Part 1

Most athiest and the like say that christianity is a stupid and illogical religion. They say that religion is for unintelligent or right-brained people that dont think in a logical way. Well i say that you people don't know everything about the universe either, therefore you can't prove its not true.

It's the ignorant fools that follow the religion that make it seem stupid because they take everything about it in a literal way. Like the bible for example, which is really an allegory, meaning that everything written in it is just a long metaphor. It teaches how to be a good person by showing examples. It also teaches of how the world started and how it will end. I can't decide on my belief whether to choose either intelligent design or the evolutionary theory, but the story of Adam and Eve must hold some deeper meaning that relates to one of those theory's or something completely different. Just like in the book of revelations where it says how the world will end. The beast represents something just like everything else in that section of the bible. That is my conclusion of how the bible is an allegory.

Part 2

The ignorant followers of this religion believe in hell as somewhere we go if we sin and don't repent after we die and we suffer for all eternity in the fire of brimstone. That is by far the most stupid bullshit that they have tried to brainwash me with in a catholic school i went to for 9 years as well as everything else they thought me. It's either the teachers are also ignorant fools or they just teach it to us intentionally so we wind up like the ignorant fools that believe in all the religions aspects in a literal way. Just so we wind up being like sheep that abstain from doing bad things by making us believe more than that all our actions have consequences by telling us about sin. That brings us to another point about sin.

Sin is just another way of saying that all our actions have consequences and its through those consequences we create our own hell here on earth. Not in the afterlife. Its a fact that God is omni-benevolent and he loves us all and would not send anyone to an eternity of suffering but rather one in the short life we have on earth where we learn a list of things that i do not wish to explain at the moment cause of my late-night mental fatigue, so im keeping this short.

When we die our soul(ectoplasm) simply rises away into the atmosphere to only god knows where. On several occasions when people are murdered they stay around the area near the place they are murdered and stick around. They do not know they are dead, they are confused. The try to seek out the answer, sometimes by traveling through the world until they find it .

Don't be surprised if a ghost randomly appears at your house. It may be just a lost soul traveling through your house and should leave pretty quickly. But when you do see a ghost, do not be afraid, because nothing in this world is to be feared but to be understood. Simply ask them in a calm manner why they are here or answer there questions. Tell them that they are dead, and that is there answer. They should leave this world shortly after that and go to God.

The second choice we recieve is to be reincarnated and have another chance at life and to learn more. Rarely does someone remember what our past life has been. But when someone does its usually a faint memory. After we die again we come back as the same soul which became reincarnated, thats very logical that we are the same soul, we just know more.

The third final choice we have is to merge with God. God is everything. We are part of god. This just completes the process. No part of god can be destroyed just like the energy our souls are, and water which is also part of god as is everything which can only be transformed into something else which is no less than what it was before.

I'd like to thank Armsmerchant for opening my mind to this. I now preach it to my friends, and family and i get very positive reactions.

I still wish to expand on it and and polish it so i can possibly write a book on it. One of my smarter friends (There all pretty stupid) suggested i do it and that im damn smart for a 14 year old because i always have all the answers to his questions.

Now bombard me with all your questions, comments, and suggestions. I might have left a few spelling, grammar, etc. mistakes, so just tell me if you care.

You open this discussion stating that atheists "don't know everything about the universe either, therefore they can't prove its not true".

Then you go on to (rather arrogantly at that) make claims providing no evidence to suggest it is true.

Hypocrisy at it's best. If you want to state your beliefs, and what it is that supports them, go ahead. But don't get on here calling others "ignorant fools".

You're cocky. While some people with weak minds and no critical thinking skills may be swayed easily to believe your claims, you will have to try a little harder to convince most of us.

[This message has been edited by Elephantitis Man (edited 01-22-2006).]

You'd do better without posioning the well of discourse, proposing an arguement from ignorance, using straw-men to prop up your arguement from ignorance and being in general illogical. *smacks Ducko with a logic textbook*

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[This message has been edited by Fundokiller (edited 01-22-2006).]

