no.

How dare you question my existance!

p.s. wrong forum. even god must respect the mighty jeff hunter's rules about totse

"the idea of a power higher and greater than our own, the thought of omnipotence,omnipresence, and omniscience, beyond our own existance, shows that some being as such must exist.

Therefore. God exists."

God is absolute everything right?

(defining "God")"thats what i just did. an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving being. this is the definition of the three major monothiestic religions."

well, mathmatically there is no absolute 100, so mathmatically "God" is an absurdity.

god therefor, does NOT exist.

EDIT: http://tinypic.com/fa91er.jpg ....PWND!



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i have penis cancer.

Are you fucking stupid? Post in the correct forum for once.

quote:Originally posted by cronic5:

Are you fucking stupid? Post in the correct forum for once.



penis

quote:Originally posted by cronic5:

Are you fucking stupid? Post in the correct forum for once.

so there I was, trying to pry 0x29A's tongue out of the moderators ass, when I realised that it was stuck there behind cronic5's nose.

I tried a jackhammer, blasting powder, a crow bar, vasoline, but nothing i could do could break up a logjam that severe.

yes he does and his name is joe rogan . NOW SMOKE SOME DMT AND JOINT MY CULT MOTHERFUCKER !

the idea of a power higher and greater than our own, the thought of omnipotence,omnipresence, and omniscience, beyond our own existance, shows that some being as such must exist.

Therefore. God exists.

quote:Originally posted by manaseater:

the idea of a power higher and greater than our own, the thought of omnipotence,omnipresence, and omniscience, beyond our own existance, shows that some being as such must exist.

Therefore. God exists.

And the idea of aliens, robots, teenage mutant turtles are also proof that those things must exist? I suggest you read the Argument from Evil for the non existance of God, its a short but very interesting essay.

quote:Originally posted by manaseater:

the idea of a power higher and greater than our own, the thought of omnipotence,omnipresence, and omniscience, beyond our own existance, shows that some being as such must exist.

Therefore. God exists.

Wrong. Post that shit in the correct forum for a real response.

Good question.

what better place to find out if god is real then totse.nice

God was created by an early culture to keep the people in line. People are doing good just because they don't want to be in eternal pain.

The creation story is full of shit. At least the Big Bang theory is believable. A majority of those in a religion deny the tangible evidence Darwin brought up.

Science, logic, and philosophy are the ways to go.

Go atheism!

quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Lag:

God was created by an early culture to keep the people in line. People are doing good just because they don't want to be in eternal pain.

The creation story is full of shit. At least the Big Bang theory is believable. A majority of those in a religion deny the tangible evidence Darwin brought up.

Science, logic, and philosophy are the ways to go.

Go atheism!

Something occuring from nothing... REALLLLLLL believable. At least if you accept Gods existance, there is no need to figure where we came from.

quote:Originally posted by ZodiakReacher:



penis

Ingenious!

quote:Originally posted by 0x29A:

And the idea of aliens, robots, teenage mutant turtles are also proof that those things must exist? I suggest you read the Argument from Evil for the non existance of God, its a short but very interesting essay.

you are misinterpreting the ontological argument.

the evil argumnet just proves god cant be allpowerful, all loving, and all knowing all at once, not that god doesn't exist. (so it only works against monothiests)

^Define god?

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

^Define god?

thats what i just did. an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving being. this is the definition of the three major monothiestic religions.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Something occuring from nothing... REALLLLLLL believable. At least if you accept Gods existance, there is no need to figure where we came from.

Manifestation is the only thing we have. The feigned existence of an omnipotent "God" can only be sparked from a culture. If there was a God, it would be universal by now, but Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. break the chain. God is a cultural thing, and the cunning linguistic skills of Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammed (all around the same area geographically) sparked a massive belief in God. Without trade and invasions, the God belief would have a small following that it deserves.

The Big Bang is still a theory, mind you.

I know the concept of nothing creating something is hard to grasp. We had to start somewhere. Infinity is a place that has no beginning or end, and our universe doesn't have that. The Big Bang theory is a somewhat decent explanation of the creation of the universe and it's four dimensions (nothing's possible without time). It's better than God's creation in a week, which sounds like bullshit by itself.

People follow religion because it gives quick and simple answers to questions that, if solved with logic and science, would be almost impossible.

Religion is the opiate of the masses, says Marx, and the quote still stands true.

you guys need to stop trippin bout this whole after life stuff you atheists why do you worry so much to make sure everyone believes that there is no god. eh?

not to strong in your beliefs?

everyone should jus chill and enjoy the whole life thing, stop thinking bout death so much its not healthy.

quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Lag:





Me tinka you is needing a clue.

quote:Originally posted by purplekhanabooze:

you guys need to stop trippin bout this whole after life stuff you atheists why do you worry so much to make sure everyone believes that there is no god. eh?

not to strong in your beliefs?

everyone should jus chill and enjoy the whole life thing, stop thinking bout death so much its not healthy.



