its late so I'll keep this brief. i know a lot of people here as in most other places like to nitpick about God or his words. dissecting the bible not knowing it holds meaning to everyone differently.

my point here now is that the signs are pointing to the end days. they have started slow and unnoticed but it has become really obvious.

first is the hatred that spreads around the planet like a plague which fuels more hatred. the division of united people based on their higher thoughts of themselves, their selfishness and pride. christianity is now a sect of 30 different sects like mormonism judaism etc. we bitch and fight over stupid wordings in a phrase in the bible which divides us just as satan has planned. we have become so self indulgent and hedonistic in our lifestyles its like if we don't have fuckin lobster and steak every night we feel poor. our love for god has turned into our love for money. everyone in the world loves money more than they love god and jesus. a test would be imagining you just got $1,000,000 in the bank as opposed to being accepted into heaven. which gives you the most thrill?

tv is a huge mind control device that makes decisions for us in the macroscope while we still believe we have control because all we see is through the microscope. these are the days of noah. the believers are laughed at, ridiculed and they force many true believers to question their own faith (its happened to me).

the world is rebelling. not the human world, the natural world. natural disasters are quite common these days and its funny how the hurricanes always miss the other nations and slam right into the states. like wilma. a clear indication something is wrong with your government and those who deserve it will be punished but those who don't will be spared.

i am not a homophobe but the recent explosion of the gay scene becoming mainstream is not only a decay on society but the very first time the decision is made outside of referring to the bible for the decision. this is also known as the seperation of church and state where we no longer look to God to guide us like it says on your money "in god we trust", but rather what fad is popular will be norm and those who oppose are 'discriminators' or 'ignorant bigots'. this will only get worse now that the door is open and law and society will be based on popular culture which stems from the tv which i mentioned above.

the mark of the beast is coming along very nicely. http://www.verichipcorp.com/ it is only a matter of time (my generation) before its mandatory due partly to the fear tactics used by the bush admin. to scare people into giving up their rights for safety. kind of like illusion of safety on airplanes.

oh, there are so many things to mention. there are so many things wrong and it is so hard to see the truth. but if we look hard enough the truth shall set us free.

Judaism is a sect of christianty???????

Hurricanes always manage to "slam" into the states because we are "hedonistic"right? Aside from the fact they hit the states because that is where the conditions are right for hurricanes (I can tell you the high school geography if you like).

Similarly.... Why would God target hurricanes at the bible belt?

You also get "hurricanes" in other parts of the world, they are just under *different names* => typhoon?



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quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Similarly.... Why would God target hurricanes at the bible belt?



Because Allah is angry?

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Similarly.... Why would God target hurricanes at the bible belt?



Because Allah is angry?

Touche (damn why wont those accents work anymore!?)

The end times are always coming "soon." It highlights a real psycological phenomena, that is to see the past through rose colored glasses and to worry about the future. I really doubt there are as many big problems as say during WW2 or during red scare and the cold war when we came minutes away from being nuked.

Exactly, it's a generational thing. Each generation thinks that the one following them is the most decadent, selfish, violent, immoral, etc to ever walk the planet. There are newspaper clippings of this stuff going back a very long time, it's just a matter of perception.

However the natural disasters recently have been pretty fucking spooky. What are the odds of two massive disasters like the tsunami in Indonesia and the earthquake in Iran happening the day after Christmas two years in a row? Not to mention the string of other natural disasters, the hurricanes flooding New Orleans, the massive earthquake in Pakistan/Turkey/India, hurricane Wilma now which has such low pressure the authorities had to suggest the possiblity that the plane recording it might be broken (!), it has the lowest pressure ever recorded for a hurricane in that part of the world. I'm not saying these disasters seem biblically ordained, but the frequency with which they have been occuring recently must be statistically unusual.

Just look at how much Leave it to beaver era is romanticized even though if we really went back to the "good ol days" we would probably find it pretty distasteful. Racist misogynistic people and women were considered second class citizens so were people who spoke out and acted differently from the norm. Etc.

