I have wondered. Does it show a lack of faith or what?

Christians are stupid, but not that stupid.

Christianity teaches respect for life. Apparently, many christians choose this to mean their own life. So there can be christian murderers, but no christian suicide bombers.

also christians support the death penalty

edit:also christians are pussies

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christians are too stupid to make the explosives. So they get the jews to do it. and the jews are smart enough to know that a bomber pilot can kill more people in his career than a suicide bomber. the arabs are inbetween i guess. smart enough to make the bombs but not smart enough set it off without blowing there ass back to whatever hell spawned sand-niggers. adderall makes me racist. oh yeah and btw werent there some chechnyan(sp?) suicide bombers a few years back who were christian? or am i just pulling that out of my ass?

Suicide is frowned upon universally in Christianity... DUH!!!

Christians have been generally discouraged from killing themselves since 300AD when the church realized their members didn't donate any money post-suicide.

well..

it's even in one of the ten commandments, "thou shalt not murder"

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Christians have been generally discouraged from killing themselves since 300AD when the church realized their members didn't donate any money post-suicide.

You can always rely on the Church to cut the Jesus crap to a minimum. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by yoda_me07:



well..

it's even in one of the ten commandments, "thou shalt not murder"

I suppose you could cite that as support. The verse in Hebrew gives the context of unjustified killing, however. Surely most suicides are indeed truely unjustified under normal circumstances.

wanst the first female suicide bomber a christian from lebanon?

quote:Originally posted by woodlander:

I have wondered. Does it show a lack of faith or what?

No, it actually shows a strong Faith. We don't have to prove our God, our God proves Himself. God will not be mocked. NO WHERE in God's Inspire Word does he command or even ask us to die for him. On the contrary He died for us. As they die for their god, Our God has died for us. What does that say?

quote:Originally posted by woodlander:

I have wondered. Does it show a lack of faith or what?

Why would we (Christians) bomb people ?

Our Bible doesn't tell us to kill people that don't believe...our mission is to SAVE the lost, not shove them into Hell.

This is precisely why my skin crawls everytime some crazed atheist starts screaming about the violence religion spawns, and mentions Christianity as an example.

So...stupid.

quote:Originally posted by NiggersWithAttitude:

also christians support the death penalty

edit:also christians are pussies



Blanket statements proof does not make.

I AM 100% AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

I am also 100% Christian. Most of the Christians in my community are against the death penalty, too.

Reality check[mate].

Because the Christian "faith" doesn't exist anymore. It's been fucked over by the Western culture of Sex, Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll. Christianity isn't a religion anymore, but an Icon. Only fucktards like this tamponsucker here "keep the faith".

Islam is also an Icon. It's an Icon of being a hopelessly desperate sheepfucker who will die of poverty if he doesn't die of bomb suicide. Owned again, by the culture of Sex, Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll.

I can't think of any Christian suicide bombers off the top of my head, but terrorism is still rampant in Christianity. The Unibomber, for example, was a fanatic. Don't tell me the IRA is secular, either. That's just off the top of my head.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Why would we (Christians) bomb people ?

Our Bible doesn't tell us to kill people that don't believe...our mission is to SAVE the lost, not shove them into Hell.

This is precisely why my skin crawls everytime some crazed atheist starts screaming about the violence religion spawns, and mentions Christianity as an example.

So...stupid.

Isn't it Bush who goes to church regularly and believes the Bible is the word of God? Oh, whatta fucking coincidence, he's also the guy who is the Commander-in-Chief of the US troops who are MURDERING people across the Mideast. Here's a suggestion... why don't the lot of you self-proclaimed Christians get the fuck off your ass and start DOING what you like to preach. Fucking hypocrites.

On topic: Muslims believe dying in battle for Allah's sake gives them greater rewards in the afterlife. Suicide bombing affords the fastest route to Paradise while insuring it does damage to the motherfuckers who drove you to such a point in the first place.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

This is precisely why my skin crawls everytime some crazed atheist starts screaming about the violence religion spawns, and mentions Christianity as an example.



