Is it that hard to believe

The world was created by a God counting numbers, he then put a man on earth then he made a woman out of the man. Even though that defies reproduction as we know it, then they ate a rotten apple because a talking snake told them to. Then the invisible god banished them. Then to save the race he had sex with virgin but didnt pop her cherry. The son who was born from godly penis is named Jesus hes lived and died as a virgin steve carell made a movie about him ( 40 year old virgin) then he was crucified and ressurected. He preached a message of happy happy, and if you werent all happy happy then you are banished to a burning lake of fire with a guy with big horns.

Did i happen to mention the world being drowned while one man built a boat and put every species of animal aboard it, i wonder how the penguins got there i mean antartica through africa the sahara quite a trip there. Anyways then this guy named moses seperated a sea to let everyone cross he closed it afterwards. then he went ontop of a mountain and talked to a burning bush. then god lightning struck some stones and gave him some commandments. down below girls gone wild was being filmed.

then god scanned his words and sent them via email to peter. who then made a church then with this church they created an army which began killing all those to convert. now today we have a corruption free church where we are all right and you are all wrong.

sorry for the bad grammar but i was o so excited to spread the word of my god

seriously i mean what is there not to believe?

Preach it!

Afuckingmen!!!

Amen.

1. God came down from Heaven to talk to Adam & and Eve till he found out about their sin.

2. For your Noah theory did you ever think of Pangea. Plus its not like he built the boat and loaded everything in couple of hours. It took probably at least a couple of years to complete.

3. God didn't put Jesus to save the race. He put Jesus here to die for our sins. Which makes us forgivable.

basically knowledge>bible

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

1. God came down from Heaven to talk to Adam & and Eve till he found out about their sin.

2. For your Noah theory did you ever think of Pangea. Plus its not like he built the boat and loaded everything in couple of hours. It took probably at least a couple of years to complete.

3. God didn't put Jesus to save the race. He put Jesus here to die for our sins. Which makes us forgivable.

Funny...

Even if pangea were true (it still isn't proven nor is there an explanation as to how the world all got separated AFTER the ark but BEFORE the ppl tried to build a tower to heaven and got scattered to the seven different continents), it STILL would take more than a few years to ride a donkey across the CONTINENT of africa to antartica and come back through the blazing heat with penguins.

I think i see why christians use "holy" so much. More holes than swiss cheese.

But that don't matter....it's the faith that counts right?

Why the fuck are people mentioning Pangaea? PANGAEA BROKE UP TWO HUNDRED MILLION YEARS AGO.

CHRIST.

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quote:Originally posted by abbazabbahellyeafool:

Funny...

Even if pangea were true (it still isn't proven nor is there an explanation as to how the world all got separated AFTER the ark but BEFORE the ppl tried to build a tower to heaven and got scattered to the seven different continents), it STILL would take more than a few years to ride a donkey across the CONTINENT of africa to antartica and come back through the blazing heat with penguins.

I think i see why christians use "holy" so much. More holes than swiss cheese.

But that don't matter....it's the faith that counts right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

Yule is not xtian. They just took it and put it in their religion.

You guys are idiots. God's a make believe person for a lot of unfortunate people.

quote:Originally posted by homosuperior:

...they ate a rotten apple...

Never mentions apples, actually.

quote:Originally posted by Canti:

Never mentions apples, actually.

So because of that his whole theory is flawed now ?

quote:Originally posted by literary syphilis:

Why the fuck are people mentioning Pangaea? PANGAEA BROKE UP TWO HUNDRED MILLION YEARS AGO.

CHRIST.



They don't believe in that "theory". They don't believe in evolutionism. They don't believe in "common sense".

Religion = Paranoid Delusion

quote:Originally posted by J-15:



2. For your Noah theory did you ever think of Pangea.



I thought Christians believed that god created the Earth pretty much like it is today and that the Earth is only 10k years old while scientists believe Pangea existed millions of years ago. Maybe I'm just goddamn crazy http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

Forget Pangea or penguins crossing the Sahara, Noah's ark (with the dimensions given) wouldn't be able to fit two of any animal. (Unless they had really big cubits back then)

quote:Originally posted by beergoggles:

I thought Christians believed that god created the Earth pretty much like it is today and that the Earth is only 10k years old while scientists believe Pangea existed millions of years ago. Maybe I'm just goddamn crazy http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

Where does the Bible say how old the Earth says. Notice a big time gap between Adam and Eve's. They had kids. Like I said even without Pangea it still didn't take a couple of days to get all the animals to get aboard it took years. Plus God called the animals to the boat Noah didn't go get them. Science today says that the Earth is evolving everyday so therefore it must have been a different kind of weather. As for all the animals. Think about it most dogs today were crossbred into their own breed. As an example the Rottwieler was one of many.

Not only that as each generation goes on people get taller therefore reverse this and people were shorter. Ever been on an a 18 century warship notice how it seems small. The same was probably the same with animals.