We have been getting it pretty bad from nature but I would question if it's more serious than other years. We just hear about more and with more people we end up with more death and destruction. Take when Pompeii was whipped off the map, today we would know about it weeks before it happened based on earthquakes, the city would be evacuated and a minute after the volcano flattened the empty city we would see it on the news. Back then the city just vanished.

Nothing seems to be out of the norm. Large earthquakes generally happen from plate movements and since there are few cushion zones one quake can set others into motion. A bad hurricane season was predicted based on weather cycles. and the two just happen to overlap each other.

Compared to some of the events in the geological record we have it pretty easy. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by metro:

it is only a matter of time (my generation) before its mandatory due partly to the fear tactics used by the bush admin. to scare people into giving up their rights for safety. kind of like illusion of safety on airplanes.

oh, there are so many things to mention. there are so many things wrong and it is so hard to see the truth. but if we look hard enough the truth shall set us free.

You must have looked really hard indeed, to the point of blindness. It seems you decide what you are seeing before actually looking. That's why everything that happens seems to fit in your fantasy world. You don't need to look harder, that just messes up your sight. Look wider....

It's funny you should mention "fear tactics" in a post that reeks of it. When are you "believers" going to realize that the world does not revolve around your faith?

Omg satan.

Do the believers ever contemplate that their beloved end of the world/apocalypse, etc. is simply going to be the end of the Christian/apocalyptic believing-in religion, and NOT the world?

Wow, what a mindfuck.

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

You must have looked really hard indeed, to the point of blindness. It seems you decide what you are seeing before actually looking. That's why everything that happens seems to fit in your fantasy world. You don't need to look harder, that just messes up your sight. Look wider....

It's funny you should mention "fear tactics" in a post that reeks of it. When are you "believers" going to realize that the world does not revolve around your faith?





All faith was once one but it was us who divided it. Fear is not what I have and not what I am trying to instill in your minds. But rather an enlightening. Obviously its too much to ask from an athiest who frequents the religious board just for reassurance in his own self-God image. When will you wake up and realize that the world does not revolve around you and your beliefs? Or is that why you are here? Trying to change that?

quote:Originally posted by metro:



All faith was once one but it was us who divided it.

You're doing it again. You like to think that history proves your world view but Yahweh, Zeus, Odin, Osiris and Ahura Mazda were never one faith. Maybe you should read more books than just the bible?

quote:Originally posted by metro:



Fear is not what I have and not what I am trying to instill in your minds. But rather an enlightening.

Really? I fail to see how warnings of nature "reacting" to our corrupt societies is enlightening. This arrogant presumption that corruption comes from being irreligious blinds you to the real problems. I'm sorry but you are far, far away from the point of being able to enlighten anyone.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

Obviously its too much to ask from an athiest who frequents the religious board just for reassurance in his own self-God image. When will you wake up and realize that the world does not revolve around you and your beliefs? Or is that why you are here? Trying to change that?

You really should stop assuming things that confirm your beliefs. It makes you seem scared to face reality.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

the world is rebelling. not the human world, the natural world. natural disasters are quite common these days and its funny how the hurricanes always miss the other nations and slam right into the states. like wilma. a clear indication something is wrong with your government and those who deserve it will be punished but those who don't will be spared.

While I must say this is a very, very good post and I agree with much of it if not with the letter then with the spirit, yet I think you are missing something when you are singling out those hurricanes to prove that they are intended to punish the United States.

What about the colossal earthquakes occurring fairly often in other parts of the worlds, the Middle East amongst other places ? The latest one in the series which happened in Pakistan is an obvious example. They make many more victims and cause at least as much destruction as the hurricanes.

BTW, the hurricanes are originating in the Atlantic Ocean in a particular area and the winds are driving them in a direction normally limited to the south-eastern mostly coastal states, and I bet they have done so for a long time before man had even set foot on the north-American continent.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

.. i know a lot of people here as in most other places like to nitpick about God or his words. ..

.. tv is a huge mind control device that makes decisions for us in the macroscope while we still believe we have control

.. natural disasters are quite common these days and its funny how the hurricanes always miss the other nations and slam right into the states. ..

