I know it's wrong to question authority, but is it wrong to reason? Not to question authority, but to reason? I'm not reasoning God, I'm well beyond that. The thing I do reason, is the human mind. How it functions, (and how it doesn't). Ect. I know If I have questions I turn to God, but I want to know, what of Man? It's apparent that everything the bible says about man is true, but why? There are people who just really are so full of hate and anger, and try to inflict that on others, and it really shows. I use to be like this, but I think at times, I forget what I was thinking and why I was like that. I think Philosophy helps us come to an understanding of how we are. That's seeking our own, though. Anyways I'm so scatter-brained right now on this subject it just isn't even close to funny.

Atheists and Christians, alike, what do yall think?

I want to say this too, we aren't really different, we just see things differently but we're still human. Yea, so Quit arguing about being human.

No, it isn't evil

quote:If I have questions I turn to God

Does God put thoughts in your mind? I mean when you ask a question, he "inserts" the answer? or do you mean, by reading The Bible?

quote:Originally posted by Axiom:

Does God put thoughts in your mind? I mean when you ask a question, he "inserts" the answer? or do you mean, by reading The Bible?

Sometimes, and I know it's God when it lines up with his WORD, which is the bible. Answer the question. I didn't ask you to answer my question with a question.

I'd like to hear how you reasoned god. How do you reason something you can't see, here, touch or that hasn't left any evidence to prove it's existence. I sure hope you don't think philosophers are evil because they most likely wrote your bible

Yea... thinking is evil. If we all just listened to the God-inspired truth of the Bible we'd be better off.

Viva La Dark Ages!

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I know it's wrong to question authority, but is it wrong to reason? Not to question authority, but to reason? I'm not reasoning God, I'm well beyond that. The thing I do reason, is the human mind. How it functions, (and how it doesn't). Ect. I know If I have questions I turn to God, but I want to know, what of Man? It's apparent that everything the bible says about man is true, but why? There are people who just really are so full of hate and anger, and try to inflict that on others, and it really shows. I use to be like this, but I think at times, I forget what I was thinking and why I was like that. I think Philosophy helps us come to an understanding of how we are. That's seeking our own, though. Anyways I'm so scatter-brained right now on this subject it just isn't even close to funny.

Atheists and Christians, alike, what do yall think?

I want to say this too, we aren't really different, we just see things differently but we're still human. Yea, so Quit arguing about being human.



1. Questioning authority is what a free society is all about

2. Rationality is the basis of critical thinking

3. Do you have AIM or something I'd like to discuss theology with you

PS This is kind of a stupid topic

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Sometimes, and I know it's God when it lines up with his WORD, which is the bible. Answer the question. I didn't ask you to answer my question with a question.

I asked my question because I don't know what "Turn to God" means...

You see, If i have a question I turn to google... I seek the information without the established censorship of the church, with the free will that makes me human... God would only tell you what’s right, without you reasoning why... Meaning, you're always stuck turning to him like a heroin addict that needs a spoon... Never wrong however...

He shovels you more righteousness, you're comfortable and at ease... Free.., to only ever rely on him... If you don't turn to yourself once in a while you cannot reason with people who don't believe in your God...

Which is where Christianity is today... God created 4 Billion Muslims on this Earth as well... They also turn to God and are always right...

And us Atheists sit in the middle of your shit-fights knowing that we haven’t learnt enough yet to be correct... But knowing that been always right is incredibly floored...

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

1. Questioning authority is what a free society is all about

2. Rationality is the basis of critical thinking

3. Do you have AIM or something I'd like to discuss theology with you

PS This is kind of a stupid topic



I know it is. It's just what was going on in my mind. I love philosophy, but it's what lead me to questioning God, and turning from him at first, then again it lead me back to him. I'm just not sure if it would start the cycle all over again if I began to read what I did again, or not.

No, but I have yahoo. Revivedcreation, would be the screenname.

quote:Originally posted by Axiom:

I asked my question because I don't know what "Turn to God" means...