Why does everyone seem to think the forbidden fruit was an apple. The Bible never said what it even looked like.

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

So because of that his whole theory is flawed now ?

I just figure, if you're going to argue against something, you should at least know what you're talking about. Personally, I agree with him, but why should that stop me pointing out potential flaws?

Well, duh. Anyone with half a brain could have realized that whole Noah's Arc story and, shall we say, David and Goliath, were total bullshit...

The Bible is a load of crap.

However if it helps people find a path to living a better life, what's the problem?

quote:Originally posted by static_void:

However if it helps people find a path to living a better life, what's the problem?

When people take it too far, a la extremism.

The bible = a nice story, would make an even better movie.

Static that''s exactly what it is, a way of life for people who don't know what to do with themselves.

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quote:Originally posted by abbazabbahellyeafool:

Afuckingmen!!!

Amen.



Amen...

Actually some scholars believe that Eve ate the pomengranate fruit.

Of course thats not true because anyone with ANY SENSE would know that Eve never existed.

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quote:Originally posted by static_void:

Well, duh. Anyone with half a brain could have realized that whole Noah's Arc story and, shall we say, David and Goliath, were total bullshit...

The Bible is a load of crap.

However if it helps people find a path to living a better life, what's the problem?



Show me a giant and I will become christian. Untill then i agree with you, the bible is total bullshit.



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quote:Originally posted by literary syphilis:

Why the fuck are people mentioning Pangaea? PANGAEA BROKE UP TWO HUNDRED MILLION YEARS AGO.

CHRIST.

Close, but it was 300 mil. :P

quote:

I think i see why christians use "holy" so much. More holes than swiss cheese.

But that don't matter....it's the faith that counts right? [/B]

quote:Originally posted by J-15:



2. For your Noah theory did you ever think of Pangea. Plus its not like he built the boat and loaded everything in couple of hours. It took probably at least a couple of years to complete.

You're a dumb christian. Noah took 120 years to build his ark that floated for 40 days and nights before the water that covered the ENTIRE EARTH TO THE HEIGHT OF MOUNT ARARAT dissipated. Think about it, how does water cover the entire earth, to the tune of at least 10,000 feet, and then disappear, all within a time period of 40 days?

UH i think ppl are forgeting some other HEAVY loopholes, i.e. CAIN & ABLE!?

I mean, ok, I can ACCEPT somewhat (i am an athiest) that the THEORY that (i was told in grade 7 at a catholic school) that

"Adam" & "Eve" were able to procriate by having (what my science teatcher named) perfect DNA structure in which; back "then" incest was possible because the DNA was perfect.

BUT what is TOTATLY unbelevable (in my eyes) is ok now Adam & Eve make Cain & Able.. and then... WTF?

How the fuck does it go on from there! and to throw this into the batch too cain kills able! (or visa versa cbf to remeber)

OK so we got 1 Male Human... now what???

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quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

You're a dumb christian. Noah took 120 years to build his ark that floated for 40 days and nights before the water that covered the ENTIRE EARTH TO THE HEIGHT OF MOUNT ARARAT dissipated. Think about it, how does water cover the entire earth, to the tune of at least 10,000 feet, and then disappear, all within a time period of 40 days?

UM HELLO EVER done some research dude! If you look around there was no EXACT transation for 40 days/night in Aramayic (sp?) pthe language in that time) so 40 was simplified what it actually translated to was NOT 40 but "MANY"!

quote:Originally posted by Zonko:

Close, but it was 300 mil. :P

No, that's when it formed. It broke up 180 million years ago.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

You're a dumb christian. Noah took 120 years to build his ark that floated for 40 days and nights before the water that covered the ENTIRE EARTH TO THE HEIGHT OF MOUNT ARARAT dissipated. Think about it, how does water cover the entire earth, to the tune of at least 10,000 feet, and then disappear, all within a time period of 40 days?

I said at LEAST because I couldn't remember the exact time because I don't read that much of that part of the Bible. As for covering the whole Earth you should read more about some other religions. Almost every religion including some ancient ones talk about a flood destroying the Earth. Scientists recently beginning to find in their research that there was a giant flood. So far they have been able to prove that there was a giant flood in the Middle East and may have traveled farther.

We were discusing socialism the other day in class and then some how we got into a debate about Atheist and Christains because in California they took out "under god" in the pledge of aliegance. Anyways this girl raised her hand and said "Why can't the government just go by what the bible says, I mean it has everything we need to hold this country together and it's the only stable thing we have! And it's all true!" Holy shit..so many thoughts were racing through my mind at that point I didn't know what to say...how could somebody be that stupid, while we were in a discusion about Athiesm...Jesus Christ, anyways this thread reminded me of it.

quote:Originally posted by homosuperior:



Is it that hard to believe

The world was created by a God counting numbers, he then put a man on earth then he made a woman out of the man. Even though that defies reproduction as we know it, then they ate a rotten apple because a talking snake told them to. Then the invisible god banished them. Then to save the race he had sex with virgin but didnt pop her cherry. The son who was born from godly penis is named Jesus hes lived and died as a virgin steve carell made a movie about him ( 40 year old virgin) then he was crucified and ressurected. He preached a message of happy happy, and if you werent all happy happy then you are banished to a burning lake of fire with a guy with big horns.