I'm talking about it because somebody asked. I don't think about this shit everyday.

I just find it fun to argue with religious people, because their backing is just tradition.

Here's the way I see it.

When an atheist dies, if he was right in believing God doesn't exist, he will just rot in the ground. However if he was wrong about the existence of God, he will burn in hell or be reincarnated as something shitty like lice.

quote:Originally posted by Snakeman:

Here's the way I see it.

When an atheist dies, if he was right in believing God doesn't exist, he will just rot in the ground. However if he was wrong about the existence of God, he will burn in hell or be reincarnated as something shitty like lice.



or mabye only athiests get to go to heaven...

quote:Originally posted by pants:

what better place to find out if god is real then totse.nice

so true

y/n

y/n

duh

God exists, it's called Motörhead.

no

quote:Originally posted by ZodiakReacher:

no.

Thank you.

I know this is completely the wrong forum, but who gives a shit, i'm gonna post something anyway...

quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Lag:

God was created by an early culture to keep the people in line. People are doing good just because they don't want to be in eternal pain.

The creation story is full of shit. At least the Big Bang theory is believable. A majority of those in a religion deny the tangible evidence Darwin brought up.

Science, logic, and philosophy are the ways to go.

Go atheism!

Ok. First of all, shut the hell up about the creation story, no-one said anything about Genisis or Christianity, except for YOU. Secondly, evidence obviously can't be tangible. Get a dictionary. As for your actual arguments themselves, the fact that people in religions argue against Darwin is utterly irrelevant: nothing that anyone in any religion says or does proves or disproves the existence of God. If philosophy is "the way to go", why don't you try using some logic for a change? Also, christianity is what was created (partly) to keep people in line; who are you to say when or by whom God was "created"?

Where God is defined as "the creator of the universe", God does exist. I don't think anyone except dumbass Christians actually believe that God is a guy who sits on a cloud judging everyone; even if God was just some impersonal force, it could be said that everything that happened from the point of creation onwards was predictable, and the Creator knew it at that point (is/was omniscient). Furthermore, if the creator was outside our universe, (which it'd have to be/have been), it would transcend time and be present in every moment of the universe's history. People are not wrong when they say things like, "the creator is watching over us".

Your god is my bitch.

And Zeus PWNS!!!

quote:Originally posted by Snakeman:

Here's the way I see it.

When an atheist dies, if he was right in believing God doesn't exist, he will just rot in the ground.

Atheists don't necessarily believe there is nothing there after you die.

So the way you see it, is wrong.

quote:Originally posted by manaseater:

the idea of a power higher and greater than our own, the thought of omnipotence,omnipresence, and omniscience, beyond our own existance, shows that some being as such must exist.

Therefore. God exists.

ur a fucking idiot. dont post here anymore. fuck u.

quote:Originally posted by actionfaad:

Thank you.



no prob homie. im yo backup.

if god exists, then so does pokemon and digimon and anime and ninja turtles and Bill CLinton.

fuck u.

If God exists, then Battlestar Galactica is an accurate representation of historical events.

quote:Originally posted by moby_dick:

I know this is completely the wrong forum, but who gives a shit, i'm gonna post something anyway...

Originally posted by Sgt. Lag:

God was created by an early culture to keep the people in line. People are doing good just because they don't want to be in eternal pain.

The creation story is full of shit. At least the Big Bang theory is believable. A majority of those in a religion deny the tangible evidence Darwin brought up.

Science, logic, and philosophy are the ways to go.

Go atheism!

Ok. First of all, shut the hell up about the creation story, no-one said anything about Genisis or Christianity, except for YOU. Secondly, evidence obviously can't be tangible. Get a dictionary. As for your actual arguments themselves, the fact that people in religions argue against Darwin is utterly irrelevant: nothing that anyone in any religion says or does proves or disproves the existence of God. If philosophy is "the way to go", why don't you try using some logic for a change? Also, christianity is what was created (partly) to keep people in line; who are you to say when or by whom God was "created"?

Where God is defined as "the creator of the universe", God does exist. I don't think anyone except dumbass Christians actually believe that God is a guy who sits on a cloud judging everyone; even if God was just some impersonal force, it could be said that everything that happened from the point of creation onwards was predictable, and the Creator knew it at that point (is/was omniscient). Furthermore, if the creator was outside our universe, (which it'd have to be/have been), it would transcend time and be present in every moment of the universe's history. People are not wrong when they say things like, "the creator is watching over us".