"Most athiest and the like say that christianity is a stupid and illogical religion."

Unless you have listened to the majority of athiests speak you do know know what they say.

"They say that religion is for unintelligent or right-brained people that dont think in a logical way."

There are quite a lot of athiests with many differing opinions on religion. Grouping all athiests together like this is like saying all christians are dumbasses.

"Well i say that you people don't know everything about the universe either, therefore you can't prove its not true."

I cannot absolutely prove that every other person on this earth is not a chicken in a human suit. Or that anyone else even exists. An all powerful god could tinker with my perceptions so that it appears like it is. Not being able to prove something is wrong does not make it right.

"It's the ignorant fools that follow the religion that make it seem stupid because they take everything about it in a literal way."

Most religiouns followers including their founders have taken religious writings literally. As far as I know reading religious literature metaphorically has only happened recently in an attempt to reconcile religion with science. Calling all people who take the bible literally ignorant is speaking of many of the churches most important historical figures.

"Like the bible for example, which is really an allegory, meaning that everything written in it is just a long metaphor."

Without speaking to the bibles authors it is difficult to know what the bible is.

" can't decide on my belief whether to choose either intelligent design or the evolutionary theory"

You don't have to decide on a belief you can just accept there is a lack of evidence and acknowledge both sides are possible.

"but the story of Adam and Eve must hold some deeper meaning that relates to one of those theory's or something completely different."

You can find a deeper meaning in any story

"Its a fact that God is omni-benevolent and he loves us all and would not send anyone to an eternity of suffering but rather one in the short life we have on earth where we learn a list of things that i do not wish to explain at the moment cause of my late-night mental fatigue, so im keeping this short."

Evidence for the fact?

"When we die our soul(ectoplasm) simply rises away into the atmosphere to only god knows where. On several occasions when people are murdered they stay around the area near the place they are murdered and stick around."

Evidence?

"hey do not know they are dead, they are confused. The try to seek out the answer, sometimes by traveling through the world until they find it "

How the hell do you know what goes on in the

"minds" of dead people?

"The second choice we recieve is to be reincarnated and have another chance at life and to learn more."

Evidence?

Not the whole "you can't prove it"..."well neither can you!" thing again.

Look, people believe what they want according to their faith (or lack of it). People like you post this half baked rubbish all the time, with statements that actually do not go anywhere ie. the one about the Adam & Eve story having to have more meaning.

Moral of the story - Don't bother.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

You open this discussion stating that atheists "don't know everything about the universe either, therefore they can't prove its not true".

Then you go on to (rather arrogantly at that) make claims providing no evidence to suggest it is true.

Hypocrisy at it's best. If you want to state your beliefs, and what it is that supports them, go ahead. But don't get on here calling others "ignorant fools".

You're cocky. While some people with weak minds and no critical thinking skills may be swayed easily to believe your claims, you will have to try a little harder to convince most of us.





I wasn't refering to the atheists as a whole. I was refering to the people who have the wrong view of christianity, which often are part of it another religion or none at all.

As for providing evidence to support my claims , i will do that shortly.

[This message has been edited by OMr_duckO (edited 01-22-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

"Most athiest and the like say that christianity is a stupid and illogical religion."

Unless you have listened to the majority of athiests speak you do know know what they say.

"They say that religion is for unintelligent or right-brained people that dont think in a logical way."

There are quite a lot of athiests with many differing opinions on religion. Grouping all athiests together like this is like saying all christians are dumbasses.

"Well i say that you people don't know everything about the universe either, therefore you can't prove its not true."

I cannot absolutely prove that every other person on this earth is not a chicken in a human suit. Or that anyone else even exists. An all powerful god could tinker with my perceptions so that it appears like it is. Not being able to prove something is wrong does not make it right.

"It's the ignorant fools that follow the religion that make it seem stupid because they take everything about it in a literal way."