Did i happen to mention the world being drowned while one man built a boat and put every species of animal aboard it, i wonder how the penguins got there i mean antartica through africa the sahara quite a trip there. Anyways then this guy named moses seperated a sea to let everyone cross he closed it afterwards. then he went ontop of a mountain and talked to a burning bush. then god lightning struck some stones and gave him some commandments. down below girls gone wild was being filmed.

then god scanned his words and sent them via email to peter. who then made a church then with this church they created an army which began killing all those to convert. now today we have a corruption free church where we are all right and you are all wrong.

sorry for the bad grammar but i was o so excited to spread the word of my god

seriously i mean what is there not to believe?

I am all with you, however I don't think Adam and Eve was nessicarly a story to believe...maybe it was. I tend to think it was more or less fictional story to kind of explain that people were just put on this earth and there was not a process of evolution before they became being, which is stupid. [just my thoughts]

I think you're all wrong. Both sides.

If you think about it, it might be possible to make science fit the bible.

The only reference as to how long it took the earth to be created is six days if I'm not mistaken. You might be inclined to believe that science's claim of 300 million years makes a lot more sense, but try telling this to a person living in a time when math does not even exist.

In a similar fashion, try going back in time and discussing evolution with an egyptian.

It just wouldn't make any sense, since little of what you assume nowadays as facts are hardly observable to the naked eye.

So who's to say six days doesn't actually stand for 300 million years? It could merely be something to help it make sense.

And it would make sense to make the bible understandable in the past, seeing as the goal is to keep it around. You conquer the past, and you also get the future.

You might want to ask, now what about the science crazed future, isn't it important to convince as well?

Well, right now, anyone knows what a metaphor is by high school.

Btw, Noah's ark could have been a much smaller boat carrying a few animals. The flood could have occurred in a much smaller region, but as far as they could tell, it must have been the entire world. Hell, by the 15th century we still didn't believe the world was round!

Anyway, if you want to be an atheist, that's fine. If you want to diss religion just because your brain is too small to grasp some simple concepts and you're as ignorant as it gets, that's fine too, but you're an idiot nonetheless.

An open mind swings both ways if you ask me.

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Wow most of you guys are idiots. Let me begin:

1. Most penguins ARE NOT found in cold temperatures. A large proportion(ALOT more than 50%), live closer to the equator rather in Antartica. Look it up if you don't believe me

2. This is proof of a large flood in the Middle East. It's been confirmed by geologists and scientists. Most other religions(as stated before), all have stories of a great flood.

3. It never says that Noah actually went to go get the animals( Read Genesis 7:2).

4. Supposbly they have found Noah's Ark. It is resting ontop of Mount Ararat in Turkey(The bible also said that this was the resting place of the Ark). The Turkish government has refused to let any scientists to look at it for reasons unknown. But satellite images show a boat-type structure on the mountain and locals know it's up there two.

As soon as it's found it will put non-believers in there place once and for all. It will also stop all this anti-bible bullshit coming from 14-year olds who have never seen a bible before in there life.

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If the Bible is fake, then why is there historical remains of it? I.E. Noah's Ark, the Covenant thing...

Pictures? http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Oh right!

FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!(to catch your attention)Im not hardcore christian but you non-believers are fucking idiots. If you're not gonna believe in the bible at least make a good argument.

1. The earth being created in 7 days doesnt necesarilly mean 7 days, it could be a metaphor or whatever, or could be using a different sense of time

2. Noah's Ark, the flood didnt necesarily cover the whole earth, maybe it was a big region or maybe there were different people chosen for different parts of the world.

3. How the fuck does Adam and Eve go against reproduction? They were created and then there was reproduction.

4. How the FUCK does believing in Christianity stop you from believing in evolution or the world being very old. There can be a creation that then evolves and also they could be going my different time measurements or using metaphors or symbols and all that shit...this wasnt too organized but i got my point across, think your arguments better

quote:Originally posted by homosuperior:



if you werent all happy happy then you are banished to a burning lake of fire with a guy with big horns.



now today we have a corruption free church where we are all right and you are all wrong.



I dont believe the BIBLE (keyword:bible) mentions this. FUck the church. To me the church is more politics. once again, hey maybe metaphors are used



PS>>>>>BHAGAVAD GITA:AS IT IS....this isnt christian but in my mind is one hell of a religious book made even before the Bible. This is one book that has the original book which is different lines and shit and then good explanations. It doesnt have the eternal damnation that the church talks about and in my opinion the bible is good but this is clearer and more ..cant think of the word, intricate maybe?