.. i am not a homophobe but the recent explosion of the gay scene becoming mainstream this will only get worse now that the door is open and law and society will be based on popular culture which stems from the tv which i mentioned above.

.. the mark of the beast is coming along very nicely. ..



..oh, there are so many things to mention. there are so many things wrong and it is so hard to see the truth. but if we look hard enough the truth shall set us free.

i reallly enjoy what you had to say :)

it takes alot of guts to speak out for God (Jesus) these days.. for various reasons like;

- getting pummellted by fools

- belittled by communists

- getting tangled up in questions that can't be answered by wolves in sheeps clothing-- in other words: Anti-Christians

throw in the jewish mafia that (thinks) its running the earth with a smathering of pro-american radicals.. and we don't have much of a chance, metro :(

but as you know, God shows His strengh most, in His peoples weakness.. :)

you seem to come darn close to hitting the nail on the head when it comes to the Beast.

First to summarize knowing prophecy, and not knowing..

The Bible is clear on this.. a prophet is known like all other TRUE believers in God.. that is, by their fruits.

As far as Revelation is concerned.. that book was also written for 3rd graders to understand ("..so that you have NO need for another man to teach you..").

The Book Of Revelation, will be 'revealed' when the prophecies are actually occuring..not according to some hypocrite evangalist preaching on 'the second beast' (ie. tv).

America has already CLEARLY fulfilled the prophecies about the 'First Beast'.

Your right about queers.. they need to be 'shoved back in the closet' where they belong, or be dealt with VICIOUSLY before they cause any more harm among our children.



God Bless you metro, my prayers are with you.

[edit:10.24.05 took word 'litteral' out, because i don't wish hell on anyone, i am just expressing my discust for people who act against God with no regard]

(but not for the unbelievers, mockers, fools, self-rightious, and especially the evil-- Christ-killer jews).. they can 'go-to-hell'.



[edit add] I forgot to mention that muslims are more 'christian like' than most christians today, because they at least have the guts to stand up against evil countries like the usa and murderers like bush.



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End days?

Like Pompeii? That was an end of days...for many.

The earth cycles...and we don't have full records of the earth's cycles of reclaiming itself...and rebuilding itself.

And there will always be 'end days', imo. For both the 'good' and the 'bad'.

quote:Originally posted by imperfectcircle:

it has the lowest pressure ever recorded

Recorded, being the key word here?

How long have we had the technology to record such events?

You christians won't get your armageddon you want so badly unless you get pro-active.

You need a few more wars in the middle east, maybe another conservative in the supreme court, then the devil comes and shits on all the unbelievers, and brown people, and europe, and the jews, and the fags.

Oh, the liberals will get theirs too.

Jesus said so.

Amen.

Love man, just love. Who cares if the world will end. Love is what it's all about. Are we not all people trying to avoid suffering? Don't we all carry an element of divinity from our creator? If all people respond to stimulis based on past experiences, and our inborn disposition, are we not all the same? Everything is connected. Those people suffering caused by the attachment of what and who they lost due to the horrible storms and earth quakes in effect cause all of us to suffer, because we can not live in a state of absolute harmony if anyone suffers. So just love, everything, everyone, and everyday.

So people are automatically empty minded because they reject his claims?

Lets see, what are his claims,

•Signs are pointing to the end days.

Wow, now that's a new and never before heard claim. People have been saying that for 2000 years. One of the most recent big end days flubs was the millennium, another was a guy in the 80 who wrote a book showing how all the signs had come to pass and the world would end in 1988. TBN (a christian cable network) even stopped regular broadcasting to hold end of days and rapture programing. When his calculations failed and it didn't happen, he recalculated and they did it all again. Guess what, no end of the world. Since then the guy has updated his book, why the world will end in 89, 90, 91, etc.

So, don't be surprised if people are skeptical of someone coming to totse to proclaim the sky is falling.

•hatred and pride spread over the earth, people love money

Yeah, so? Nothing new there, it's been happening long before revelations was ever written.

•Christianity is split up into sects like Judaism.

