Is this true from a protestant perspective?

quote:Originally posted by Trojan_47:

From a protestant perspective, do you go to hell if you commit suicide? Catholics I know you do, but I'm not Catholic.

If you think about it, you can't ask Jesus for forgivenss and you can't repent if your dead.

I also used to think that it could be the unpardonable sin. See, it you think about it, the holy spirit is in you, and your body is the temple of God. And if you kill yourself, thats like a blasphemy to the Holy Spirit.

Anywayz, I would like feedback so I can know what to expect.

The answer you're looking for isn't in black and white. Forget about quaint denominations of Christianity that cloud the purpose of Christ and get back to the Bible if you want answers. God is explicit in his dealings with man as it relates to sin. Is suicide a sin? Well, I think a better question is, what happy Christian destroys the life that was given to him by his Maker? Remember, God judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, not always the motion of the sin. What is the motivation? You have to surely know that God knows your heart is troubled. This pain that is felt is a way to direct you to the source of alleviation.... That alleviate is God... and God alone. If someone is contemplating suicide, then there is no way that his heart is in the perfect will of God, but rather in His permissive will. (Big deal, though.... God will allow to rape a chicken in His permissive will. Therefore, being in His perfect will is always the greater of the two). And if you're contemplating suicide, then trust me with all assurance, it's because you are already weighed down because of sin that already exists! There is always a grey area when dealing with sin and forgiveness, because, suffice it to say that if you knew where the line in the sand was, you would always test God and His mercy, thus compromising yourself for judgement. This is concurrent with His stance on 'knowing the day and the hour of His return.'

The unpardonable sin is denial of the Holy Spirit... When you take your last breath and have denied Him your whole life, then you deny your very life. God does not condemn man... Man, condemns man. The other is similar, but this one to the believer who has strayed to the point of no return. In this case, make no mistake; the only way you can grieve the Spirit is when you know what the Spirit is.

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God all over again and subject Him to shame."

-Hebrews 5:4-6



[This message has been edited by hyroglyphx (edited 11-06-2005).]

Wow, ur absolutely right. Could you elaborate on the last quote though. How can I be sure that I strayed to the point of no return? I have strayed, and I do feel that I've crucified the Son of Man to the point of shame since I've repeated certain sins too many times that I'm doomed to repeat them again. I've also accepted Christ, but once I've strayed, I accepted him again and again as if I'm trying to renew my Christianhood or myself as a Christian. How can I be assured of my salvation? Or is that only up to God?

'Tis a cowardly vetch, O my brothers...

quote:Originally posted by ate:

There are no rules, don't believe what any man says. You can get back on track at anytime all you have to do is break the losing streak, that's all. Suicides are very shaken after death and usually are so tormented in soul that they push away the very acknowledgement of ever dying and thus go on living in an infinite insanity. Either that or they realize what they've done afterwards and can do nothing but weep and groan over their mistakes. That's the closest hell ever will be, no one ever really dies, every soul that ever lives is truly brought back to the source, the only difference is bad souls take a lot longer and half to go through much more unnessecary painful learning or unlearning. It's all a big game, as long as you don't hurt anyone you've really done no wrong.

So u weren't speaking of death physically? Do u then mean that hell is pretty much emotional pain? And we will be tormented emotionally continuously? I just lost the translation between when and if you were relating to emotional and physical pain.

quote:Originally posted by Trojan_47:

Wow, ur absolutely right. Could you elaborate on the last quote though. How can I be sure that I strayed to the point of no return? I have strayed, and I do feel that I've crucified the Son of Man to the point of shame since I've repeated certain sins too many times that I'm doomed to repeat them again. I've also accepted Christ, but once I've strayed, I accepted him again and again as if I'm trying to renew my Christianhood or myself as a Christian. How can I be assured of my salvation? Or is that only up to God?

Guess what? The fact that you feel this way and feel this guilt is a testimony in and of itself. If you didn't feel like you've done a thing wrong, that's when damnation creeps in. You are on the right track. You're a sinner, you know it, you hate it, and seek restitution. It is the one who can't admit fault. (I'm sure you see them all over this forum). They are, as of now, doomed... But they can always turn, if they so choose, and He would recieve them and forgive them. You are different. You are backslidden. So am I. We all fall short. But there is a vast difference between the man who falls and the man who is fallen.

"For the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I want to do, I do not practice; but what I hate to do, that I keep doing (sinning). I agree with the Law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me... how to perform what is good, I do not know. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I do not want to do, this I keep doing. For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of my sin which is in me. O'wretched man that I am! Who will save me from this body of death?"

-Romans 7:14-24-

In other words..... seek Him and you will find. Nothing happens in our time, but in His perfect timing. Understand that the times of testing is not to harm, though it be painful, but to build you up. Just as physical pain serves as a warning to your body of danger, so also does mental anguish serve as a spiritual warning. The warning says, "You've strayed from Me. You are out of my protection. Come back to Me and know what it is to live."



[This message has been edited by hyroglyphx (edited 11-06-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Trojan_47:

Wow, ur absolutely right. Could you elaborate on the last quote though. How can I be sure that I strayed to the point of no return? I have strayed, and I do feel that I've crucified the Son of Man to the point of shame since I've repeated certain sins too many times that I'm doomed to repeat them again. I've also accepted Christ, but once I've strayed, I accepted him again and again as if I'm trying to renew my Christianhood or myself as a Christian. How can I be assured of my salvation? Or is that only up to God?



Then your life is a testament to how much God loves us and how patient He is with us. It is a good thing that Jesus died for all sins of all mankind for all times now and forever.

I always remember what happened to Jesus when He was nailed to the cross. He took a severe beating and endured an immense amount of pain.

I've confessed that Jesus is my saviour but, I'm human. I have sinned countless times after confessing my faith. I have repented and prayed for forginess over and over and over again. I try to remember that for every sin I commit and the ones I haven't commited yet, His blood poured out for payment.

I have avoided using scripture here but for you I'll offer this;

Joshua 7:10 The LORD said to Joshua, "Stand up! What are you doing down on your face? 11 Israel has sinned; they have violated my covenant, which I commanded them to keep. They have taken some of the devoted things; they have stolen, they have lied, they have put them with their own possessions. 12 That is why the Israelites cannot stand against their enemies; they turn their backs and run because they have been made liable to destruction. I will not be with you anymore unless you destroy whatever among you is devoted to destruction.

13 "Go, consecrate the people. Tell them, 'Consecrate yourselves in preparation for tomorrow; for this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: That which is devoted is among you, O Israel. You cannot stand against your enemies until you remove it.

Replace Israel with Trojan_47 and you get the picture. This is an example of sin(disobediance), the consequence of sin, repentence and restoration. You are in the midst between consequence and repentence. Keep moving forward but as God said to Joshua, "I will not be with you anymore unless you destroy whatever among you is devoted to destruction."

The things that you say are against God you must stop doing if it is restoration you seek. I recommend prayer and asking Him for the strength to do it.





[This message has been edited by Sig_Intel (edited 11-06-2005).]

hard to say. i'm not aware of a bible verse that says it explicitly, though there may be one.

the bottom line is that suicide is murder, which is a sin. however, a murderer could be forgiven of their sin if they accepted christ.

but here's the rub: is it possible for someone to truely give their life to christ and then kill themself?

i don't have an answer for that.