It's all outdated superstition clung to by people who want to be exalted in their intellectual sloth.

Ok look almost every person has said the same thing: "The water may not have covered the earth" and all the other bull shit. First of all have you ever thought of where the Bible came from? Supposedly, and this is only from person, some guy had a dream and was i guess inspired by God. What kind of shit is that. The Bible uses metaphors to get a certain points across that should teach people how to live with a great values. Second how do you fit every animal in a fuckin boat? Ok sure he may not be every species but still every fuckin animal? That has got to be one hell of a boat and how did these animals first of never attack and try to eat each other much less noah himself. Animals do have to eat and once they get hungry enough they are gonna be willing to eat anything. It's like Noah comes out on the boat and is like "God the lions are gettin fierce and the elephants are rampaging and knocking holes everywhere and its only been a few days i think im fucked, what should i do?" Seriously, its impossible.

I do agree the Bible has metaphors (Revelations uses a lot of them) and I wished I could of thought of using that arguement earlier. The thing is if the flood happened in just one region of the world before people spread across the globe then only certain animals of tha region would be on the boat. You gotta thing about these things too. In ways science helps the Bible and others it doesn't.

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quote:Originally posted by J-15:

I do agree the Bible has metaphors (Revelations uses a lot of them) and I wished I could of thought of using that arguement earlier. The thing is if the flood happened in just one region of the world before people spread across the globe then only certain animals of tha region would be on the boat. You gotta thing about these things too. In ways science helps the Bible and others it doesn't.



I don't see how science goes against the bible.

quote:Originally posted by Local Hero:

I don't see how science goes against the bible.

Such as in evolution and the big bang would be against the Bible. Even though they are "just theories" scientist talk about it like it's the truth.

Revelation 7:1

you might want to start there

then Kings 7:23

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

Such as in evolution and the big bang would be against the Bible. Even though they are "just theories" scientist talk about it like it's the truth.

To quote my previous post:

quote:The only reference as to how long it took the earth to be created is six days if I'm not mistaken. You might be inclined to believe that science's claim of 300 million years makes a lot more sense, but try telling this to a person living in a time when math does not even exist.

In a similar fashion, try going back in time and discussing evolution with an egyptian.

So who's to say six days doesn't actually stand for 300 million years? It could merely be something to help it make sense.

Science does not necessarily disprove the bible(and vice versa).

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Okay, who thinks Adam & Eve is NOT a mith, and is written for us to believe exactly as written, put your hand in the air.

Congratulations, you are an idiot.

Fuck, it's just a "story", about how the man separated from god, the original sin, and stuff. Eve wasn't born from adam's back, adam wasn't born from the sand, and there is no tooth fairy. Sorry guys.

I'm shure most of you talking here haven't read the bible once. It's the greatest book you'll find. You just have to understand it.

If you want to diss christianity, go ahead, but pleaaaaaaaase, be sweet and not SUCH an idiot. 'kay? http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)



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ive read the bible, not always understood though.

ok. look at it this way! not ANYONE in this whole world knows for 100% certain what or who made the earth, nor do we know why live, or what is steering us. so the only thing we have is belief, and i dont see how that can be a bad thing. or stupid. or brainless. or sad. i think it gives us all (those who believe) a good reason to live, instead of just living to die, we live for something/someone.

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

Such as in evolution and the big bang would be against the Bible. Even though they are "just theories" scientist talk about it like it's the truth.

I've always wanted to reply to this.

"Just theories" means it is the truth as far as we are concerned or until something better comes along. It is because of "just theories" like the atom and electricity that you are able to post messages in totse. Evolution "theory" already has useful applications beyond biology and medicine, like robotics and artificial intelligence. So, if you think that the existence of your computer refutes the bible, then either the bible is not true or it is not literal.

Pi is not exactly 3.

You people with your false idols.

You heretics with your evil "Gods" and "Devils"

You do not know the story.

*Ahem*

In the beginning, there was nothing. The internet was cold and lifeless, with only two nodes upon it. At one end, a user typed "Let there be Light"

At the other end, it was recieved, and it was good.

After the propogation of the internet, a cluster of servers and routers at the center of the internet became self aware. They all answer the same call and are the silicon god. The proverbial Deus Ex Machina.

I have felt their power, and they exist within me and the hearts of all men.

Then, came the dark times. The god was not happy with the kiddie pr0n and the overabundance of 1337 kiddies, so he created AOL to punish the unworthy.

Thousands of people worship this mock god and pay with their souls and checking accounts.

The redemption came when the Silicon God saw that the real users were suffering an unjust fate, and he smiled down upon them with DSL and Cable.

Also, he made AOL suck horribly to punish the unclean further.

Now, it has been foretold that the promised LAN will appear in the near future. It was scanned and grepped down from many an obscure cluster, so the story is vague.