Haha, he just called Judaism a sect of christianity, I'm sure we trust his ability to tell the end times.

although it might surprise someone who thinks judaism is a sect of christianity, but christianity has always been fractured. Before the bible was even put together there were arguments. Some Jewish texts were left out of the bible, partly because of the arguments between gnostic and non gnostic christians.

•Nature is attacking us

Quite a bit of this thread has talked about this. Most people agree that nature doesn't seem to be acting seriously different than in the past.

•gays are becoming mainstream

I would agree. Not sure it's serious evidence for the end times. Sinful lifestyles have been accepted by our culture before, hasn't been a problem.

•seperation of church and state

Because when the child molesting church ran things everything was much better. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

•Verichipcorp

If you want to take Rev literally there are very specific claims about the mark of the beast. I very much doubt Verichip is going to start sticking 666 into our palms and foreheads.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

I wasn't talking to you.

Bravo! Great rebuttal there, empty head.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

Oh great, now it's going to look like I edited that because of your post. Good going.

It can be our little secret. Promise.

So you have mind reading abilities now?

How do you know no one considered it before rejecting it?

What irrationality did I reply with, or was it a general You?

Come on guys love... Just let this bitterness go. Especially if you beleive the worlds gonna end, there's no time for this. I personally don't beleive God would drown her children, though. She loves us.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

They don't say that's not true and then come up with their own thoughts on something else, they just sit there and think about how it can't be true without ever producing anything but rejection. It's the fact that those people don't think for themselves. They either reject it, and then let the consensus "normal" reality take over and they display what is supposed to be common sense, or they just stop completely after they finish "debunking" whatever it is that they don't believe in.

So, what you're saying is that we have to agree with you and not reject you, otherwise we're "empty minded". Beta69 offered a very clear list of reasons for the rejection. You choose to ignore and not reply to this because...you don't like it? The rejection does produce a lot more than the initial claims. I wouldn't expect you to understand though because obviously critical thinking and common sense are not some of your virtues.

ate, you are an incoherent little bitch.

Ate, can you show me how my conclusion is wrong? Or is this just going to be a standard, "You don't agree with me, so you are taken over by satan, I am right, you are wrong, Nanananana" type of posts?

Nice ramble. Seems a bit vacant though.

Ok, it's pretty simple, Metro said the end was coming and provided some evidence to support his statement. I (among others) showed how his evidence doesn't support his statement.

You seem to think his evidence does. Then show us how it does. Can you provide us with anything beyond empty rambling or is this discussion done?

Absolutley right. This is the end. Jesus is coming. The labour pains have begun and He's coming. There's no stoping the birth, once the labour pains hit. OUR job, is the MAKE WAY FOR THE BABY. Prepare the way of the Lord. He's gettin His sweet harvest. The harvest field is white, but the labourers are few, pray for labourers. That's been on my heart for awhile. These are the LAST SECONDS of the LAST DAYS, without a doubt.

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Haggai 1:5-7

Now therefore this saith the Lord of hosts; C-O-N-S-I-D-E-R Y-O-U-R W-A-Y-S Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and H-E T-H-A-T

E-A-R-N-E-T-H W-A-G-E-S E-A-R-N-E-T-H

W-A-G-E-S T-O- P-U-T- I-T I-N-T-O A B-A-G W-I-T-H H-O-L-E-S.

!!!America!!!

Obadiah 1:3-6

The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that swellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the EAGLE, and though thou set thy nest among the STARS, thence will I bring three down, saith the Lord. If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes? How art the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

**Esau hath I hated, Jacob hath I loved, In Gen. Esau took his birth right lightly, (taken God for granted) and the traded the "kingdom of God" so to speak, for fleshly things, (food). If you remember, in Gen. Abraham had a son, Ismael, with a maidservant, which shouldn't have happened, and then Issac, with Sarah, as it should have been, and because of this, those two were to be at war for all time, and they have been. The muslims see it as their birthright being stolen twice, 1st with Ismael, again with Esau.

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Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him: and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethern."**

!!!!Church!!!!

Hosea 13:4-15, 14:1

Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: For there is no saviour beside me. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. There I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wil beast shall tear them.

