How do you know that your faith is correct. The Catholic faith is different than someone who is Buddhist, so how could one decide which faith is 'correct'.

If someone was given a choice to beleive in a religion, how would they know, which one would lead them to life after death (assuming there is one god), for instance, the Christians will beleive in their faith, and deny the Islamic faith, but how do they know that they are wrong in their beliefs? Wouldn't people begin to question their religion, but not alot have, is it fear of banishment to a 'hell', or being reincarnated as a insect that scares them into staying with their faith?

I don't know...I am kinda answering my question in my head, and this question isn't formed very well...so just try to bear with me.

To quote Bill Maher:

"This week – let me just expand on why I feel this way. This week, it just happened that God pulled off a hat trick on the same day – well, he did – on the same day, there were three major holidays: the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi for the Christians, Ramadan started, and Roshashona all fell on the same day. Now, if all three groups believe so fervently – you know where I'm going with this—"

"--isn't it obvious somebody is wrong? [laughter] And if somebody is wrong, aren't they all wrong? [laughter] "



Anyways, to answer your question, they know their faith is the one true faith because they have been brainwashed. Humans can be easily brainwashed if you get them young enough, this is what happens with religion.



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No matter what point on the planet you start digging, if you dig down deep enough, everyone eventually hits the center of the earth.

Same deal with your soul.

I never realized Bill Maher was such a shit eater

quote:Originally posted by rob0ts are US:

Wouldn't people begin to question their religion, but not alot have, is it fear of banishment to a 'hell', or being reincarnated as a insect that scares them into staying with their faith?



Isn't the main premise of a faith-based belief that it is THE way, THE word, and THE final authority on everything? Otherwise, if you had doubts, could you really claim it as your "faith"? Otherwise, they should call it "wonder".

Well I really struggled with this question as I took the big steps into christianity. I would ask that you ignore the people who claim "Religion brainwashes everyone;" as you'll usually find people who say such a thing know of no intelligent theologians nor do they approach any faith open-mindedly.

I was beginning to ask the very same question a little while ago...just sort of wondering, what makes us think that we know?

As I asked alot of my christian brothers and sisters, but few were giving realistic answers. I then took the next logical step and brought it up in prayer. I asked GOD if he was truly there; begging him to really reveal himself to me.

Shortly afterwords, something (personal) happened and I was zealously believing again.

Maybe if you do the same, and keep an open mind, something might happen. I will pray for you.

^ What happened?

If I ever start believing in a religion that requires faith again, it would be Islam.

Their holy book is perfect, and they are unified by a single version of it. There aren't multiple versions, like there are of the Bible.

quote:Their holy book is perfect, and they are unified by a single version of it. There aren't multiple versions, like there are of the Bible.

The Hebrew Tanakh is the same way.

And like the Koran, its only relevant in its original language.

quote:Originally posted by rob0ts are US:

How do you know that your faith is correct.

You have faith that it is.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

You have faith that it is.

Faith means ignoring facts? People who take religion and religious folk seriously are idiots.

"Faith ignores facts"?

First of all, that's not what the Rabbi said.

Second of all, that couldn't be farther from the truth.

No matter what fact you encounter during the course of your day, it is in and of itself useless in providing any form of purpose or self-justification for human psychology. "Gravity pulls objects towards other objects" is barely worth a fuck by itself. If it's put in the context of a particular religion, it makes sense.

Faith doesn't ignore facts; it looks at the context behind them that "facts" themselves cannot explain or justify.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

No matter what point on the planet you start digging, if you dig down deep enough, everyone eventually hits the center of the earth.

Same deal with your soul.

No if you somehow dug down far enough the heat would certainly kill you.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

"Faith ignores facts"?

First of all, that's not what the Rabbi said.

Second of all, that couldn't be farther from the truth.

No matter what fact you encounter during the course of your day, it is in and of itself useless in providing any form of purpose or self-justification for human psychology. "Gravity pulls objects towards other objects" is barely worth a fuck by itself. If it's put in the context of a particular religion, it makes sense.

Faith doesn't ignore facts; it looks at the context behind them that "facts" themselves cannot explain or justify.

soo---humans turn to religion for an excuse for explaination....religion and believing in something supernatural brings comfort to people because we don't like what we don't understand---im not religious---and people who are always seem to explain things regarding their beliefs and quote what their pastor said last sunday---

It's all in your head---but we all need to believe something right---so just do whatever floats ur boat...