If you read the news, it looks like religion is one of the major reasons people kill one another. Christians are well-represented in this.

you people are fucking idiots. muslims aren't fucking suicide bombers because they are muslim! all faiths have something about the afterlife in them, so there should be no problem for a christian to blow himself up doing "gods work" or killing "gods enemies" surely god would allow him into heaven for that.

the only fucking difference is, there is no christian society under as much pressure and agression as muslim ones are right now.

if christians were ghettoised and fucked with as much as the palestinians are, by people with lots of money and guns and planes, surely there would be a few christians who would be willing to die to strike back at the enemy.

suicide attacks are not a muslim thing, people of all faiths will do a suicide attack if there is the right ammount of pressure on them.

hell i'd strap myself to a bomb and charge the enemy, and im not even slightly religious, and i don't believe in life after death, but it would be cool to die knowing your worst enemies are going to suffer worse than you.

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

I can't think of any Christian suicide bombers off the top of my head, but terrorism is still rampant in Christianity. The Unibomber, for example, was a fanatic. Don't tell me the IRA is secular, either. That's just off the top of my head.

He was not acting in accordance with ANYTHING in the Bible, so no...he wasn't a Christian.

Way to make an ass of yourself, JSax.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Isn't it Bush who goes to church regularly and believes the Bible is the word of God? Oh, whatta fucking coincidence, he's also the guy who is the Commander-in-Chief of the US troops who are MURDERING people across the Mideast. Here's a suggestion... why don't the lot of you self-proclaimed Christians get the fuck off your ass and start DOING what you like to preach. Fucking hypocrites.

On topic: Muslims believe dying in battle for Allah's sake gives them greater rewards in the afterlife. Suicide bombing affords the fastest route to Paradise while insuring it does damage to the motherfuckers who drove you to such a point in the first place.

I cannot attest to the validity of his faith. You people need to get it through your thick skulls that CLAIMING to be a Christian and actually BEING one are two different things.

Going to church every Sunday your entire life doesn't make you a Christian, either.

Maybe you all should actually read the Bible, so you can have SOME idea of what you're addressing here.

Those of us that are REAL Christians ARE DOING SOMETHING. Just because you never step foot in a church or watch anything besides the hate speech that comes from the liberal media doesn't mean we don't exist or that we are doing what Christ called us to do, which is love and spread his gospel throughout the world.

And yes, it makes perfect sense for these guys to die in the name of Allah, when it is really all about gaining virgins for themselves.

They are DYING for themselves !

How can you not see that ?

quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:

you people are fucking idiots. muslims aren't fucking suicide bombers because they are muslim! all faiths have something about the afterlife in them, so there should be no problem for a christian to blow himself up doing "gods work" or killing "gods enemies" surely god would allow him into heaven for that.

The Judeo-Christian God is a God of love and mercy, not destruction and retribution.

The problem with your line of thinking is that you're not considering what a dumbass God would have to be to create humanity, only to instruct His followers to kill unbelievers.

WHAT KIND OF SENSE DOES THAT MAKE ?

"I will make a creation, so it can destroy itself. Yes, that's the ticket."

You watch too many cartoons.

quote:the only fucking difference is, there is no christian society under as much pressure and agression as muslim ones are right now.

if christians were ghettoised and fucked with as much as the palestinians are, by people with lots of money and guns and planes, surely there would be a few christians who would be willing to die to strike back at the enemy.

First of all, CHINA. (just search for persecution of christians in China)

Second, we are told to NEVER strike out in violence. If we are persecuted, we are supposed to take it.

Do we always do what we're told ? No, certainly not, so you're probably right. Christians might start fighting back and forgetting Jesus' commandments of peace and love for all mankind.

This is simply because humans are weak. The kind of "Christians" that dominate America are pathetic, and they don't really get what it's all about.

quote:suicide attacks are not a muslim thing, people of all faiths will do a suicide attack if there is the right ammount of pressure on them.

hell i'd strap myself to a bomb and charge the enemy, and im not even slightly religious, and i don't believe in life after death, but it would be cool to die knowing your worst enemies are going to suffer worse than you.

What other religion has performed suicide bombs with such frequency and dedication ?

And if dying that way is "cool" to you, I wonder about your quality of life.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

He was not acting in accordance with ANYTHING in the Bible, so no...he wasn't a Christian.

Way to make an ass of yourself, JSax.