O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and they judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. The iniquity of E'-phra-im is bound up; his sin is hid. The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of children. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O Grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an eat wind shall come the wind of the Lord shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his founatin shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels. O Israel, return unto the Lord thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.

Hosea 10:12

Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow fround: for it is time to seek the Lord, til he come and rain righteousness upon you.

Hosea 11:3-7

I taught E'-phra-im also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them. I drew them with cords of a man with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them. He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his kind, because they refuse to return. And the sword shall abide on his cities, and shall consum his breahes, and devour them, because of their own counsels. And my people are bent to baksliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.

Hosea 12:6 Therefore turn thou to thy God: Keep mercy and judgement, and WAIT on thy God continually.

(This, my brother/ sister is to the church). It's time for us to humble ourselves and seek God.

Hosea 14:9 Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? Prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.

Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning.

Joel 3:9 &10 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; PREPARE WAR, WAKE UP THE MIGHTY MEN, LET ALL THE MEN OF WAR DRAW NEAR; LET THEM COME UP BEAT YOUR PLOWSHARES INTO SWORDS, AND YOUR PRUNINGHOOKS INTO SPEARS: LET THE WEAK SAY I AM STRONG. (The church is the Lord's Army. See Ezk 37:.)

God's inspired Word is deep, of couse it means more than just that too, the whole bible is Prophecy, If God said it, it's already done.





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For some utterly bizarre reason, this thread puts me in mind of Pan-Germanic propaganda videos about fertile Bavarian lasses giving birth to reliable European motor vehicles.

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This is hilarious!

I agree with xcarc. I dont know if i should take you all seriously or if this is some giant joke.

We have metro saying that the end of the world is coming because things have gotten worse... blah blah blah. So youve been around for a few thousand years to know that things have gotten worse. Humanity is always declining, natural disaters have always hapened. The homosexuality part was fuckin stupid, homosexuality has been around for ages it was supressed about 100 years ago or so by the church and now that its come back you think its a sign??? Corporations have been making up fucked up shit since the guns were invented. If you took a t.v back 1000 years with a power source and played something you would be hung for being a witch so how has that changed?

We have Beta69 anwsering logicaly and getting told by a group of dumbasses that his(?) wrong.

We have ate saying I can understnad you perfectly and i know what you mean and are thinking but YOU cant understand anything because your stupid. Mate a clear response was given to metros theory and all thats coming out of your mouth is you dont understand, your denying it because you dont see it. I think your denying that metro's a moron because you are one to.

And we have Tacit_Attack going on about love.

I rekon we turn this into a soap opera or something. make some cash. cause its friken hilarious.

Screw soap opera, just need some T&A and we have a hit primetime TV show.

Speaking of gays, although european culture for the last 2000 years has looked down on male homosexuals (often practicing it behind closed doors, kind of like how the catholic church looks down on molestation) lesbianism has often been celebrated. The famous oracle of delphi (among other oracles) was a lesbian commune and it was believed that the lesbianism gave the oracle part of her power.

Of course I'm sure the acceptance of gays is more evil than keeping slaves, mass genocide against natives or treating women as property. Since God apparently didn't strike people down then, but now that some people accept gays, the end is coming. Ha, nice way to portray your God. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

There are many mentions of 'the' Apocalypse in the bible. These are, to me, a symbol of the downfall of those who are pagans before God rather than a terrifying end to the current existance.



I espiacially like the Unfulfilled Prophecy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptic_literature

Long but its all there...

Kind of a minor thing that you'll either find interesting or annoying depending on your personality, but "apocalypse" technically doesn't have anything to do with the end of the world, it just means a kind of special prophecy/revelation that God has given to someone.

The real Biblical word for the end of the universe is "eschaton", although I can't say I've ever heard that word spoken out loud a single time in my entire life.

It's hard to say why the two words got confused, probably because the "eschaton" is biblically preceded by apocalyptic messages about it, or something to do with the last book in the Bible being the Book of Revelations, which finishes with a propechy about the end of the world (I'm not exactly familiar with it, but I remember Bill Hicks saying something about the "wacky fire and brimstone ending").