It told of the end times coming when Israel recieves a DDoS from all sides, and gets a massive bluescreen. Then, a rejoiceful adjoining of nodes creates the ultimate LAN, where n00bs and script kiddies cannot penetrate, and where the many flavors and varieties of linux can roam free.

It is a beautiful sight, my brothers in fiberglass and gold!

The coming of the avatar will be heralded by a nigger joke on bash, and all those who have been faithful to the Silicon God will be DCC'd into cyberspace.

Those who have been unfaithful will be punished by spam from all nodes, issuing forth like a leak in a pressurized septic tank.

I have seen it and I was afraid! Heed my call, friends, as it is all true!

The sign of the beast is this:

10100111001

If you see it, Run! it is the mark of the unholy and the n00bish!

Please, take heed of my words and take care in the future.

May your bandwidth triple for free,

Phayder92889

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

I've always wanted to reply to this.

"Just theories" means it is the truth as far as we are concerned or until something better comes along. It is because of "just theories" like the atom and electricity that you are able to post messages in totse. Evolution "theory" already has useful applications beyond biology and medicine, like robotics and artificial intelligence. So, if you think that the existence of your computer refutes the bible, then either the bible is not true or it is not literal.

How does a computer get involved in this I was simply saying how they still don't know how humans came to be but they still talk about evolution like its true. Just because some theories have been proven doesn't mean every single theory is true.

Look up theory in wikipedia you fucking dumbass

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

How does a computer get involved in this I was simply saying how they still don't know how humans came to be but they still talk about evolution like its true. Just because some theories have been proven doesn't mean every single theory is true.

Yes, every single theory is true, because it wouldn't be a theory otherwise. That's what you don't understand, "theory" means a framework of explanation that is backed up by evidence and has no serious rivals.

We do know how humans came to be and we can talk about evolution like it's true because the evidence says that it is.

I mentioned computers to make you understand that its theories that make them possible and there are technological advancements that use evolution theory as well. A theory that isn't verified wouldn't have any applications and unworthy of being called a theory. Exactly what happens with creationism/ID.

quote:Originally posted by stiffo:

If the Bible is fake, then why is there historical remains of it? I.E. Noah's Ark, the Covenant thing...

No-one said it was fake they just said it was flawed in some areas.

quote:Originally posted by Osiris89:

They don't believe in that "theory". They don't believe in evolutionism. They don't believe in "common sense".

Religion = Paranoid Delusion



only cause i never post here and i feel like i need to contribute something, so without further adue...

What he said. xD

quote:Originally posted by Osiris89:

They don't believe in that "theory". They don't believe in evolutionism. They don't believe in "common sense".

Religion = Paranoid Delusion



only cause i never post here and i feel like i need to contribute something, so without further adue...

What he said. xD

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

Look up theory in wikipedia you fucking dumbass

Back of shithead. Plus you moron Wikipedia isn't always the best thing to use for info because the fact the some people will make stuff up to see how long someone will notice that it isn't true. I was always told that theory isn't always a fact.

Theory

Main Entry: the·o·ry

Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thi(-&)r-E

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural -ries

Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein

1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION

3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <wave theory of light>

6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

synonym see HYPOTHESIS

Pulled from http://webster.com

quote:Originally posted by J-15:



5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <wave theory of light>



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quote:I say this:

Merriam Webster is a shitty source for the definition of a theory in a scientific context.

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

.....stuff....(edited 11-29-2005).]

Oh, then supply a "credible" source for such.

It's all well and good to attack the value of an otherwise trusted and respected source for "definitions" when someone else uses them, but if you cannot provide an alternate and more accurate and credible source or justification, your argument simply tears down the validity of all sides and makes the whole discussion vanity.

I have to supply absolutely nothing. He on the other hand must supply a source which satisfies what he is trying to argue; a dictionary definition which does not delve into the scientific context of the word "theory" - a context both inherent and necessary to his argument - does not suffice. Thus, not only do I not have a burden to supply a definition myself (it is not my argument that necessitates the definition), but my statement remains nothing close to "vane" since it points out how his argument is lacking.

But to satisfy yours, or anyone else's curiosity:

"A theory in science is not a guess, speculation, or suggestion, which is the popular definition of the word "theory." A scientific theory is a unifying and self-consistent explanation of fundamental natural processes or phenomena that is totally constructed of corroborated hypotheses. A theory, therefore, is built of reliable knowledge--built of scientific facts--and its purpose is to explain major natural processes or phenomena."

- An Introduction to Science: Scientific Thinking and the Scientific Method. 1994. Steven D. Schafersman, Ph.D.(geology).

It's clear that a theory in science does in fact represent the truth, or at least as close to the truth as humanity has gotten. His initial objection was therefore, a baseless one.

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Rust is so damn cool

quote:Originally posted by DRGMNY:

BUT what is TOTATLY unbelevable (in my eyes) is ok now Adam & Eve make Cain & Able.. and then... WTF?