You see, If i have a question I turn to google... I seek the information without the established censorship of the church, with the free will that makes me human... God would only tell you what’s right, without you reasoning why... Meaning, you're always stuck turning to him like a heroin addict that needs a spoon... Never wrong however...

He shovels you more righteousness, you're comfortable and at ease... Free.., to only ever rely on him... If you don't turn to yourself once in a while you cannot reason with people who don't believe in your God...

Which is where Christianity is today... God created 4 Billion Muslims on this Earth as well... They also turn to God and are always right...

And us Atheists sit in the middle of your shit-fights knowing that we haven’t learnt enough yet to be correct... But knowing that been always right is incredibly floored...

If that's how you see it. I don't generalize people, and I don't think you should generalize Christianity, but you should judge the church you attend according to the word of God, by the fruits, not the people. When you generalize like that, I think religious people, and religious people fight amongst themselves. I've seen chuches split, I've seen religions fight, and kill, all in the name of God, but if you know God's word, you know it isn't of God. I understand what you're saying, I've been there, I just don't want to go back to that place.

Do I get comfort from believeing God? Absolutley. It's better than what I got from the people of this world.

For the church, for the people of the world..

I can't begin to fathom how one could travel down a road for so long, and not see that they're going in the wrong direction. You'd figure, after seeing it's the wrong direction, they'd go another direction. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same, is a truth. People think that we've come such a long way. Our technology has improved, but the people are the same. People always tend to fall back into their own ways. I hope for change, I really do, but it's hard to keep the faith when you see what you see, and feel helpless when it comes to doing something about it.

So many people hurt man, and I'm just a fool who thinks I can fix what's broken, and even though I know I can't, I try, and I fail, and each time, a piece of me is chipped away. I feel so much pain, and it isn't my own, I just try to make it my own, if you understand. This world has drifted so far away from the realm of truth, and back into the ways of old that lead to no where. I'm almost tempted to say, Humanity is on a downhill spiral on the path of nothingness, but I have to believe for something better, something more, something different, a change. I don't see people as groups, I see them as a hurting people.

Just look around you, man. What do you see?



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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I know it's wrong to question authority

I beg your pardon?

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

baa baa baa baa

Is it wrong... to reason?

That's one hell of a nasty trick, having a God who gave you a brain you're not supposed to use, isn't it?

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Is it wrong... to reason?

That's one hell of a nasty trick, having a God who gave you a brain you're not supposed to use, isn't it?

Man couldn't use it before the whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil incident.

quote:Originally posted by imperfectcircle:

My God, man, you almost killed me there! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) I laughed so hard I cried. I'm still chuckling.

As for the original topic... how could philosophy possibly be evil? Some of my theist friends think it's useless - which is almost as bad - but I've not heard anyone accuse it of being evil. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

What is your question?

Don't ask god, ask me.

I answer in writing.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I'm not reasoning God, I'm well beyond that.



You've already refuted any evidence we could possibly give that does not agree with your opinion.

Apart from social criticising(sp?), religion is the most important aspect of all philosophy, man. And reasoning god could very well be possible. Philosophy is all about using your own mind and...dare I say it, questioning authority.

I remember you, in a discussion about two months ago you said

"I don't believe in God, I KNOW in him"

Let me tell you why you "know in God". You know in him because your parents told you to, because your mother, the same woman who made a, quite frankly pathetic attempt of refuting all the atheist's arguments by claiming that evolution theory had already been disproven.

I have no problem with christians, muslims, jews, hell whatever. I have problems with people like you who never even question their faith. Really, extensively study all other religions. You will never be able to prove that you are right and they are wrong.

I beg you, question your faith, extensively, if you still find yourself believing in your bible afterwards, you will have proven yourself to be a real follower of God. He gave you a brain right? Start using it and think for yourself.

HellzShellz:

Every time you make a decision, you base it on a particular set of values and principles. You do so because of your religion.

The religion you choose to believe in is a conscious process you partake in on a daily basis.

Your religion, ultimately, is your philosophy.

[NOTE: to avoid an 8-month back-and-forth quarrel with Rust on the fallacy of such a claim, I'll use the Venn cop-out to say that the inversion of that last statement is not automatically true.]