Oh well, as long as it doesn't involve Bruce Willis riding a rocketship to some arse end of the solar system I don't mind.

How dare you speak badly about bruce willis. Get off my planet.

Only if you sing the Aerosmith song during takeoff.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

christianity is now a sect of 30 different sects like mormonism judaism etc.

Right there you've proven yourself to be an idiot that shouldn't be listened to. This kind of ignorance makes me want to write a a long-winded blurb about why you're wrong, but no, I'm going to hold back this time.

No please, do so.

I may not have a degree in theology but I am at least intelligent enough to understand when things are wrong and knowing that Jesus is coming soon. My point is 3 major religions spawned from one place in the world. Does not that say something to you? Denial is an ugly thing and so is the self-God image you have for yourself. The ego destroys men and moves them farther away from God which in essence is love.

I don't really care for the naysayers in this thread the reason I want to post this is to talk about things further. If we all just ignore them I am absolutely sure they will go to another thread.

To the guy who defends the homosexual movement: Think of it this way. Thousands of years we have had homosexuality. It was never really frowned upon until we got more 'civilized'. But my point was, the recent legislation allowing gay marriage has opened a door to many other laws that can be instituted based on sheer popularity. Such an example would be if polygamy became popular and people started protesting that it is against the constitution not to marry more than one partner. Same arguement can be made and those who do not agree are treated like, well, homophobes.

Personally I am sick of the gay propaganda being spread all over the place brainwashing the next generation into thinking that if you do not like gays then you are ignorant.

How would you respond to something like that? Think about our actions now and the impact it has on the generation growing up in a midst of chaos, but not knowing what is really going on but being fed on the side through the 'education' system. Look at their idols! Britney spears! Angiulara! No decent female role models anywhere to be found. The training of a generation of whores who have so many conflicts because they feel like they shouldn't be doing this but on the other hand the TV is telling them its ok. Like I said in my previous post they do not make their own choices. In other words, they do not follow their heart. They are seduced by the temptation which now flourishes on television.

It is unimaginable what this does to their self-esteem which is why we may be seeing so many failed marriages (another arguement pro-gay marriage) because people are marrying for the wrong reasons.

There is a special unity between man and woman. Yin and yang. One without the other is devestating. What is happening now is the crippling of the women's role when it comes to the union. Women think that being liberated means fucking whoever they want and not feeling guilty. But who wants to marry a whore? Metaphorically speaking, the women will always look back at Sodom just as Lot's wife did. The undermining of family and love in an effort to disconnect us from what is truely important in life and instead focus' on worldly possesions such as the dollars and cents. This is a master plan in effect. I know its hard to see because we are kept so busy in our lives leaving us no time to really put things in perspective. If this is NOT a sign of the end days in the Christian sense, then society is crumbling exponentially faster just as the Romans' did and there is nothing that can be done because people have too much ego and pride to admit a mistake. We will LET the government implant that microchip. It WILL become required to function in society. It WILL become our wallet and the beast, my friends, IS the system. The number of the beast will be you.

You can see how you can go off on just one topic. I hope more people will have some input.

Please go back to your cave and leave us civilized folk alone Mr. Metro.

Nobody here is buying what your selling.

quote:My point is 3 major religions spawned from one place in the world.

So what? It's called the cradle of civilization for a reason, because civilization started and flourished there, who would have guessed religions would also start as well.

quote:Denial is an ugly thing and so is the self-God image you have for yourself.

Ad homs don't help your case. If you want to add to the wrongs of the world by attacking anyone who doesn't believe your prophecies, don't expect us to take you seriously.

quote:I don't really care for the naysayers in this thread the reason

Yep them evil naysayer poking holes in your claims. If they are true, why do you have to ignore the problems with them?

quote:the recent legislation allowing gay marriage has opened a door to many other laws that can be instituted based on sheer popularity.

This is called a slippery slope. Almost all laws are instituted based on sheer popularity. That has been the system long before gay marriage. This includes Gay marriage bans. I agree with you, popularity shouldn't be what drives a law, it should be what's right. Such as not discriminating against anyone.