I feel obligated to note that the fanatical Islam that spawns terrorism really isn't based on completely Quaranic Islam, either. But yes, you do have a point. The Unibomber didn't go out and say "God told me to blow up a skyscaper."

However, my point regarding Ireland still stands. That clusterfuck exists simply because people think they are doing God's will.

If one wants a more extreme example of Christian violence, look back towards the inquisition or the Crusades. These people also claimed to be doing God's will.

My point in mentioning these examples is to simply point out that Christianity is not perfect: it has spawned a great deal of violence, just like many other major religions.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The Judeo-Christian God is a God of love and mercy, not destruction and retribution.

The problem with your line of thinking is that you're not considering what a dumbass God would have to be to create humanity, only to instruct His followers to kill unbelievers.

WHAT KIND OF SENSE DOES THAT MAKE ?

You tell me. It's in the freakin' Bible.

http://tinyurl.com/dranz

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Christians have been generally discouraged from killing themselves since 300AD when the church realized their members didn't donate any money post-suicide.

nice.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I cannot attest to the validity of his faith. You people need to get it through your thick skulls that CLAIMING to be a Christian and actually BEING one are two different things.

Going to church every Sunday your entire life doesn't make you a Christian, either.

Maybe you all should actually read the Bible, so you can have SOME idea of what you're addressing here.

Those of us that are REAL Christians ARE DOING SOMETHING. Just because you never step foot in a church or watch anything besides the hate speech that comes from the liberal media doesn't mean we don't exist or that we are doing what Christ called us to do, which is love and spread his gospel throughout the world.

And yes, it makes perfect sense for these guys to die in the name of Allah, when it is really all about gaining virgins for themselves.

They are DYING for themselves !

How can you not see that ?

So, aside from sitting at your desk making money, for God I suppose, and urging on God's chosen people to kill more innocent Palestinian schoolchildren, what are you doing with your life to help people? Oh, I know, you're supporting the troops in Iraq, while you type up rants about the love Christians are sending around the world at gunpoint.

They are dying for their God, the same way you proclaim that you'd die for your God. What makes them different? Their God commands them to die while fighting, while your God commands you to do what the Christians in China did, passively surrender, curl up and die.

there are. In Palestine or Pakistan i can't remember

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What other religion has performed suicide bombs with such frequency and dedication ?

And if dying that way is "cool" to you, I wonder about your quality of life.



you're a fucking idiot.



where in the christian world have these conditions existed?

1. availlabillity of explosives

2. a christian majority being subjugated by a minority of a different faith

3. real or percieved injustices against the christian community happening all the time

4. no official army or no means of avenging said injustices with conventional armaments.



there have been millitant christians throughout history, think of the term "crusading zeal" the crusades against the moors, the millitant christians in liberia and uganda and nigeria.

its just that in those situations they have the means to kill the enemy without killing themselves.

palestinians don't always use suicide attacks, they launch rockets at settlements too, its just that a suicide attack is more effective, kills more of the enemy and has a greater psychological impact on the enemy morale.

also, its not only the muslim factions in palestine that use suicide attacks, the secular Fatah faction has used suicide attacks too, simply because its the best means of striking a far superior enemy.

bump bitch ^ answer my points, all religion does is seperate people and isolate them into groups, if a group feels threatened by another group it will react, regardless of what their exact creation myth is or whatever. simple darwinism, sacrifice a few individuals for the good of the community, it has been done by all kinds of societies or clans. its called life.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Suicide is frowned upon universally in Christianity... DUH!!!

Yeah, what he said, only less polite.

Ironically, inviting martyrdom, however, was encouraged.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Suicide is frowned upon universally in Christianity... DUH!!!

Probally the only intelligent post in this thread. It's the only unforgivable sin, suicide because your life is not your own but Gods. God will pwn you dont mess with him just be a good little christian, self sacrifice, say your prayers and he'll let you in his kingdom. Don't F*** WITH GOD

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

Christianity teaches respect for life... So there can be christian murderers, but no christian suicide bombers.

Islam teaches respect for life, too. What the fuck?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

And yes, it makes perfect sense for these guys to die in the name of Allah, when it is really all about gaining virgins for themselves.

They are DYING for themselves !

How can you not see that ?