I said, "I'm WELL beyond that". I don't think yall even read what I first said. Ignorance is bliss, but whatever. My questions AREN'T with God, my questions are with the WAYS of man. Humanity.

It is wrong to question God, if you question God, you're doubting God. Doubt doesn't come FROM GOD. I KNOW in God, because I've experienced him, and if I told you how, you'd think me insane. I could care less, but It's like peeing in the wind. I'm not going to do it.

So I have my answer, but it isn't God I question, it's Humanity. God was the first I questioned, and turned back to. Read post, before typing.



This thread can be closed.

Questioning God is never evil. In your eyes, denying your God would be evil, but to have doubts is not. God did not create something sentient and capable of thought for the sole intention of letting them stare blankly at him with smiles on their faces, he built them to commune with him and interact, like an everlasting child to an everlasting father. God loves it when you are with him and when you turn to him equally as much, but, like any father, he does not want his children to stop growing. For someone who has seen God's word, you should know this. His eternal love cannot be revoked, only denied.

Philosophy can also never be evil. To trust in man is to trust in your brother. It only can be evil (to you, I must remind you of my pantheism here) when it denies your God. The Bible does not cover every aspect of life. It covers only those that are most improtant to holding a spiritual life. You are left to fill in the gaps as you wish (hence, the splitting of the church into a billion pieces). Philosophy is simply a way to fill in those gaps.

And I agree, you should expose yourself to and seriously study many more religions. Know your soul. Test your soul. If and when you return to God, you will be more knowledgable, a better holy warrior (not in the physical sense, of course), and more devout than you could every know. If you do not do so, it is simply out of fear of losing your God. To trust in him completely is to walk into dark places and never fear, for he is watching you. If you still believe that all other religions are evil, you will see the shining brilliant lights of your God in far brighter colors than you could know.

Good luck and godspeed. The journey is important one for everyone, even in this pantheist's eyes.

quote:So I have my answer, but it isn't God I question, it's Humanity.

Thats your problem - you assume that your God exists and then you become stumped at the nature of humanity.

Here's your answer, give up you belief in the fairy tale and the answers you seek about humanity become clear.

I feel its best you get your answers directly from God... The bible cannot be his word... As it is scribed in a human language which isn't nearly precise enough to be an exact fact... It's conversion from God speech to Human understandable language causes it to be compromised, as you see the damage and segregation that has occurred after further interpretation of this book by other humans...

Having said that however, when you question God about Humanity, your answer lies within yourself and your community... He can only show you were to look, as to maintain your free will...

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I said, "I'm WELL beyond that". I don't think yall even read what I first said. Ignorance is bliss, but whatever. My questions AREN'T with God, my questions are with the WAYS of man. Humanity.

It is wrong to question God, if you question God, you're doubting God. Doubt doesn't come FROM GOD. I KNOW in God, because I've experienced him, and if I told you how, you'd think me insane.



You don't really listen, do you? As stated by the pantheistic poster, who in my opinion actually understands why a god would of given us minds to think for ourselves, posted: it is never wrong to doubt and question god. If you take everything the bible or "he" says, you're bordering fanaticism(sp?). What kind of a hypocrite would your god be if he would of given you a mind and then said: you can't think about ME though! Everything the bible says is fact!

Come on man, you should be smarter than that. A god would respect one who actually thinks about things and then turns back to him, not just someone who was religious because his momma told him to be, because, you can't deny this: if your mother and father would of been muslims, you would never dare to doubt the word of allah. Yet you are born christian, so allah is a fairy tale, right?

HellzShellz:

If, on all matters of spiritual and psychological confusion and conflict, you accept no other authority than the word of God... why are you asking Totse a question like this?

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I know it's wrong to question authority

This is brilliant! I'm saving this, and will quote it every time I see you arguing with a mod.

The world functions on probablity equasions, which people call god, so I'll give you one.