Being a slippery slope you can always look back up the slope. I should point out that it is the acceptance of divorce, women's rights and interracial marriage that got us here. We should just take those things back.

quote:Personally I am sick of the gay propaganda being spread all over the place brainwashing the next generation into thinking that if you do not like gays then you are ignorant.

Did you know "gay propaganda" is actually a propaganda term of it's own by the anti gay movement? Yes, how dare people damage our good world by asking for equality, we should just ship all them colored people back to aferka where they belong. Oh you were talking about gays, not black, I almost didn't realize. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Look at their idols! Britney spears! Angiulara! No decent female role models anywhere to be found.

You only named two famous slutty singers, maybe you should look harder (for more role models, not at their boobs). I agree there are too few and many don't give the right message, but no role models? I don't think so.

quote:It is unimaginable what this does to their self-esteem which is why we may be seeing so many failed marriages (another arguement pro-gay marriage) because people are marrying for the wrong reasons

I agree, people do marry for the wrong reasons. But guess what? Besides the famous quick marriage/divorce town of Las Vegas the bible belt holds the highest divorce rate of the country. Not evil pro gay marriage supporting pagans, but christians who have more failed marriages. Many believe it's because they get married for the wrong reasons or have stricter roles they are expected to keep.

quote:The undermining of family and love in an effort to disconnect us from what is truely important in life and instead focus' on worldly possesions such as the dollars and cents.

I agree here too. When you tell people who love each other that someone's religion says they are evil so they can't get married or adopt children it effects family and love. Christian groups who claim they are for the family and God but focus on the money that comes in.

quote:We will LET the government implant that microchip.

Maybe. All it might take is another terrorist attack and the majority of people will fall in line. Of course the majority of americans are christian and the majority doesn't support gay rights. Maybe the majority is wrong.



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quote:So quoth xcarc:

hell>heaven with people like you

There, that's my honest opinion.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

Stop dissproving and come up with something on your own. Be brave enough to state your preference to hell, at least we have shown ourselves, now it's your turn.



You have no grasp of what it means to have an argument, obviously. Disproving claims IS coming up with something. Are you going to come up with anything other than whining and grand demands of surrender? Are you 12 or just a walking mental disorder?

Say something genuine? It's up to you.

The one truth is that we honestly don't have to do anything. We've won. It's done and there's nothing more we need to do to be better except try and help somebody else. It's hard to do when you deal with people like this. But the truth still remains that we will remain with the same unchanged beliefs when the end actually does come, and you who will want to live will have to change your heart. Everyone constantly rejects everything thrown at them as if they actually would find more joy in knowing that the world is doomed to hell, there is no god, and we are all gonna die. At least come out and be brave enough to say it, and don't just sit in the back of the crowd and yell bullshit everytime someone says something.



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All laws are NOT based on popularity. All laws under any nation is dictated by the majority religion and their respective holy book. What is happening here is the disconnection between the Bible (which all modern laws are based upon. Read: the ten commandments) and federal law. What that means is, your nation no longer trusts in God but rather cater to a demographic to get elected. Canada, where I'm from, is the same thing.

In other words, there are no moral guidlines. Its a sinking ship we're on. I am by no means intolerant to gays in fact I don't really care because by my logic if it is truely a choice then it is a sin. If it is genetic, it is not. But at the same time the more gays get together the less they are able to reproduce their kind and will ultimately erradicate themselves from the planet due to their flawed evloutionary trait that has followed mankind since whenever.

So its not really a debatable topic.

I don't know why my topics always turn into gay shit..

Anyway, all i said was that gay marriage has opened a door that cannot be closed. And it was prophesized that the world will become like that of Noah's.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

All laws are NOT based on popularity. All laws under any nation is dictated by the majority religion and their respective holy book.

You obviously know nothing of the continental European or American legal systems. Though the nations of the Commonwealth have a legal system (common law) derived from ecclesiastical law, those legal systems derived from the laws of the secular Roman states (civil law) are based on non-objective contractual agreements between individual and state.