Muslim suicide bombers do not kill themselves because they are infatuated with an orgy of virgins; this is a simple trick-phrase media vermin use to sell Islamic hatred to the lazy, gullible, Cheeto-eating thralls who aren't interested in learning things on their own. No Muslim has ever strapped a bomb to his chest out of an addiction for pussy.

Honestly; that's like saying that Christians only want to go to Heaven because the streets of Heaven are paved with gold, and gold brings a hefty price in pawn shops.

Virgins (houri in Arabic) are symbols of purity in Paradise. In fact, using the word "virgin" to describe the houri is inaccurate, since the relationship of the dead to the houri is not automatically sexual. This kind of symbolism is not unlike Heaven's streets of gold being symbols of regality and abundant prosperity.

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what he said. ^

also, viet-cong used suicide attacks against american troops, when they were invaded and under threat. if you are facing a superior enemy and a war of anihillaton then it is the obvious tactic.

its the same as a british soldier charging suicidally at a german machinegun nest, he does it out of solidarity for his fellow men, not because he is promised rewards in heaven (which every religious person doubts will happen in the back of their mind)

The answer is simple. They don't believe that dying in the name of god (martyrdom) will give them a short cut to heaven. The suicide bombers think that as as soon as they die they will get the 72 virgins.

quote:Originally posted by lordkiller:

It's the only unforgivable sin, suicide because your life is not your own but Gods.

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Read your bible.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Why would we (Christians) bomb people ?

Our Bible doesn't tell us to kill people that don't believe...our mission is to SAVE the lost, not shove them into Hell.

This is precisely why my skin crawls everytime some crazed atheist starts screaming about the violence religion spawns, and mentions Christianity as an example.

So...stupid.



Stupid eh?

list of violent christian acts

The spanish inquisition

The salem witch trials

The murder of matthew sheppard

Planned Parenthood Bombings

etc.

In the bible.

Exodus 22:20

"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Levictus 20:13



"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Numbers 15:32-36

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Still, I have no doubt that you do not approve of the killing of those with a different belief system.

I'd like to discuss things privately with you digital, I wonder if our ideals really differ that much.

I have an out of the way forum at s14.invisionfree.com/Scarface_clan



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quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

I can't think of any Christian suicide bombers off the top of my head, but terrorism is still rampant in Christianity. The Unibomber, for example, was a fanatic. Don't tell me the IRA is secular, either. That's just off the top of my head.

IRA ?

What the...they don't do what they do because of Christianity, they do what they do because of the ENGLISH.

And no...terrorism ISN'T rampant amongst Christians.

Where the hell are you getting this retarded information ?

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Isn't it Bush who goes to church regularly and believes the Bible is the word of God? Oh, whatta fucking coincidence, he's also the guy who is the Commander-in-Chief of the US troops who are MURDERING people across the Mideast. Here's a suggestion... why don't the lot of you self-proclaimed Christians get the fuck off your ass and start DOING what you like to preach. Fucking hypocrites.

You really are simple-minded. The irony exists in the fact that you think you're intellectual !

Bush claiming to be Christian, and attending church (Methodist, who support homosexuals, which is clearly against God's commandments, no less) doesn't make it so.

I believe he IS a Christian, in that he believes in God, and that Jesus died for his sins.

As with all things, however, that doesn't mean he will be a good one.

I don't think Christians should EVER be in political office, because what is best for the country is almost never in alignment with what is best for our souls.

The war in Iraq was necessary, and while Bush himself is not actually murdering people, he is sending other people to do it. We have to then examine what is killing and what is murdering, because the Bible tells us not to murder. Big difference.

It is a debate that is too long and ardous to have in this thread.

You cannot take Bush's actions and pin them on Christianity. You should be taking the Bible and comparing it to our actions.

quote:On topic: Muslims believe dying in battle for Allah's sake gives them greater rewards in the afterlife. Suicide bombing affords the fastest route to Paradise while insuring it does damage to the motherfuckers who drove you to such a point in the first place.

Yes, selfishness is a true sign of a believer in the omnipotent God of the universe !

Islam says: we die so that we might live better in the afterlife !

Christianity says: we die so that others might live better in the afterlife !

