what exactly does the bible have to say on the subject of womens roles in society?? does it have any dress codes or anything about sex in there? also doesnt it say that women should stay home all day washing dishes and shit instead of out trying to fuck up the politics of the world and giving random guys blowjobs?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

what exactly does the bible have to say on the subject of womens roles in society?? does it have any dress codes or anything about sex in there? also doesnt it say that women should stay home all day washing dishes and shit instead of out trying to fuck up the politics of the world and giving random guys blowjobs?[/QUOT

You're asking us if the Bible has anything about women in there and sex, but in another room you challenge if i know the Bible or not. We see clearly that you don't know the Bible, therefore, you're not qualified to say anything on it's validity. Go read the Bible yourself. If you want to know about blow jobs, though, you have to read Hustler, not the Bible.

i never claimed to have read the bible i'm not even a christian. i do however have a basic understanding of christianity and i wasnt challenging your knowledge i just wanted to know if you had read it or not. and you didnt answer my question.

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

i do however have a BASIC understanding of christianity

O RLY?

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

i never claimed to have read the bible i'm not even a christian. i do however have a basic understanding of christianity and i wasnt challenging your knowledge i just wanted to know if you had read it or not. and you didnt answer my question.

Yes, I did answer you. Yes, I have read the Bible... Continuosly... It's not like a novel where you read it once and never read it again.

I dont think a person can even have a basic understanding of the Bible if they dont bother to read it.

Anyways, yeah there is a part or two in the bible that says that women are subservient to men. It also says oral sex is wrong.

quote:Originally posted by TheLaUghiNgHeretic:

I dont think a person can even have a basic understanding of the Bible if they dont bother to read it.

Anyways, yeah there is a part or two in the bible that says that women are subservient to men. It also says oral sex is wrong.

No, it says that man should be head of the household. It says they should serve each other, each offering different aspects. And there are many references to sex in the Bible. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex, however, there are types of immoral sex.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

No, it says that man should be head of the household. It says they should serve each other, each offering different aspects. And there are many references to sex in the Bible. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex, however, there are types of immoral sex.



sins are different depending on what doctine you ascribe to though.

Eh, I think that is a matter of interpretation

I found a good site on the subject though: http://tinyurl.com/7c3b8

quote:Originally posted by kenwih:

sins are different depending on what doctine you ascribe to though.

Why do you say that? I mean, certainly people interpret things differently.. Is that what you're trying to say?

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

what exactly does the bible have to say on the subject of womens roles in society?? does it have any dress codes or anything about sex in there? also doesnt it say that women should stay home all day washing dishes and shit instead of out trying to fuck up the politics of the world and giving random guys blowjobs?

Why do you care? Esp. If you're not a woman. You can already tell your motive in asking this question is all wrong. Being that you're asking about the opposite sex and how you'd like to change OTHER PEOPLE, instead of improving yourself for God.

I'm not going to say it how hyroglyphx said it, but it's close enough as to how I'm about to say it.

Read God's word, if he finds your heart is in the right place, he'll reveal to you what you need to know, FOR YOURSELF. If not, then you don't deserve to know God. If the spirit of God isn't living in you, you're not going to know him anyways, until you accept Christ into your heart and CONFESS him as Lord.

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No more 2000y/o book in the government please.

Well, the first idea of women's status according to the Bible comes from the Genesis. God creates Eve as a companion to Adam, from his own body. This obviously does not mean that women are inferior or superior, but it does imply that they're somehow "secondary".

Then, in Genesis 3:16, God says to Eve "...thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"...

Probably one of the most appalingly misogynistic parts of the Bible is the story of Lot. In Sodom, the doomed city, when the crowd wants to meet the strangers Lot is harboring, Lot shamelessly offers the mob his two daughters to do with them as they please, rather then allow the crowd to know who the strangers are. This, Lot says, would contradict the rules of hospitality. And God likes what Lot does.

There are many, many cases where women's status is mentionned. Most often, in a quite negative manner. I don't know as much about times when women are mentionned positively, but anyone is welcome to add those sections. I'm not anti-Christian, but I have studies sexism in Christianity quite a lot.

quote:Originally posted by sii:

Well, the first idea of women's status according to the Bible comes from the Genesis. God creates Eve as a companion to Adam, from his own body. This obviously does not mean that women are inferior or superior, but it does imply that they're somehow "secondary".