Apparently, I need to change my handle to "Tyrant, Who Is Not A Christian."

soo---humans turn to religion for an excuse for explaination....

Humans do not turn to religion, as though it were something malicious to human existence. Religion is an expression of human desire to understand that which "facts" themselves are impotent in explaining.

....religion and believing in something supernatural brings comfort to people...

Blankets are comfort. Furniture is comfort. Taking your pants out of the dryer immediately after it's done spinning is comfort. Religion is existential contemplation and communication with the correlation and harmony of that which exists outside the range of the elemental world.

...because we don't like what we don't understand

Religion is also not a cop-out to explain that which we don't understand. Religion is about the metaphysical orientation of the world. It has nothing to do with our knowledge, because its nature deals exclusively with that which is beyond Knowledge as principle.

It's all in your head---but we all need to believe something right---so just do whatever floats ur boat...

My boat floats on an ocean of homosexual corpses. Does this mean I have your blessing to begin slaughtering millions?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rob0ts are US:

[B]How do you know that your faith is correct. The Catholic faith is different than someone who is Buddhist, so how could one decide which faith is 'correct'.

According to a South Park episode the mormons were the correct faith.Everybody else went to hell.

I had a topic on here not long ago explaining why I think their isn't a wrong religion. Unless its something like Satanism.

quote:Originally posted by J-15:

I had a topic on here not long ago explaining why I think their isn't a wrong religion. Unless its something like Satanism.

Why is satanism wrong and other religions right?

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

Originally posted by J-15:

I had a topic on here not long ago explaining why I think their isn't a wrong religion. Unless its something like Satanism.

Why is satanism wrong and other religions right?

Because morally its not right in what they believe in. Look at the other religions they almost all agree on almost every little thing that is morally right.

Humans do not turn to religion, as though it were something malicious to human existence. Religion is an expression of human desire to understand that which "facts" themselves are impotent in explaining

base by base facts...it's what humans use to explain the supernatural----"an excuse"---If facts are impotent to explaining it--then how is something you can't prove going to work ne better

Blankets are comfort. Furniture is comfort. Taking your pants out of the dryer immediately after it's done spinning is comfort. Religion is existential contemplation and communication with the correlation and harmony of that which exists outside the range of the elemental world.

First of....big words don't confuse me...what does all that contemplation and communication do for you----it makes you feel better---it brings comfort into your life...

Religion is also not a cop-out to explain that which we don't understand. Religion is about the metaphysical orientation of the world. It has nothing to do with our knowledge, because its nature deals exclusively with that which is beyond Knowledge as principle.

the definition of religion basically says the worship of any god or gods...metaphysical orientation....wtf are you sayin...if it deals exclusively with that which is beyond knowledge, how the piss do u think you know so much about it---

My boat floats on an ocean of homosexual corpses. Does this mean I have your blessing to begin slaughtering millions?

Sure---kill those basturds---oh..but im not gay, and if this is really what u think, ur crazier than the idea of a religion........

peace

life_not_traveled:

base by base facts...it's what humans use to explain the supernatural----"an excuse"---If facts are impotent to explaining it--then how is something you can't prove going to work ne better

We only understand something as 'proven' when we can physically reproduce its effects in relation to tangible objects. If we're dealing with a metaphysical and spiritual force, which by definition does not have empirically measurable properties, it can't be 'proven.'

Religion is our expression of our relationship with that unifying metaphysical force.

First of....big words don't confuse me

Not trying to.

...what does all that contemplation and communication do for you----it makes you feel better---it brings comfort into your life...

Walk up to a Zen monk that woke up at 4:30 in the morning to sit beneath the full force of an ice-cold waterfall and meditate on koans for two hours, and ask him if he's feeling cozy.

Jackass.

the definition of religion basically says the worship of any god or gods

While you're talking to the monk at the waterfall, ask him if he worships a god.

...metaphysical orientation....wtf are you sayin

Apparently, big words do confuse you...

"Metaphysical orientation" = the hierarchy of the world as a series of varying expressions of spiritual energy. Religion is about a man's relationship to that hierarchy.

...if it deals exclusively with that which is beyond knowledge, how the piss do u think you know so much about it---

Because spirituality isn't interested in appealing to the fetish of analytical science; instead, it speaks to the deeper dimensions of human existence that questions purpose and direction.



Sure---kill those basturds---oh..but im not gay, and if this is really what u think, ur crazier than the idea of a religion........

Don't say, "do whatever floats ur boat," and then expect to have the right to disagree with how someone interprets that.