Ignorance = bliss. Apathy = ignorance. Apathy is the glove that evil slips it's hand into. Therefore, by acheiving bliss through ignorance, you are displaying apathy and becoming a tool for evil. So what does this say about a church that has taught you bliss through ignorance? Church = evil.

Now look at the bible. The bible is a good book of morals and nothing more, but still a good book. The overtone of the bible to me was that it's merely guidelines to avoid personal and global hell, and to choose happiness and peace instead. The apocalypse is the eventuality of the world if people do nothing to help their fellow man. Large sections of the old and new testiment are missing. I believe that these were the parts that put emphasis of criticizing the church, for not being faithful to the guidelines, possibly going to the extent of saying organized religion and churches should never be formed upon the bible.

The bible is essentially the equasions of god, and divine men. Religion was a creation of man, so that the powerful could use these divine equations to create a society without question to allow them to rule unquestioned. The bible gives you the tools to live your life right, not to tell others how to live. If Christians really beleived in what they preach, they'd spend their money and sunday building a house for a needy family, not sitting in a building giving money to a church that is already outfitted with enough wealth and power. Last year, Churches in Canada collected more money than than the government did in taxes. Ponder that for a while.

I live my life without having any mortal sins, but I reject all organized religion on the basis that they can use power derived from good to fund evil.

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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

There are people who just really are so full of hate and anger, and try to inflict that on others, and it really shows.

No fucking kidding, you piece of worthless unlife. (http://www.synclinalllun.net/img/IMG_0151.JPG)

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

No fucking kidding, you piece of worthless unlife. (http://www.synclinalllun.net/img/IMG_0151.JPG)

Thats a cool knife.

quote:Originally posted by Kati:

Thats a cool knife.

Yea, it is, but I wonder if I'm supposed to be afraid of it?

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Yea, it is, but I wonder if I'm supposed to be afraid of it?

Wow, you seem tough. Tough enough to be fucking polite enough to reply to my post? I had the decency to reply to your half-assed topic.

Pretty please?

At the highest metaphysical level, there is no difference betwween "good" and "evil.' They are essentially meaningless terms, which most people use to arbitrarily denote that which they approve, or do not, approve of.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

At the highest metaphysical level, there is no difference betwween "good" and "evil.' They are essentially meaningless terms, which most people use to arbitrarily denote that which they approve, or do not, approve of.

Yea... so good and evil is relative, I can say that and I'm not even at "the highest metaphysical level".

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

Wow, you seem tough. Tough enough to be fucking polite enough to reply to my post? I had the decency to reply to your half-assed topic.

Pretty please?

Since you asked so nicely. It isn't wrong to think. If you know WOMEN, you know women reason every single decision they make, while men just do it. However, would it be wrong, or stupid, for me to sit there and begin to question Laws of Physics?

It would be pretty senseless, right? Why? Because it stands on a firm, unquestionable foundation. As for questioning, I wouldn't say it's wrong, because it we didn't question we'd never know, but if we don't further question other people, then we'd just take their line of questioning and theory with that. I find it senseless to question God, though. Why? I have no reason to question God again. Everything I questioned before I came back to him, I found answers to, which are spiritual. Spiritual answers are something, you would question, but I wouldn't.

I've already questioned God, for four years of my life. I'm not going back, I'm moving foward.

You said in your first post "I know it's wrong to question authority."

You always change the subject whenever your caught being wrong about something.

You, HellzShellz, are ignorant. You can't really accept the fact that you could be wrong, because if that were the case, you're entire world would collapse. You would realise that you have lived a lie your whole life. You don't even know what other religions could possibly offer you. How many religions have you actually studied? I mean thoroughly studied? From all your posts that I read, I can safely assume it to be only one.

Ugh... I just want you to acknowledge the fact that you could possible be wrong. Because, tell me, what guarantee do you have that your god actually exists?

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

You said in your first post "I know it's wrong to question authority."

You always change the subject whenever your caught being wrong about something.

You, HellzShellz, are ignorant. You can't really accept the fact that you could be wrong, because if that were the case, you're entire world would collapse. You would realise that you have lived a lie your whole life. You don't even know what other religions could possibly offer you. How many religions have you actually studied? I mean thoroughly studied? From all your posts that I read, I can safely assume it to be only one.