Which seems more indicative of an intelligent, benevolent being ?

quote:Originally posted by woodlander:

If you read the news, it looks like religion is one of the major reasons people kill one another. Christians are well-represented in this.

if you watch the news, CHRISTIANS AREN'T MURDERING OTHER PEOPLE FOR DISAGREEING WITH THEIR BELIEFS !!!

Of COURSE there will be exceptions to every rule, like those that bomb abortion clinics (which hasn't happened more than 10 times total), but you have to ask yourself, is that person truly acting in accordance with Christianity if they think that murdering people is the way to handle sin ?

The answer to that question is NO.

Christianity is a faith, not a religion, so you're are wrong on all accounts.

CATHOLICISM is a religion, and it has one of the highest death tolls of any religion.

Islam is definitely one of the leading contenders, as well.

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

I feel obligated to note that the fanatical Islam that spawns terrorism really isn't based on completely Quaranic Islam, either. But yes, you do have a point. The Unibomber didn't go out and say "God told me to blow up a skyscaper."

Actually, they are.

I have posted the scriptures of the Qur'an MANY times on here, so I doubt they have escaped your attention.

They consistently call the followers of Islam to murder those that do not agree with them.

quote:However, my point regarding Ireland still stands. That clusterfuck exists simply because people think they are doing God's will.

I am 100% Irish, and I have to tell you that the IRA is a militant group that seeks to destroy the presence of the English in Ireland.

THAT is their credo, and it always will be.

What does God have to do with that ?

quote:If one wants a more extreme example of Christian violence, look back towards the inquisition or the Crusades. These people also claimed to be doing God's will.

If I hear this crap one more time, I am going to SCREAM.

If PEOPLE are murdering other people in the name of God, they are not acting on God's behalf !

HE NEVER TOLD US TO MURDER PEOPLE IN HIS NAME.

Never.

If "Christians" murder, then they are acting on their OWN behalf, and they will answer to God for their transgressions.

The Inquisition was retarded, and based on nothing more than fear. There was nothing divinely inspired about it.

The Crusades were the Catholic Church's way of taking over the world, and hiding behind God's coattails to do it.

I can't believe you actually think that these people were representatives of Christianity. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:My point in mentioning these examples is to simply point out that Christianity is not perfect: it has spawned a great deal of violence, just like many other major religions.

Christianity IS perfect.

It is the men who practice it that aren't.

Again, Christianity isn't a religion, Catholicism is. Mormonism is. Scientology is.

Faith in God never killed anyone, as far as Christianity is concerned.

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quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

So, aside from sitting at your desk making money, for God I suppose, and urging on God's chosen people to kill more innocent Palestinian schoolchildren, what are you doing with your life to help people? Oh, I know, you're supporting the troops in Iraq, while you type up rants about the love Christians are sending around the world at gunpoint.

Aside from volunteering in my community to help the poor and disadvantaged ?

Aside from donating my money to organizations like World Vision that assist those that are starving and dying of diseases ?

Well, let's see...

In a few months we are quitting our jobs, and moving to Ecuador. To start a mission.

A school, and a church. Food, shelter, and love.

Is that sufficient ?

quote:They are dying for their God, the same way you proclaim that you'd die for your God. What makes them different? Their God commands them to die while fighting, while your God commands you to do what the Christians in China did, passively surrender, curl up and die.

There is nothing even remotely similar between Christians and Muslims. Nothing.

Passively dying is an honor.

One I will most likely face someday.

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quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:

you're a fucking idiot.

The pot calling the kettle black.

How cute.

quote:where in the christian world have these conditions existed?

1. availlabillity of explosives

All over the world. Homemade bombs are not difficult to make, ya know.

Being here on totse should have taught you that much. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:2. a christian majority being subjugated by a minority of a different faith

Right here in America.

They are called atheist's.

quote:3. real or percieved injustices against the christian community happening all the time

Read The Criminalization of Christianity, by Janet Folger.

Or check THIS (http://www.persecution.com/basic/prisonerList.cfm)out.

quote:4. no official army or no means of avenging said injustices with conventional armaments.

We aren't violent, so no matter what happens, an Army would be completely against our beliefs.

quote:there have been millitant christians throughout history, think of the term "crusading zeal" the crusades against the moors, the millitant christians in liberia and uganda and nigeria.