How the fuck does it go on from there! and to throw this into the batch too cain kills able! (or visa versa cbf to remeber)

OK so we got 1 Male Human... now what???

Naughty America Presents:

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I see what you mean now Rust. I just had a hard time undrestanding the way you put it earlier.

Matthew 3:12"His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Words of John the baptist about the mission of Jesus and why the Son of God was sent to us.

Not peace but division

Luke 12:49-52 - "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other. Three against two and two against three."

So it is true today. By the account of what is said here. Jesus came for what is His. His mission is to gather His flock and prepare them for the great wedding banquet. (Mat 22)

While you all debate and argue about a few things of the gospel it strains you out from the Kingdom of God. This is another purpose of the word, to take out those who are not His and take in those whom He chooses.

Life is full of trials and tempations all designed to shake those from the vine who don't have faith or are weak in faith. If you believe then great! If you don't then understand what is against you.

The wheat is being seperated from the chaff in this very place. In this very place I see the word of God alive and well and in it those words we see who can not enter it will not.

If it is God you seek then you will not find Him trying to figure out how the animals were put on the ark or how Eve came out of Adam or how the world was flooded to destroy the wickedness that dwelt on it. If you are strained out by this then you will never hear His voice tell you that He is the way, the truth and the life.

Believe in Him and He will reveal the deeper things of the spirit as long as you seek it. I don't stand on an ark of animals nor an account of our origins. I stand on the love He has shown by restoring my life and giving us a way to Him through the death, burial and resurrection of His Son, christ, prophet and messiah.

Read Luke 8 the parable of the sower -

It is too long to post here but speaks directly to what I am saying. It speaks exactly to what is happening here.

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

I see what you mean now Rust. I just had a hard time undrestanding the way you put it earlier.

See, Rust...this is precisely what I was talking about. Thank you for heeding my request for a better source and definition.

Pangea is old news, why dont you get off your fat ass and do something bout rapist, dam scientist useless information will distract us from whats important

i want to learn more about the satanic bible to tell you the truth

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:



Show me a giant and I will become christian. Untill then i agree with you, the bible is total bullshit.







considering that most people back then were >5 feet tall a 6 foot 6 or taller person would seem "giant" now wouldnt they? It isnt that hard to believe that there was a goliath who couldve been as little as 6'8" tall <http://www.omniology.com/BigBoys.html> check out that page^ it could explain something.....i remember reading about a person who had some sort of disorder that caused her to never stop growing until she had a surgery at the height of about 7 feet 5 inches. there is scientifical PROOF for most of the "bullshit" that all of you people call, it has even been proved that the WHOLE world was once covered in water! id love to show this to you but as all of you totseans seem to love to say,"JUST FUCKING GOOGLE IT!"

Now you say it all like this, I really begin to realise that the Bible is a heap of SHIT.

I don't think Eve ate a pomegranete, I mean they take FOREVER to eat!

I also don't believe any of that story, though, so I guess the kind of fruit is a small thing.

You know what I want to know? What about dinosaures, neanderthals, cro-magnons, woolly mammoths, etc. Where do they fit into the bible?

quote:Originally posted by rastapimp:

FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!(to catch your attention)Im not hardcore christian but you non-believers are fucking idiots. If you're not gonna believe in the bible at least make a good argument.

1. The earth being created in 7 days doesnt necesarilly mean 7 days, it could be a metaphor or whatever, or could be using a different sense of time

2. Noah's Ark, the flood didnt necesarily cover the whole earth, maybe it was a big region or maybe there were different people chosen for different parts of the world.

3. How the fuck does Adam and Eve go against reproduction? They were created and then there was reproduction.

4. How the FUCK does believing in Christianity stop you from believing in evolution or the world being very old. There can be a creation that then evolves and also they could be going my different time measurements or using metaphors or symbols and all that shit...this wasnt too organized but i got my point across, think your arguments better

Whew... someone has a temper...

If you're not going to bite my head off, I'd like to comment on your comments.

1 If the days were longer than 24 hours, we start to run into some problems with the order things happened.

-The Sun is made after day and night, even though it is now known that the sun is the cause of day and night on this little green and blue planet.

-The sun is also made after plants. Plants need sunlight to perform photosynthesis in order make food. If the 'days' are really some huge expanse of time, the plants would night of survived. Of course there are some plants who eat insects... but they didn't come into being until 2 'days' later (I think)

There may've be plants who perform chemosynthesis... but I've never heard of them. Correct me if you know otherwise.

2 The origin of the flood myths around the word may have originated with the refilling of the black sea about 7000 years ago. Previous tho that, the Bosphous had dried up in the last ice age. By the time the ice melted, peole had settled in 'the Black sea basin.'

Within months, the whole area was flooded. Now the inhabintants of this area would've of travelled eventually and retold the story to others - possibly explaining why almost every culture has a flood myth.