Then, in Genesis 3:16, God says to Eve "...thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"...

Probably one of the most appalingly misogynistic parts of the Bible is the story of Lot. In Sodom, the doomed city, when the crowd wants to meet the strangers Lot is harboring, Lot shamelessly offers the mob his two daughters to do with them as they please, rather then allow the crowd to know who the strangers are. This, Lot says, would contradict the rules of hospitality. And God likes what Lot does.

There are many, many cases where women's status is mentionned. Most often, in a quite negative manner. I don't know as much about times when women are mentionned positively, but anyone is welcome to add those sections. I'm not anti-Christian, but I have studies sexism in Christianity quite a lot.

Alright. Well, you're almost right. Woman was made FOR man, and Man was made for God. Man submits to God, while the woman too submits to God and her husband. As for a dress code? Nah. However, the way you dress will be the kind of man you attract. Women are to be ladies, humble, etc. Read 1 Timothy. Men are to be gentlemen, rulers of their household, and having their children IN LINE of obediance. The woman is the be at home, actually, but that isn't the case nowadays, because of divorce, which should have never happened. So now you have women trying to fill the empty spot of the father for their children. It takes two to raise a child.

Woman aren't less than men. We're all God's children, but if a woman is married to a man she IS to honour and submit to him, but God first. "Women shouldn't stand in the pulpit." At one time I'm sure that was true, but in the last days, considering the time we are in, God said he'd pour of his spirit upon men and women alike, Basically anyone who YEARNS for God.

Anyways.. Read 1 Timothy, there's alot in there about the conduct of a man and a woman.



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quote:Originally posted by sii:

Well, the first idea of women's status according to the Bible comes from the Genesis. God creates Eve as a companion to Adam, from his own body. This obviously does not mean that women are inferior or superior, but it does imply that they're somehow "secondary".

How do you figure, when Jesus Himself said that to be a servant is the greatest attribute of mankind?

Then, in Genesis 3:16, God says to Eve "...thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"...

And?

Probably one of the most appalingly misogynistic parts of the Bible is the story of Lot. In Sodom, the doomed city, when the crowd wants to meet the strangers Lot is harboring, Lot shamelessly offers the mob his two daughters to do with them as they please, rather then allow the crowd to know who the strangers are. This, Lot says, would contradict the rules of hospitality. And God likes what Lot does.

I guess forcefully sodomizing angels is better. (Interesting that you don't mention that.)

There are many, many cases where women's status is mentionned. Most often, in a quite negative manner. I don't know as much about times when women are mentionned positively, but anyone is welcome to add those sections. I'm not anti-Christian, but I have studies sexism in Christianity quite a lot.[/B]

http://www.alabaster-jars.com/biblewomen-a.html

You must be confusing Christianity with Islam

^ You know, I usually try to keep these discussion on an intelligent basis... But your posts are just... HORRIBLE. And your arguments are so easily defeatable. But you never admit defeat, that's your problem. Here's a simple response:

1- Jesus said to be a servant to GOD is the greatest attribute to mankind. This, in my opinion, is idiocy, but whatever. And you're the one who claims to understand Christianity? And you're telling us women serving men makes them great individuals?

2- And it is an example of sexism and misogyny in Bible. Either contest this, as you did in your response to my previous argument, or ignore it, as you do in your response to this argument.

3- Sodomize angels? What, you're writing your own Bible or something? The people of Sodom simply wanted to know who the people were that were being sheltered by lot. There is absolutely no sodomizing. The only reason the crowd gets violent is BECAUSE LOT REFUSES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEE HIS GUESTS. And oh, BTW, if I had two daughters, and if I had a choice between seeing them sodomized, and seeing two angels sodomized... I would definitely choose the two angels, and not my daughters.

4- The link you gave is A LIST OF WOMEN WHOSE NAME APPEARS IN THE BIBLE. I certainly fail to see what the whole point of that link is. Even more interestingly, it features such amazingly liberated women such as "Abraham's Concubines". No sexism here.