I'm not black...if I say I am black while I go around killing white people, will that make me any more black ?

You can tell a Christian by their "fruit". What comes from their lives is where their allegiances lie.

If a Christian kills, he is OBVIOUSLY not acting in accordance with God's will. He is acting in accordance with his own.

quote:palestinians don't always use suicide attacks, they launch rockets at settlements too, its just that a suicide attack is more effective, kills more of the enemy and has a greater psychological impact on the enemy morale.

You're justifying murder.

It's ok for Palestinians to murder...but not Christians ?

quote:also, its not only the muslim factions in palestine that use suicide attacks, the secular Fatah faction has used suicide attacks too, simply because its the best means of striking a far superior enemy.

Irrelevant to the topic.

quote:Originally posted by lordkiller:

Probally the only intelligent post in this thread. It's the only unforgivable sin, suicide because your life is not your own but Gods. God will pwn you dont mess with him just be a good little christian, self sacrifice, say your prayers and he'll let you in his kingdom. Don't F*** WITH GOD

You've never read the Bible, and it shows.

The only UNFORGIVABLE sin is rejection of God. Unbelievers go to hell, not people who commmit suicide.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Virgins (houri in Arabic) are symbols of purity in Paradise. In fact, using the word "virgin" to describe the houri is inaccurate, since the relationship of the dead to the houri is not automatically sexual. This kind of symbolism is not unlike Heaven's streets of gold being symbols of regality and abundant prosperity.

What is the point of enticing them with women, let alone virgins, if that is not the point ?

*lol*

Nice try.

Fuck are there a lot of idiots here.

Why would christians suicide bomb places? Muslim nations have suicide bombers because its a reliable way to cause large amounts of damage to a foe who is vastly technologically superior. You see it in the occupied terrories of Israel/Palestine, and in Iraq, and in Afghanistan. All being occupied.

How many Christian nations are currently being militarily occupied?

If you saw a strongly christian nation (of which there arn't many, Christianity is the most popular in the west, where fundamentalists generally do not hold positions of power) that was being occupied for signifigant periods of time by a vastly superior enemy, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you got christian suicide bombers.

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:



Stupid eh?

Yes.

quote:list of violent christian acts

The spanish inquisition

Not Christian.

Catholic.

quote:The salem witch trials

Not Christian.

Man.

quote:The murder of matthew sheppard

Matthew Shephard was robbed, and killed.

It had nothing to do with him being a homosexual, and the crime certainly wasn't committed by Christians. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Planned Parenthood Bombings

etc.

Would Christ do that ?

They weren't Christian. If they were (which is highly doubtful), they will be judged by God.

quote:In the bible.

Exodus 22:20

"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

From the Jewish Bible: "Anyone who sacrifices to any god other than Adonai alone is to be completely destroyed."

This was a jewish commandment, not a Christian commandment. The penalty for "Avodah Zarah" (foreign service or idolatry) was death. This was not a call to hunt down non-Jewish idolaters.

Suffice it to say that God sets the highest value on relationship with Himself and faithfulness to Him.

quote:Levictus 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

From the Jewish Bible: "If a man goes to bed with a man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they must be put to death; their blood is on them."

A majority of the Judaic laws revolved around protecting the Jews from disease and unecessary suffering.

Aside from this paltry explanation, this was a Judaic law, and has nothing to do with Christianity, or non-Jews, for that matter.

Paul condemns homosexuality in Corinthians, however he does not call people to murder homosexuals.

quote:Numbers 15:32-36

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

From the Jewish Bible: "While the people of Israel were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on Shabbat. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moshe, Aaron and the whole congregation. They kept him in custody, because it had not yet been decided what to do to him.

Then Adonai said to Moshe, "This man must be put to death; the entire community is to stone him to death outside the camp."

So the whole community brought him outside the camp, and threw stones at him until he died, as Adonai ordered Moshe."

Again, this was an event secluded within the Jewish community. This was not a scenario in which God asked His believers to MURDER an unbeliever.

This was about a believer that did not follow God's commandments, and the punishment he received from God, delivered by his fellow Jews.

quote:Still, I have no doubt that you do not approve of the killing of those with a different belief system.

I don't. And neither does any TRUE Christian, as we follow the tenets of Jesus Christ.