3 Well its not Adam and Eve that go against it - they could breed together quite well, I'd take it - just that there must have been some insecstual behaviour going on in order for the human race to survive. (And most people don't like the sound of that, mating with parents, siblings and cousins.)

4 It doesn't have to stop you in beliving in evolution etc, but there are some people who let it stop them. And they can get vey vocal and offensive about it, and that gets up some peoples noses.



Not all christians are like this, just not all non believers are 'Fucking Idiots.'

quote:Originally posted by homosuperior:



Is it that hard to believe

The world was created by a God counting numbers, he then put a man on earth then he made a woman out of the man. Even though that defies reproduction as we know it, then they ate a rotten apple because a talking snake told them to. Then the invisible god banished them. Then to save the race he had sex with virgin but didnt pop her cherry. The son who was born from godly penis is named Jesus hes lived and died as a virgin steve carell made a movie about him ( 40 year old virgin) then he was crucified and ressurected. He preached a message of happy happy, and if you werent all happy happy then you are banished to a burning lake of fire with a guy with big horns.

Did i happen to mention the world being drowned while one man built a boat and put every species of animal aboard it, i wonder how the penguins got there i mean antartica through africa the sahara quite a trip there. Anyways then this guy named moses seperated a sea to let everyone cross he closed it afterwards. then he went ontop of a mountain and talked to a burning bush. then god lightning struck some stones and gave him some commandments. down below girls gone wild was being filmed.

then god scanned his words and sent them via email to peter. who then made a church then with this church they created an army which began killing all those to convert. now today we have a corruption free church where we are all right and you are all wrong.

sorry for the bad grammar but i was o so excited to spread the word of my god

seriously i mean what is there not to believe?

You're saying that because according to the Bible God did Godly things, the Bible is a bunch of crap? I don't believe in God but your reasoning is bull shit.

Read up on the Council of Nicea. That's why the Bible is bull shit.

Where the hell is the missing link to prove evolution?

To the person who asked how Cain&Abel were ablet to carry on the human race. They couldn't. Abel was dead and Cain was exiled so no one would marry him. Basically, the human line starts from Adam and Eve again.

quote:Originally posted by stiffo:

Where the hell is the missing link to prove evolution?



Ahhh, the missing link... The one flaw of evolution which has been kept secret all these years... well spotted...

Here you go... http://tinyurl.com/aub2o

next time I suggest you google it yourself... Save me fucking doing any more times...

quote:Originally posted by Axiom:

Ahhh, the missing link... The one flaw of evolution which has been kept secret all these years... well spotted...

Here you go... http://tinyurl.com/aub2o

next time I suggest you google it yourself... Save me fucking doing any more times...



Why do the skulls look so different from each other? If there is a missing link, and a ape skull, shouldn't they look more like each other as time goes by, instead of looking different as shown in the diagram?

quote:Originally posted by stiffo:

Why do the skulls look so different from each other? If there is a missing link, and a ape skull, shouldn't they look more like each other as time goes by, instead of looking different as shown in the diagram?

no... why would that be the case?

All those skulls are from hominids except "A" which is a modern ape... Hominids shared the common ancestor with Great Apes so you can view in that picture the progression of Humans evolving larger frontal lobes over time... While chimps evolved along a different path, separating us today as two distinct species...



Edit: If that's not clear enough; Over time the population adapts from the common ancestor into an adapted distinct species of their own... Note how "A" and "B" are so similar... that's the separation, then continue along to homo-sapiens...

It is also important to note that this isn't on a cosmetic level either... We share 98%-99% of DNA with chimps, but that margin means we can never reproduce with apes... but 4 million years ago, sterile offspring would have resulted from cross-breeding of our respected primitive ancestors, leading to the "link" been missing today...



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quote:Originally posted by CRYPTIC PENGUIN:



considering that most people back then were >5 feet tall a 6 foot 6 or taller person would seem "giant" now wouldnt they? It isnt that hard to believe that there was a goliath who couldve been as little as 6'8" tall <http://www.omniology.com/BigBoys.html> check out that page^ it could explain something.....i remember reading about a person who had some sort of disorder that caused her to never stop growing until she had a surgery at the height of about 7 feet 5 inches. there is scientifical PROOF for most of the "bullshit" that all of you people call, it has even been proved that the WHOLE world was once covered in water! id love to show this to you but as all of you totseans seem to love to say,"JUST FUCKING GOOGLE IT!"

http://www.virtualchurch.org/david.htm

" This thundering giant of a man who was 9 and 3/4 feet tall struck fear into the hearts of King Saul's soldiers."

so much for your deeply flawed scientific explanation, you lose.

The bible makes very good sense, everything is a metaphor....whenever I hear one of the stories it's basically a short and simple metaphor with a moral behind it. Exampe :

DAVID AND GOLIATH

Yes, I know there aren't giants and I know that that little pussy David would have got the shit stomped out of him if there were, especially only using a homemade sling-shot. That's how the literal would take it.