Most religiouns followers including their founders have taken religious writings literally. As far as I know reading religious literature metaphorically has only happened recently in an attempt to reconcile religion with science. Calling all people who take the bible literally ignorant is speaking of many of the churches most important historical figures.

"Like the bible for example, which is really an allegory, meaning that everything written in it is just a long metaphor."

Without speaking to the bibles authors it is difficult to know what the bible is.

" can't decide on my belief whether to choose either intelligent design or the evolutionary theory"

You don't have to decide on a belief you can just accept there is a lack of evidence and acknowledge both sides are possible.

"but the story of Adam and Eve must hold some deeper meaning that relates to one of those theory's or something completely different."

You can find a deeper meaning in any story

"Its a fact that God is omni-benevolent and he loves us all and would not send anyone to an eternity of suffering but rather one in the short life we have on earth where we learn a list of things that i do not wish to explain at the moment cause of my late-night mental fatigue, so im keeping this short."

Evidence for the fact?

"When we die our soul(ectoplasm) simply rises away into the atmosphere to only god knows where. On several occasions when people are murdered they stay around the area near the place they are murdered and stick around."

Evidence?

"hey do not know they are dead, they are confused. The try to seek out the answer, sometimes by traveling through the world until they find it "

How the hell do you know what goes on in the

"minds" of dead people?

"The second choice we recieve is to be reincarnated and have another chance at life and to learn more."

Evidence?

Is that not what the bible says, that god is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving?

It's true that god can tinker with our perceptions and do whatever the hell he wants with us because he is all powerful. That is a tough thing to argue against, but it would help if we understood everything there is to know about science, like what makes us percieve what we percieve.

Alot of people argue that we cannot have free-will and that all our actions are pre-destined because god already knows what choices we will make because he is all- knowing. Well god gave us free will which limited his own ability to know what choices we will make as a gift to show his love for us. He does not know what choices we will make, he only knows what the results of our choices will be.

"God is ombni-benevolent, he would not send us to hell for any reason, i can sin all i want and ill still go to heaven." That statement is true, but like i said, all our actions have consequences leading to our own hell on earth. The bible, ten commandments, golden rule, all suggest us rules of conduct. I say that if we all followed them, the world would not be the living hell for all of us people like it is now.

"Theres is no point in following them anyway and being like Jebus. because what difference would one person make?" I say that it would encourage others to be like you, and you would benefit greatly from it in many ways.

It is a scientific fact that when we die. The energy inside of us escapes from our body, and floats away into space. By logical thinking you would come to the idea that it made a choice to go to heaven, because then how would you explain ghosts. I have proof of there existence for all you skeptics. On several occasions in several places, like my old house and while vacationing in poland, in the woods.

I've took snapshots and had noticed orbs, and even human figures.I can even show them if i can get hold of my friends scanner. If that is not enough proof then look at all the evidence shown on the internet. There is so much that it's hard not to believe in it. I wonder how science would explain them as not ghosts.

I don't believe in miracles because i think that science would prove almost anything, but unfortunately we can can't. Our brains cannot go to there full potential. On average people use ten percent of our brains only. Einstein for example had more neurons in his brain attached together and he could have used a slightly higher percentage of his brain. With that, he was by far one of the greatest scientist to ever exist and he was a christian.

If you study and research things like ghosts and reincarnation and try to put it together then you will have your evidence. I have researched these things for at least two years and have come to the conclusions i have written about with that.

The way I see it, DuckO, you dont know the true meaning of Christianity either.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

The way I see it, DuckO, you dont know the true meaning of Christianity either.

Hey, atleast i tried. I'm just trying to fit in around here.

[This message has been edited by OMr_duckO (edited 01-23-2006).]

"The universe is everything. We are part of the universe... No part of the universe can be destroyed just like the energy our souls are, and water which is also part of the universe as is everything which can only be transformed into something else which is no less than what it was before."

See, everything makes more sense without the "god" in it.