5- No, I don't confuse Christianity with anything, WHEN I QUOTE GENESIS. Interestingly, you don't.

6- Learn how to quote posts.

Seriously - try intelligent arguments.



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The bible on equality:

Timothy 2:11-14 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Heres the bible on the dress code for females:

1 Corinthians 11:5-10: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

This Pretty much says it all:

Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

It should be noted though that times have changed and most forward thinking individuals have come to recognize those parts of the bible as archaic and not necessary for a full understanding of Jesus.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sii:

^ You know, I usually try to keep these discussion on an intelligent basis... But your posts are just... HORRIBLE. And your arguments are so easily defeatable.

In your mind.... But then again, isn't that everyone?

1- Jesus said to be a servant to GOD is the greatest attribute to mankind. This, in my opinion, is idiocy, but whatever. And you're the one who claims to understand Christianity? And you're telling us women serving men makes them great individuals?

John 13:1-20 "1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; 3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; 4 He rises from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. 5 After that he poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. 6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter said unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? 7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou know not now; but thou shall know hereafter. 8 Peter said unto him, Thou shall never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. 9 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. 10 Jesus said to him, He that is washed need not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. 11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean. 12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? 13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. 14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. 15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. 16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. 17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. 18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eats bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. 19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. 20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receives whomsoever I send receives me; and he that receives me receives him that sent me."

2- And it is an example of sexism and misogyny in Bible. Either contest this, as you did in your response to my previous argument, or ignore it, as you do in your response to this argument.

"Now the two ANGELS came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. (Genesis 19:1)....."And they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came in with you? Bring them out so that we may know them carnally." (Genesis 19:5)

3- Sodomize angels? What, you're writing your own Bible or something? The people of Sodom simply wanted to know who the people were that were being sheltered by lot. There is absolutely no sodomizing. The only reason the crowd gets violent is BECAUSE LOT REFUSES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEE HIS GUESTS. And oh, BTW, if I had two daughters, and if I had a choice between seeing them sodomized, and seeing two angels sodomized... I would definitely choose the two angels, and not my daughters.

Yes, what Lot did was an abomination. But you seem to be confused that God condoned his behavior. There are many instances in the Bible of 'good men' doing bad things. God broke them of it, too. So, your issue is with fallible man, not God.

The issue is whether or not women are treated poorly by God. You select the Scriptures taken from anti-christian sites, and, as evidenced by your remarks concerning the Bible, you've done no real studying.. You just want to bring it into disrepute. If you don't even understand the Bible, how can you profess to make negative claims?

quote:Originally posted by TheLaUghiNgHeretic:

The bible on equality:

Timothy 2:11-14 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Heres the bible on the dress code for females:

1 Corinthians 11:5-10: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

This Pretty much says it all:

Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

It should be noted though that times have changed and most forward thinking individuals have come to recognize those parts of the bible as archaic and not necessary for a full understanding of Jesus.



I knew someone would say that. Which is why I said, Considering the time we are in, this isn't so. God said He will pour his spirit out on ALL FLESH, Both your SONS and DAUGHTERS.

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [ telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions ( divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [ divinely suggested] dreams.

Joel 2:28

And afterward I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.



Nowadays when you see women in the pulpits, which you haven't seen often before like now, you shouldn't say SHUT YOUR MOUTH WOMAN BE KEPT SILENT OR WE'LL SHAVE YOU BALD. No, you should be thinking about the signs of the end of times and know that these things must come to past, and that the Spirit is being poured out on ALL FLESH. Not just men, but women too.

BTW, That was the Old Testament, which we're no longer under. Because of the BLOOD of JESUS Men and Woman alike, can serve God in the same manner. Men don't have the spirit UPON them, ALL FLESH who is born again, has the spirit IN THEM, and if a gift or unction comes with that, then not only is the Spirit on them, but comes upon them as well. "Double portion of the spirit." Which is the Covenant I'm under.

Just because I'm a women, doesn't mean God doesn't reveal things to me through his Spirit, and that I shouldn't share that which is revealed to me. Also, Jesus anointed ALL who believe On him and confess him to PREACH THE GOSPEL/ to be a witness of him.