So, I was reading on the subject that the three major monothesistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) might possibly worship the same god. Several sites I found said that many of the most learned people of each religion (I mean like, bishops, ulama etc.) agree that they worship the same god.

Wouldn't that mean that humen made a mistake somewhere between the founding of Judaism and the founding on Christianity and God had to send a new prophet? And wouldn't that mean that humen made another mistake (we're having a really good record here) between the founding on Christianity and the founding of Islam? By that logic, wouldn't Islam be the way to go?

Just because they worship the same god does not mean they are the same. There are many differences between the religions that each believer would not budge on.

Sorry man, but if it were that easy, people'd live in perfect harmony.

-Val

They all worship the same abrahamic God but that doesn't mean their texts are from God and valid. Mormons also worship the same God but aren't exactly christian.

Read The History of God by Karen Armstrong. It explores the connections between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Muslims believes in the same people like Moses, Adam, Jesus, and they believe the Torah and New Testament used to be correct, but are now corrupted. Its not really the same religion.

Hey, Val, I was just wondering...The first time I ever saw you post was a while a go, but you were suddenly a moderator and posting everywhere? WTF?

What it means it that all three are more or less fucked up.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

What it means it that all three are more or less fucked up.

Haha. It means either:

Judaeism is right.

Islam is right.

Christianity is right.

All three are wrong and we really are fucked.

There isn't one religion, there is one God.



The Jews brached off into two. The Samaritans, and the Jews. The Jews believed that you were to worship God in the temple, whereas the Samaritans believed you were to Worship God in the mountain.

Jesus said, "You shall worship God in spirit and in truth".

Um, YEAH we all worship the same God, but Jesus said, "NO MAN comes to THE FATHER, but BY ME".



The Muslims are descendents of Ishmael, and Esau. They're still of Abraham's seed, but Ishmael is still at war against Issac, as Esau is with Jacob.



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All three are wrong.

We've been fucked for a long time.

quote:Originally posted by tolnam:

Wouldn't that mean that humen made a mistake somewhere between the founding of Judaism and the founding on Christianity and God had to send a new prophet? And wouldn't that mean that humen made another mistake (we're having a really good record here) between the founding on Christianity and the founding of Islam? By that logic, wouldn't Islam be the way to go?

The Bible stated that all Scripture is God-breathed. Stating that God is capable of making mistakes is tantamount to saying that God is limited and imperfect.

They do believe in the same god, but they have wildly different interpretations of that god.

For instance, in Judaism, god is more or less a gigantic force of nature. It's impersonal and intangible, and it's all powerfull, but not really concious in a human sense. Whereas, Christianity poses the same god as a very human like god, that you can communicate with.

Cheers,

Lost

According to my translation of the Koran (by N. J. Dawood), thats exactly what the Muslims believe.

"Had the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] accepted the Faith, it would surely have been better for them."

It seems the Jews screwed up, then the Christians screwed up, so Muhammad was created as the final phrophet.

Yes they worship the same God. Three major differences however:

Jews say that the True Prophet has yet to manifest himself.

Christians say the True Prophet is Jesus.

Muslims say the True Prophet is Muhammed, or however it's spelled in English.

...so, how does this mean "There is Only One Religion"?

To ignore completely the existence of non-monotheistic religions such as Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Wicca, and basically everything else in the world. The fact is, monotheism as a religious abstraction has been evolving for thousands of years, from the notably exclusive Judaism (traditionally claiming a covenant with God by blood, as in racial descent) to the more inclusivist Christianity (shifting the idea of a covenant by blood to a covenant by faith) and finally winding up at Islam, replacing faith with simple obedience to religious authority, the ultimate appeal to the masses. Not, it should be pointed out, that other forms of religion are any less authoritarian and abuse-laden. Usually they're just somewhat cleverer about it.

Edit: I forgot about the Ba'hais. They claim to be the latest thing in God's continuing reveletory process. Isn't that special.



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quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

...so, how does this mean "There is Only One Religion"?

Maybe that at the heart of it, they're very similar, love your neighbor and all that.

Maybe because religion incorporates

some traditional codes and

common sense.

"what is good is what helps

the survival of the concerned

element"

"what is bad is what hinders

the survival the the concerned

element" - scientology

While I agree with the principle of religious parallelism, I think the "love your neighbor" thing is pretty contextual. I mean, what little we know of Norse paganism, for example (the Havamal, the Eddas, the Volsung saga, et cetera), usually outlines very distinct methods of dealing with your enemies, if there is anything at all implying a specific attitude on neighbors.

I don't know of any kind of Graeco-Roman sources that say that either... but, then again, I know less about Graeco-Roman mythology than I'd like to.

However, while I see the insight in the posts, my question was geared more towards the assumption of there only being one religion because three of all the world's religions have a similar source.