont care what others believe, but I do care when people try to pass off fictional nonsense as scientific fact (intelligent design is the perfect example).

Post # 10,001 on MGCBtSOoYG:

Why do christians have to come on this forum (other than the fact that they love the name)? This issue is invalid. When theists stop shoving their shit down atheists throats, atheists will stop shoving their shit down theists throats. Unfortunately, the theists will never stop.

Which leads to the big irony. This thread that pretended to ask the atheists why they are here was made for the purpose of showing more theist garbage down their throats. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

Ok, here's my beef.

Why are there so many athiests on this board who claim to be happy and content with their choice? If you're happy and content, then why would it matter what others say about religion to you?

As a Christian, I have a vested interest in sharing with everyone the joy I have because Jesus is in my heart. That's why I'm here.

But why are you here? As an athiest, why do you care what others believe?

Because I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when people use their capacity for critical thought I also believe in Occams Razor

Before the abolition of slavery, almost all slaves were pro-slavery.

Think about it, there's something to it.

We atheists aren't fighting against believers, we're fighting against belief.

If you as a believer were brought up in a world where you made your own choice, and then of your own free will found religion- I think 99% of us would be behind you. It's the brainwashing and unfair tactics religions use that makes atheists rebel against it.

Edit-

Also, I find athiests to be completely open minded (The only way we can get here is by free thought) We're open to new ideas, both for & Against god.

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quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong.



Who says an atheist has a soul? Who said soul's are real. Point one out to me on a human body cause i got no idea were they are.

But if you ment that athiests pretend to be right but really know there wrong then i would disagree with you. Why would a person intentionaly lie to themselves, and if its not intentionaly then why would it be your religion? And you base that theory one the thousands of athiests youve met?

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Which leads to the big irony. This thread that pretended to ask the atheists why they are here was made for the purpose of showing more theist garbage down their throats. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I found that rather amusing/frustrating as well. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Peppy:

The wonders of arrogance. "Deep down, everyone knows that I'm right. They simply refuse to admit it."

For this, I hate you. Moving on...

- "Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers."

Atheism, especially weak atheism, is based on the understanding that we do not have all the answers. We're not stupid enough to believe that humanity can answer all of the mysteries surrounding life and existence in general.

Your blind faith does nothing more than to delude you into believing that you possess knowledge that you truly do not.

- "The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it."

You're partially correct. Atheists are searching for truth. You simply assume that your religion is the ultimate truth, which is simply incorrect.

Edit: Hurray for proofreading.

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quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

Your partially correct. Atheists are searching for truth. You simply assume that your religion is the ultimate truth, which is simply incorrect.

Your name is fitting. Unknown truths. It works.

And you are right. Atheists and agnostics are on a constant search. To be fair, everyone, including theists, should constantly be searching for the truth, whether they search in their holy books or everywhere. In the end, since we cannot possibly find the actual, solid truth internally, it is the search that matters. Anyone contented with their understanding is committing the greatest sin after not believing in whichever Whitebeard you like the name of best. Beign a better Christian, a better Jew, a better Muslim, or simply a better person, is the greatest search. Atheism is neither better nor worse than theism, it is simply a different path towards the same goal.

I don't believe in your God and I am not sheilding myself from the truth of him. I do believe in a pseudo-"Holy Ghost," though I do not view it in the same sense. And, being an atheist, my search will never end. I am happy in my views but not content, for I know a better view lies out there somewhere. Thus, I come here. I test my beliefs, introduce new ideas, and consolidate everything. Most religious people end their search for enlightenment at finding religion, atheists carry it forever. There are exceptions to both camps, however.

quote:Originally posted by Fai1safe:

Why would a person intentionaly lie to themselves

A good question, that Peppy should answer.

He has plenty of atheists replying yet with the data looking him in the face he lies to himself. This seems common with some christians. Just look at fundamentalists who, with the data looking them in the face will lie to themselves about basic science, and they will feel more "intouch" with God for doing it.

quote:Originally posted by p106_peppy:

well if you want my two cents:

I think it's because deep down inside the soul of an athiest knows it's wrong. So they come here to try and justify and explain, not only to others that they're right in their decision, but in a way they need to justify it to themselfs.

Also, atheism is a shield they put up, that, in a way, protects them from having to say that they don't have all the answers.

The atheists come here to search out truth and religion, they just cant admit it.

Now I am not an atheist by any stretch of the term, but your whole logic is deeply flawed. Not to mention that you seem to be just egging on atheists so that you can "prove" your silly religion.

This in itself is why atheists don't like you people, because you take their beliefs and say "it's wrong, you suck, way to lose dumbass". What are they supposed to do? Sit there and go "okay, well I'll be like the messiah Jesus and turn the other cheek". No, if they insult your beliefs, you fight for it, and when you do the same, they'll fight for what they believe too.