Ugh... I just want you to acknowledge the fact that you could possible be wrong. Because, tell me, what guarantee do you have that your god actually exists?

Look dude, it's 'wrong' to question authority in the sense that doubt doesn't come from God. 1st of all, What I, as a Christian am taught, is that the devil can't read your mind, but he can hear what you say to other people other than God, and that the Devil CAN place thoughts in your mind, but it's UP TO YOU, to think on the things he puts there, or fight what he says with, "IT IS WRITTEN".

I could tell you so much, but I couldn't make you believe what I tell you. Just as God can give you truth, his word, written over thousands of years, but he can't make you believe it. This is where FAITH comes in to play. The just shall LIVE BY FAITH.

Moses didn't see the land God promised his people, flowing with milk and honey, but he BELIEVED God, and knew God wasn't a liar, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Say whatever you want. There are things I know that I know that I know, that I can't make you know. Things I don't know, that you can't tell me.

Being that what I BELIEVE requires faith (the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN), and what you don't believe, doesn't. Why don't you PROVE TO ME, God doesn't exist? My proof is faith. What's yours?

Added: Better yet, Go try to blow up an abortion building, as to question the law on earth, and see if it holds up in court when you're judged within the confines of the law. Then say, "I just wanted to see if it were wrong to question authority or not".

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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Being that what I BELIEVE requires faith (the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN), and what you don't believe, doesn't. Why don't you PROVE TO ME, God doesn't exist? My proof is faith. What's yours?



The "you can't prove I'm wrong" angle is a horrid argument. It's up to the theist to prove the existence of a supreme being.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." ~ Carl Sagan

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Being that what I BELIEVE requires faith (the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN), and what you don't believe, doesn't. Why don't you PROVE TO ME, God doesn't exist? My proof is faith. What's yours?

Burden of proof, sweetheart.

Hellz, what you talking about?

You think "questioning authority"

is equal to blowing people up?

Doubt comes from the devil,

but you "fight the thoughts

he puts in your head"?

You "know that you know" things

that you just have "faith" in?

Oh sorry, don't read those.

That would be almost like

asking the questions yourself.

Get the eye soap!

You are getting emotional. I hold no disdain toawrds you, but your actions are certainly not becoming of a religious person. Always act with rationality and calmness. Capitalizing and other forms of attention grabbers on key words is an emotional ploy of pathos. Now, try it with your mind instead of your bleeding heart.

PHILOSOPHY IS EVIL, YOU WILL ALL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!!! THE END OF DAYS IS COMING, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR LOVING FAGGOTS AND NIGGERS!!! WE MUST KILL FAGGOTS AND NIGGERS, THEY ARE A STAIN ON THE EARTH!!!

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Sometimes, and I know it's God when it lines up with his WORD, which is the bible. Answer the question. I didn't ask you to answer my question with a question.



he asked you a question, dont get so angry when someone questions your theories**bullshit- cough -bullshit**

stop thinking that its even remotely bad to question teaching and the etcetera. thats why youre a christian\catholic, you dont question things

quote:Originally posted by Gorloche:

You are getting emotional. I hold no disdain toawrds you, but your actions are certainly not becoming of a religious person. Always act with rationality and calmness. Capitalizing and other forms of attention grabbers on key words is an emotional ploy of pathos. Now, try it with your mind instead of your bleeding heart.

After this post, I'm not saying anything else on here.

Hahahaha.. Ahh whatever man. That's what I don't like about society. As soon as you take on the title 'christian' people set you at a higher standard. Don't set standards for me. I'm just as human as you are, and I will NOT be perfect until Christ comes back. Then, and only then, will I be like him. It's one thing to show emotion, it's another to let emotion rule you.

Quite honestly, I'm not mad. Because I said what I knew to say doesn't make me angry. It's just funny, when you ask someone who lives a life by faith, why?

