Atheists seem to suggest that if there is God, He is all-evil. If God is all-evil, why is there good?

are you for real? an atheist vehemently opposes the idea that god - any god - exists at all. how could you suggest that god is evil if you dont think he/she/it exists?

assuming he does exist, if he is all good why is there evil? see the problem with your argument?

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Atheists seem to suggest that if there is God, He is all-evil.

News to me bud...



[QUOTE]Originally posted by quasicurus:

If God is all-evil, why is there good?



balance n' shit...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Always High -

Our imbalances amount to nothingness, every imbalance can only be physical and thus mortal or bounded by time. Imbalance is the same as nothing. If two opposites exist equally then they either equal a whole or a zero. So -.5 + .5 equals 1? No shit. But look, it’s not 1, its 0. Two equal negatives equal a neutral zero. Meaning what about life?

This means the whole purpose of an imbalance is to equal zero. Meaning physically in life the whole purpose of the struggle after birth is to die. Life is like colours. Black represents nothingness, the different frequencies of light that form the colours and can merge to form white, and the infinite frequency, is everyone, and white is God. The many colours represented as one. The exact opposite of darkness.

Life is God. It's the constant battle between the everlasting opposites, existence and non-existence itself. Something and nothing, every opposition down to the most basic level.





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I don't understand your reasoning, quasicurus.

But to Darth Vector, an atheist doesn't have to vehemently oppose the idea of god, I will easily profess that I believe a god could exist but I see no evidence for it.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Atheists seem to suggest that if there is God, He is all-evil. If God is all-evil, why is there good?

I think I understand where you are coming from, because I see people saying they are atheists saying "fuck god, we don't need him..etc.. etc...", but that is not a real atheist. An atheist, as Darth Vector said, denies the existance of god, and therefore cannot say he is evil, or good at all.

The people you are talking about are the people who say they are atheist just to act cool, because they think it's cool to say so. I see it all the time, and it's stupid.

I am saying atheist seem to believe that IF God exist, God must be all evil. If God is all-evil, why is there good?

'Good' is subjective, and what do you mean by we say God must be all-evil?

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

I am saying atheist seem to believe that IF God exist, God must be all evil. If God is all-evil, why is there good?

What you're saying is still wrong. I know absolutely of no atheists who believe that, and I challenge you to find someone on totse that does.

They may feel that he is "evil" if he exists and allows harm/suffering to occur when he has the power to stop it from occurring, but that is completely different from believing that he is "all-evil".

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

What you're saying is still wrong. I know absolutely of no atheists who believe that, and I challenge you to find someone on totse that does.

They may feel that he is "evil" if he exists and allows harm/suffering to occur when he has the power to stop it from occurring, but that is completely different from believing that he is "all-evil".



So, IF God exist, do you think He is all-good or all-evil? Which one makes more sense?

Given what I see now? On Earth? In my life?

The existence of evil already refutes the possibility of an "all-good" god existing (save for us considering that he can do the illogical, in which case it's idiotic to even debate it) just as the existence of good already refutes the existence of an "all-evil" god. Thus, IF a god exists, and given what I percieve on earth (i.e. the existence of both good and evil) he would have to be a mixture of both.

There is a mixture of good and evil, no doubt.

Is there more evil or more good, or do they balance?

How should I manage to answer that? I don't have a list of all evil things that have ever occurred, and all good things that have occurred.

My answer would be meaningless and restricted only to that which I have experienced or learned about, which is is insignificant in the scope of human history.

Which statement is more correct?

A) Everyone has experienced good

B) Everyone has experienced evil

How can I determine that?

I do not know everyone and I do not know what everyone has felt, both which are requirements for me to answer that question.

quote:Originally posted by darth_vector:

are you for real? an atheist vehemently opposes the idea that god - any god - exists at all. how could you suggest that god is evil if you dont think he/she/it exists?

assuming he does exist, if he is all good why is there evil? see the problem with your argument?

The other way round seems to make more sense.

If he's all good, evil seems purposeless, except to make us understand good and evil.

But, if he's all evil, good definitely have a purpose, which is to make the evil seems more evil. If we are already suffering, the "glimpses of good" that we feel, makes us desire more good, thus the craving for that good makes our suffering feels worse than before.

quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

Atheists seem to suggest that if there is God, He is all-evil.

You really are biased against atheists aren't you? Can anybody say indoctorination?

quote:But to Darth Vector, an atheist doesn't have to vehemently oppose the idea of god, I will easily profess that I believe a god could exist but I see no evidence for it.

I wouldn't say all atheists are vehemently opposed to the idea of gods or the even supernatural in any way. I know plenty of atheists who couldn't care either way. Personally, I'm happy if people believe in gods. I'm just scared of all the idiots who believe in gods and pretend they're being reasonable about it.

quote:Which statement is more correct?

A) Everyone has experienced good

B) Everyone has experienced evil

What is good and what is evil?

quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

I wouldn't say all atheists are vehemently opposed to the idea of gods or the even supernatural in any way.

Neither would I, which is exactly how I responded to his assertion that they are when he lumped them all into one group.

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quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

What is good and what is evil?

Good is define as the things that everyone long for, happiness and pleasure.

Evil is misery and unnecessary suffering.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Neither would I, which is exactly how I responded to his assertion that they are when he lumped them all into one group.

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quote:Good is define as the things that everyone long for, happiness and pleasure.

Evil is misery and unnecessary suffering.

So if I find it pleasureable to, say, have sex with kittens, when I'm doing so I'm comitting a good act? Or if I'd rather spend all my time lazing about and doing nothing instead of working, that's good?

And if I accidentally stand on someone's foot, I'm evil?

If I lose a £10 note to a gust of wind, who's doing evil there? Is it me? Is the WIND evil? Or are you saying that God did it (I'm certainly not so don't accuse me of calling God evil)?