Tangible can mean (and which I intended to mean) can be treated as fact or solid evidence. Creation story is the basis of Cathlocism. If there was no start, how can it begin.

As for Darwinian theory, I said majority. True it isn't part of the Christian faith, but most Christians deny this evidence regardless. It was off course though; my apologies.

I sounded like an asshole when I said a culture created the existence of God, but I have a strong opinion on it. Sorry for offending you, but saying "I think" in front of my beliefs would become redundant.

When you say God is "a man on a cloud", that would be very Christian. But once you say a "force" that drives the universe, you'd be delving into paganism. I just believe that everything works out not because we have a force guiding us, I think that it works out because we keep ourselves in line.

When you say another universe created ours, where'd they come from and start off? Something had to manifest at one point. Manifestation is a strange concept, but it's the basis of how we got here. There's no way around it.

No deity could permit such idiocy as in this thread, thus deities do not exist. A question of the utmost pertinancy for hundreds of years, debated by the greatest thinkers of western civilisation, disolved in a single sentence and a gathering of morons of the highest calibre. I salute you.

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Just because something isn't

true yet, doesn't mean it will always be that way, especially if Darwin was right.

Darwin was right, it's been proven. That's why they teach it in schools. He had no stance on creation, just evolution and development.

Creation and religion are touchy subjects, and the only thing everybody can have are opinions and beliefs, which they can be strong or weak in. Obviously I'll be strong in my beliefs of atheism, which are open to debate. I'll be glad to argue, it keeps life interesting and worthwhile.

Just remember, you're attacking ideas, not people.

quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Lag:

At least the Big Bang theory is believable.

to what extent? that (forgeting physics and probability) its possible?

Lets say screw probability.

Done.

Now big bang happens.

Done.

Now what of life?

Life begets life. Spontaneous generation has never occurred. Even Atheist scholars do not argue that.

But it must have? or something created that? what created that creator?

God.

quote:Originally posted by ZodiakReacher:

ur a fucking idiot. dont post here anymore. fuck u.



since when have your posts been valued?

do yourself and the rest of us a favor you emo cunt, /wrists please.

The more ive gotten into philosophy, the more Ive started leaning towards the idea that there must be a god. If you guys are really interested, read Renee Descartes Meditations, the Argument From Design, and Saint Thomas-Aquinas' First Cause essays. They make damn good points that even I as a hard core scientist/agnostic had to agree with.

When the laws of god just make ya pissed, ya better become an atheist. No, god does not exist.

quote:Originally posted by manaseater:

to what extent? that (forgeting physics and probability) its possible?

Lets say screw probability.

Done.

Now big bang happens.

Done.

Now what of life?

Life begets life. Spontaneous generation has never occurred. Even Atheist scholars do not argue that.

But it must have? or something created that? what created that creator?

God.

Life begeting life is impossible in my eyes. At one point in time, the matter of the universe had to be created by nothing.

And you're idea has one major flaw: "Who or what created God?" One of the answers I have heard is that he was always there.

And that's where I disagree even more so, upon my belief that there is no God. I believe our universe has not been infinite. Then the deadlock sets in, because now it's an argument between the simplest theories; infinite universe vs. manifestation.

I'm with manifestation.

quote:Originally posted by 0x29A:

The more ive gotten into philosophy, the more Ive started leaning towards the idea that there must be a god. If you guys are really interested, read Renee Descartes Meditations, the Argument From Design, and Saint Thomas-Aquinas' First Cause essays. They make damn good points that even I as a hard core scientist/agnostic had to agree with.



Thanks man. A few people here are smart, but don't have the intelligence of these writers. If they make good points, it's worth a read through.

god exists? u guys are fucking IDIOTS

lets be REALISTIC

is there some fag on **TOP** of the earth?

NO

if there was a god, why do we have war and cancer and penis cancer and wtv?

u guys are idiots, churches are a waste of fucking AIR.

fucking bitches, put ur hands in the air and wave em like u just **DONT CARE**

bitches god doesnt exist. its a myth that priest who havent been laid in 60 years masterbate to.

thnx

quote:Originally posted by ZodiakReacher:

god exists? u guys are fucking IDIOTS

lets be REALISTIC

is there some fag on **TOP** of the earth?

NO

if there was a god, why do we have war and cancer and penis cancer and wtv?

u guys are idiots, churches are a waste of fucking AIR.

fucking bitches, put ur hands in the air and wave em like u just **DONT CARE**

bitches god doesnt exist. its a myth that priest who havent been laid in 60 years masterbate to.

thnx



I share your views, but you don't exactly take the best route to showing it.

Moving to MGCBTSOYG.

He made me in his own image.