Neither does God.

quote:I'd like to discuss things privately with you digital, I wonder if our ideals really differ that much.

I have an out of the way forum at s14.invisionfree.com/Scarface_clan

Well, I can be reached in AIM with the user name desired hush.

I really can't dedicate myself to yet another forum, because I am already on 2 as it is, and they take up most of my time.

I'm sorry.

According to Digital_Savior's definition of "Christian" the idea that all Christian acts are good is unfalsible. You might as well stop trying. It's a lot like trying to prove that God did something bad. They automatically claim that either Satan did it, or that it's part of God's plan and you just don't understand. Unfalsible.

Edit: Well, I take that back. If you can find some part of the Bible that shows God commanding his followers to do bad stuff, then that can be debated. But in any other case they can simply make the claim that they were going against God's will.

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quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Edit: Well, I take that back. If you can find some part of the Bible that shows God commanding his followers to do bad stuff, then that can be debated. But in any other case they can simply make the claim that they were going against God's will.

That is precisely right.

Even if you don't agree, at least I got my point across sufficiently.

If you are going to blame these horrific acts on anyone, you blame it on the PEOPLE who commit them, not Christianity.

The difference with Islam is that the adherents are specifically commanded to HUNT DOWN ALL UNBELIEVERS.

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:



Stupid eh?

list of violent christian acts

The spanish inquisition

The salem witch trials

The murder of matthew sheppard

Planned Parenthood Bombings

etc.Irrelevent. Anything can be done in the name of anything. Kareoke in the name of Hinduism doesn't make Vishnu tone deaf.

quote:Exodus 22:20

"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Levictus 20:13



"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Numbers 15:32-36

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

You're quoting from the law of the Land of Israel. The law that binds the Jews. None of those commandments apply to non-Jews. All you have established is that the Religious Code of the Jews provides for capital punishment among them. The difference between Jews and Muslims is that we rely on our God to judge the nations with his own hands. We do not presume to make ourselves his weapon against them. We have been called to kill before, once to empty the lands of Caanan of the wretched folk who dwelt there so that we could claim our promised land, but never since have we been turned upon the other nations by our God. He has promised them retribution in his own time, by his own hand. The weakness of Mohammed is that he did not trust the hand of God. He saw his own hand better suited to the task of judgement and retribution. And so his Jihad rages on, and nothing is accomplished but the demise of his followers.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

We do not presume to make ourselves his weapon against them. We have been called to kill before, once to empty the lands of Caanan of the wretched folk who dwelt there so that we could claim our promised land, but never since have we been turned upon the other nations by our God.

"Wretched folk"? Do you even know who the Canaanites were?

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Islamic people are truly dedicated to their faith. They ray 5 times a day. They fly planes into buildings in the of god. I don't condone it but I don't see any christian pussies fly a plane into the Saudi leaders palace?

because any true christian would not kill another person or themselves(a murder you cannot live to atone for). however to the person who gave the commandment excuse, the phrase is thou shalt not kill, which is quite an odd thing for christians to uphold being that the crusades happened and that the majority of them eat meat.false christians do not believe that martyrdom will bring them salvation as they do not actually hold their faith to be true, they are utilitarians who see the presentation of faith as a means to an end,(personal wealth or power,etc.), and in that case they can kill more infidels and screw invariably more virgins in their sick "christian" life than in a Martyr's sick "muslim" life(in the preceding sentence quotation marks were used to denote perversion of faith. whew!

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

"Wretched folk"? Do you even know who the Canaanites were?

The Canaanites were the people who occupied the land before we did. They practised idol worship, homosexuality, incest, and child sacrifice to the god Molech. They were horrible people. It is written that their sins were so great that they had defiled the land itself. Did you even know who they were?

quote:Leviticus 18:1-30

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.

6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.

7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.

13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.

14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.

16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "



Canaan's Greatest Hits....no, I don't suppose wretched quite covers it. Horrid might be in order though...

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As I expected, you are clueless.

Canaan is the Hebrew's word for what we know today as Phoenecia. They were great sea traders, the inventors of the alphabet, and the founders of Carthage among other things. They were polytheists for sure, but they were not invasive murderers like the Jews you hold such an attachment to.