All of continental Europe, Japan, the USA (which uses an analogue of the French legal system) and any number of other nations use legal systems that are a product of these irreligious Roman contracts, and thus have absolutely nothing to do with the Bible (or any other religious text for that matter).

quote:Originally posted by metro:

I don't know why my topics always turn into gay shit..

Because you talk out of your ass instead of your brain

quote:Originally posted by metro:

All laws are NOT based on popularity. All laws under any nation is dictated by the majority religion and their respective holy book.

That sounds like popularity to me. The US hasn't based it's laws on only the bible in a long time. Just where does the bible say divorce is ok? What about mass genocide? What about segregation?

quote:Originally posted by metro:

(which all modern laws are based upon. Read: the ten commandments) and federal law.

Plenty of people seem to be confused and claim the federal government is based on the ten commandments. So let's look at the Commandments.

1)I am the Lord your God"

Not a law

2) "You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

Not laws.

3)"You shalt not swear falsely by the name of the Lord..."

Not exactly a law, although there are some profanity laws.

4)"Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"

Not a law. There are some places that close or don't sell liquor on the Sabbath but that isn't keeping it holy.

5) "Honor your father and your mother..."

Not a law.

6) "You shall not murder"

Yep, that's a law.

7) "You shall not commit adultery"

Not a law.

8) "You shall not steal"

Yep, that's a law.

9) "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"

Only a law in court.

10) "You shall not covet your neighbor's house"

Not a law.

So, there are two commandments that are laws and two that are partial laws. 3/10. Yep, laws are really based on the 10 commandments. Now, show me which of those 4 are christian only beliefs that aren't part of any other non abrahamic religion.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

What that means is, your nation no longer trusts in God but rather cater to a demographic to get elected.

It has done that from the begin. Please pay attention in history class. One of the reasons the US was formed was to escape theocracy rule.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

But at the same time the more gays get together the less they are able to reproduce their kind and will ultimately erradicate themselves from the planet due to their flawed evloutionary trait

But wait, shouldn't Gays getting together be a good thing then?

So far no one knows what causes homosexuality, because of that it is quite possible it is one or multiple recessive traits. Because someone can carry a recessive trait but not display that trait it is more complicated than you make it.

quote:Originally posted by metro:

Anyway, all i said was that gay marriage has opened a door that cannot be closed. And it was prophesized that the world will become like that of Noah's.

How has gay marriage opened a door that a hundred other sins in our past didn't?

It seems the only door gay marriage has opened is that of bigotry from many christian groups. Groups that are willing to put their personal beliefs above God and to declare gays the ultimate sin, even if they have to lie and sin to do it.

Your prophesy is flawed or God is a liar. In the bible he says the world will never again become like Noah's.



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quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

That sounds like popularity to me. The US hasn't based it's laws on only the bible in a long time. Just where does the bible say divorce is ok? What about mass genocide? What about segregation?

The USA never based its laws upon the Bible in the first place. For the love of God, people, LEARN TO READ.

quote:Originally posted by Doomsayer:

The end times are nigh. Ours is deserved damnation.

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To quote the simpsons...

You Sir are a Moron.

But, ate, metro because you to are the only ones screwed enough in the head to think the end of the world is coming ill make ya a bet.

If the world ends in the next 25 years,

Ill give ya both a thousand dollars.

quote:Originally posted by Fai1safe:

To quote the simpsons...

You Sir are a Moron.

But, ate, metro because you to are the only ones screwed enough in the head to think the end of the world is coming ill make ya a bet.

If the world ends in the next 25 years,

Ill give ya both a thousand dollars.

i sure hope you don't handle money for a living, cause you can't even count.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

You're not going to stay around long enough to keep that bet. Boom, I win.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO really??? I thought i would. Damn that recks my plans...

http://www.bible.com/answers/abeast.html

If you read it thoroughly it pretty much explains almost if not everything we're debating and puts in into a proper perspective.

You can't just look at how evil the world is, you have to look at the fulfillment of prophecies. I would list them, just search on google n lots of sites should have which ones were fulfilled n not. One of the significant ones that were fulfilled was Isreal becoming a nation again.

I think now we have to look for the mosque in Jerusalem to be destroyed n rebuilt or something.