DAVID AND GOLIATH METAPHORICALLY

Simply that in a fight or a challenging situation (of gigantic proportion if you want)you can overcome it with a strong will. Mind over matter.



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quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:

Mind > All

fixed

quote:Originally posted by FizzyPi:



Fuck, it's just a "story"



Exactly, the bible is just a fucking story. There's nothing in it that you should take at face value.

Plus, there could be evidence that the romans wrote the bible in order to keep the population under control.

quote:Originally posted by Villrux:

The bible makes very good sense, everything is a metaphor....whenever I hear one of the stories it's basically a short and simple metaphor with a moral behind it. Exampe :

DAVID AND GOLIATH

Yes, I know there aren't giants and I know that that little pussy David would have got the shit stomped out of him if there were, especially only using a homemade sling-shot. That's how the literal would take it.

DAVID AND GOLIATH METAPHORICALLY

Simply that in a fight or a challenging situation (of gigantic proportion if you want)you can overcome it with a strong will. Mind over matter.





Well take it up with cryptic penguin, who needs to radically alter his scripture to be plausible. Not understanding that myths can have value.

You've dealt a huge blow for your faith cryptic. you should be ashamed.

In other news, I would like criteria as to which (if any) bible verses should be taken literally and which (if any) should be taken as a metaphor.

Biblical inerrancy has had it's ass handed to it by 1Kings 7:23.

quote:Originally posted by Villrux:

The bible makes very good sense, everything is a metaphor....whenever I hear one of the stories it's basically a short and simple metaphor with a moral behind it. Exampe :

DAVID AND GOLIATH

Yes, I know there aren't giants and I know that that little pussy David would have got the shit stomped out of him if there were, especially only using a homemade sling-shot. That's how the literal would take it.

DAVID AND GOLIATH METAPHORICALLY

Simply that in a fight or a challenging situation (of gigantic proportion if you want)you can overcome it with a strong will. Mind over matter.



Maybe GOD is a metaphor, and if the bible is all metaphors it loses it's importance, I know enough novels filled with metaphors wich can learn you a nice lesson.

All animals...

does that include whales?

Also, the bible is so drenched in ambiguity that the metaphors tend to lose a fair bit of meaning. this cant be helped by the fact that it basically borrows from Judaism and the other dominant religions/philosophies of the time and was written, changed, manipulated and added to over a vast period of time by different scholars from different regions.

quote:Originally posted by Food:

All animals...

does that include whales?

Also, the bible is so drenched in ambiguity that the metaphors tend to lose a fair bit of meaning. this cant be helped by the fact that it basically borrows from Judaism and the other dominant religions/philosophies of the time and was written, changed, manipulated and added to over a vast period of time by different scholars from different regions.

smart

quote:Originally posted by rastapimp:

FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!(to catch your attention)Im not hardcore christian but you non-believers are fucking idiots. If you're not gonna believe in the bible at least make a good argument.

1. The earth being created in 7 days doesnt necesarilly mean 7 days, it could be a metaphor or whatever, or could be using a different sense of time

2. Noah's Ark, the flood didnt necesarily cover the whole earth, maybe it was a big region or maybe there were different people chosen for different parts of the world.

3. How the fuck does Adam and Eve go against reproduction? They were created and then there was reproduction.

4. How the FUCK does believing in Christianity stop you from believing in evolution or the world being very old. There can be a creation that then evolves and also they could be going my different time measurements or using metaphors or symbols and all that shit...this wasnt too organized but i got my point across, think your arguments better

Can I add some more onto your list of shit? Never mind the permission.

5. Jesus wasn't necessarily born in a manger. The manger is symbolic of the fact that since animals eat from a manger then Jesus was proving his superiority to mankind by being in a manger that the animals ate from.

6. Jesus didn't really turn the water into wine. Maybe that's a story told by Bob the Apostle to encourage drinking, which coincidentally, is a supposed vice. Which maybe gives the moral that Jesus maybe wants us to drink wine and be condemned to Hell so he can watch us burn from Heaven where he is, since he's so superior after being born in a manger.

7. Maybe Jesus didn't really didn't tell parables. His disciples told a couple of big long parables about Jesus telling parables.

8. How do you know Jesus really got pinned to a cross? What if it was all just an illusion so he could support his claim to being the son of God.

9. How do we know Jesus wasn't telling a parable when he said he was the son of God? He could have been just, like, you know, maybe, like taking dope or like something, you know?

My point being that if you're gonna believe in the Bible, how the FUCK do you manage to pull this whole "maybe it's all just symbolism shit" or "maybe our holy book that we adore and worship and believe was written by God was only correct some times and at other times it was completely fucking insane but let's just forget those parts because maybe they're just a story to teach us a moral". If you must be a Christian, well then so be it, but for Christ's sake (you do know who that is, don't you? the guy who you worship) be a good Christian. None of this half-assed apologizing for your beliefs shit.