It's a given God's there, with me. What isn't a given with me, is where his path leads, here, on THIS EARTH. Because I get caught up in the, "Why me? Why can't someone else do it? Isn't there someone out there better than me?" Faith in God and trusting God, are together, but different.

It's harder for a human, to put all of their trust in GOD, and know that God knows what he's doing, because he does, than it is to try and take things into your own hands and deal with it out of the flesh. It's easier to rely on self. It's also easy to say you trust God, until you're put in a situation where you don't know which way is up and which way is down.

So um yea. Don't set stardards for me, or those like me. That's the problem, yall look at the church, humans, who aren't perfect, and not Christ, who was and is perfect.

"Oh my goodness, did that 'Christian' just pee outside!?!" *+Rolls eyes+*

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Look dude, it's 'wrong' to question authority in the sense that doubt doesn't come from God. 1st of all, What I, as a Christian am taught, is that the devil can't read your mind, but he can hear what you say to other people other than God, and that the Devil CAN place thoughts in your mind, but it's UP TO YOU, to think on the things he puts there, or fight what he says with, "IT IS WRITTEN".

I could tell you so much, but I couldn't make you believe what I tell you. Just as God can give you truth, his word, written over thousands of years, but he can't make you believe it. This is where FAITH comes in to play. The just shall LIVE BY FAITH.

Moses didn't see the land God promised his people, flowing with milk and honey, but he BELIEVED God, and knew God wasn't a liar, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Say whatever you want. There are things I know that I know that I know, that I can't make you know. Things I don't know, that you can't tell me.

Being that what I BELIEVE requires faith (the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN), and what you don't believe, doesn't. Why don't you PROVE TO ME, God doesn't exist? My proof is faith. What's yours?

Added: Better yet, Go try to blow up an abortion building, as to question the law on earth, and see if it holds up in court when you're judged within the confines of the law. Then say, "I just wanted to see if it were wrong to question authority or not".



Oh yes, we find flaws in your arguments, and then you tell us you won't post here again. Wow that is very mature of you I must say.

Also, all your arguments in your post I quoted are false because:

You base your assumptions on the bible. Why? Because you say it is the word of God.

Then, why is it the word of God? Because you say it is in the bible.

You are ignorant. You don't even understand a single metaphor(sp?) in the bible. The "Devil" doesn't exist. They are refering to your inner demons. You have to cope with your own darker side, fool.

You are the worst christian I have ever seen. People like you, ignorant and arrogant as they are, are the reason people dislike religion.

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

Oh yes, we find flaws in your arguments, and then you tell us you won't post here again. Wow that is very mature of you I must say.

Also, all your arguments in your post I quoted are false because:

You base your assumptions on the bible. Why? Because you say it is the word of God.

Then, why is it the word of God? Because you say it is in the bible.

You are ignorant. You don't even understand a single metaphor(sp?) in the bible. The "Devil" doesn't exist. They are refering to your inner demons. You have to cope with your own darker side, fool.

You are the worst christian I have ever seen. People like you, ignorant and arrogant as they are, are the reason people dislike religion.

No buddy, I don't want to argue with you. It's senseless, because it's a matter of crossing over from what you reason, and stepping into the realm of FAITH.

You go to bed at night, plan for tomorrow, then you have faith, just not in an abundance. Why? Because even though you don't know tomorrow is going to come, you're planning for it to come. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for, and the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN. You haven't seen tomorrow, but you're planning for it, because you're claiming tomorrow as it is coming,and planning for it as though it already has come. Although you have no certainty it's going to come.

Not even an atheist can say they are without faith.

Added Out of LOVE: P.S. You can cope with my rear end.

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You know, discussions with you seem neverending, because you just change arguments whenever you make a new post. What the hell does tomorrow have to do with believing in God. You see, for millenia, people have witnessed tomorrows. However, is there any proof for your god? Oh wait yes, your "faith" should be more than enough proof for us.

Wait, no it shouldn't. The fact remains that you're simply an arrogant person. You think you will convince people by using cheap metaphors? You really don't make any sense whatsoever. I state again: the only reason "God exists" is because you were told so. You're simply brainwashed. You claim you feel him around you? Wake up, you don't have nearly enough knowledge of other religions to make a claim that you could be correct.

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

You know, discussions with you seem neverending, because you just change arguments whenever you make a new post. What the hell does tomorrow have to do with believing in God. You see, for millenia, people have witnessed tomorrows. However, is there any proof for your god? Oh wait yes, your "faith" should be more than enough proof for us.

Wait, no it shouldn't. The fact remains that you're simply an arrogant person. You think you will convince people by using cheap metaphors? You really don't make any sense whatsoever. I state again: the only reason "God exists" is because you were told so. You're simply brainwashed. You claim you feel him around you? Wake up, you don't have nearly enough knowledge of other religions to make a claim that you could be correct.

See!!! You can't read or something?!?!?!?!?! I was talking about faith, White boy/girl!! (Don't hate I'm white too). Oh come on, We both know that's introspective. QUIT CALLING ME ARROGANT! I don't plan on being this way forever.

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends.

You know, it's kind of funny, I knew you were going to say something back. Do you really want the last word, that bad? Or do you want to continue to provoke me because you get some pleasure out of me desiring the last word too? I'll admit too, you're persistant, and It's funny.

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Well since we both keep posting, you can't really go calling me names and saying I act childish by wanting to have the last word, can you? It's funny, you changed your point AGAIN. In fact, you don't even have a point anymore, you've just taken on patronising me. Oh gn0. Funny how in all of your threads you just change attitude because all of your arguments are obviously flawed. Ok then, this will be my last post. Just remember, it's people like you and your mother that give good christians a bad name.

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quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

Well since we both keep posting, you can't really go calling me names and saying I act childish by wanting to have the last word, do you? It's funny, you changed your point AGAIN. In fact, you don't even have a point anymore, you've just taken on patronising me. Oh gn0. Funny how in all of your threads you just change attitude because all of your arguments are obviously flawed. Ok then, this will be my last post. Just remember, it's people like you and your mother that give good christians a bad name.



This whole thread was a mistake. I asked you all a question I got the answer to without your input. So the Original questioning of the thread is dead. It's gone, I'm not Jumping on you, I'm joking around. Because it's dead. All that's left is you and I trying to get the last word. If you want it, you can have it. Do you want it that bad?

If you really would like for me to attempt to answer your questions. Hit me up on yahoo, revivedcreation. I'll be more than happy to go one on one with you.

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post pics plz

quote:Originally posted by imperfectcircle:

post pics plz

It's on my yahoo profile.

evil is the opposite of pure right? so then it would have nothing to do with good, so good and bad would the be eachothers opposites, but part of evil, becuase pure isn't corrupted and evil is? so good and bad are evil?

quote:Originally posted by shartitude:

evil is the opposite of pure right? so then it would have nothing to do with good, so good and bad would the be eachothers opposites, but part of evil, becuase pure isn't corrupted and evil is? so good and bad are evil?

Well, in a sense, Yes. You can sin and not know it, and not be sinning. Jesus said, sin isn't sin unless you know it's sin, in different words. When you know it's sin, then you are willfully sinning. Without the law, there is no sin. The law isn't sin, but it shows us what sin is. Jesus said, "Had I not spoke the words I've spoke, and showed the signs I've shown, they'd be without sin, but now they have no cloak for their sin."

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

However, would it be wrong, or stupid, for me to sit there and begin to question Laws of Physics?

It would be pretty senseless, right? Why? Because it stands on a firm, unquestionable foundation.

I think it's perfectly sensible to question the laws of physics. How do you think we developed them in the first place?

What about first questioning whether the Earth is really flat? How idiotic! What kind of obtuse person would do that, as it appears completely obvious that it is flat? By the reasoning of some, there is no need to look further because at first glance that explanation seems to work just fine. However, someone questioned the stupidly obvious. And found that it was stupid and wrong rather than stupid and obvious.

So, I beleive there is no such thing as an unquestionable foundation and that nothing is above questioning and thinking about. The more important the matter is to you, the more you should question it. Why not question, unless you fear what answers you may receive?