Muslims are encouraged to kill themselves for their faith.

Christians are encouraged to live for their faith.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Blanket statements proof does not make.

I AM 100% AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

I am also 100% Christian. Most of the Christians in my community are against the death penalty, too.

Reality check[mate].

If you are 100% against capital punishment, what about the verses in the Bible that say death is the consequence for certain actions?

Christians tend to be white? If you're white you have an advantage in this world.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

Christians tend to be white? If you're white you have an advantage in this world.

No. If you're smart. If you're able. Color has nothing to do with it.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

No. If you're smart. If you're able. Color has nothing to do with it.

Color has to do with everything from opportunities to who gets arrested.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Aside from volunteering in my community to help the poor and disadvantaged ?

Aside from donating my money to organizations like World Vision that assist those that are starving and dying of diseases ?

Well, let's see...

In a few months we are quitting our jobs, and moving to Ecuador. To start a mission.

A school, and a church. Food, shelter, and love.

Is that sufficient ?



Who cares, you're still an arse.

quote:

Aside from volunteering in my community to help the poor and disadvantaged ?

Aside from donating my money to organizations like World Vision that assist those that are starving and dying of diseases ?

Well, let's see...

In a few months we are quitting our jobs, and moving to Ecuador. To start a mission.

A school, and a church. Food, shelter, and love.

Is that sufficient ?



They don't need your church, and they don't need your school if it's a Bible school.

It's a good thing you're doing, but you'd be better off spending the money for a church on more food and shelter.

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it shows an extra faith, "turn the other cheek" "thou shalt not kill" "thee who hath not sinned shal cast the 1st stone" three good reasons why christians seek a better mayrterdom

quote:No, it actually shows a strong Faith. We don't have to prove our God, our God proves Himself. God will not be mocked. NO WHERE in God's Inspire Word does he command or even ask us to die for him. On the contrary He died for us. As they die for their god, Our God has died for us. What does that say?

Old testament?

"the last true christian died on the cross"

you all talk like christianity does not kill anybody. If you will remember the Pope signed a deal with hitler. The catholic Church backed Franco, Almost every south american dictator is catholic. And if you are truly a christian you will own no possesions as jesus was opposed to private ownership. if you are richer than your neighbor than you are not a christian as jesus says it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of the needle. so very few of you i figure give a shit about the teachings of jesus and only care about the parts where it justifies being a coward.

In answer to the first post:

They use fighter jets and tanks instead of suicide bombers.

islam is only like 700 years old christianity is like 2000 christians had there berserkers back when they were a young and undeveloped religion, islam is going through the same stages just now we have cars and trucks that are used instead of drunken psychotic men attacking with swords.. actually if the new reports are true and the tt's were demolished and the planes were remote controlled then theres more bloodshed by christians. dont forget the northern irish suicide bombers as well they're christian as well

quote:Originally posted by fuckwar89:

"the last true christian died on the cross"

you all talk like christianity does not kill anybody. If you will remember the Pope signed a deal with hitler. The catholic Church backed Franco, Almost every south american dictator is catholic. And if you are truly a christian you will own no possesions as jesus was opposed to private ownership. if you are richer than your neighbor than you are not a christian as jesus says it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of the needle. so very few of you i figure give a shit about the teachings of jesus and only care about the parts where it justifies being a coward.

Catholicism is a relgion, Christianity is a lifestyle, if that makes sense. I am not out to judge the Catholics, but the doctrine they believe and the doctrine I believe in are fundamentally different. I have a feeling that a lot of Catholics are going to be surprised when they die. They teach things that are fundamentally different that Jesus taught, and some hardcore catholics do not understand the faith at all.

Jesus said that, because back in those days the rich people looked down on the poor and acted like they were a lot better than them. The rich people showed off their money, and acted better than everybody else. Rich Christians today from what I have seen are very humble, loving people. They aren't quick to judge. My point is your wealth doesn't matter in God's eyes, its your faith. As Christians we believe our faith is what gets us into heaven, catholics still rely on ritual to get into heaven. The ritual they still practice is the reason Jesus died for us, it is a ritual that is unimportant and has no bearing on their spirituality.

Sorry for any grammatical errors.

I love it when christians set up missions and destroy indigenous cultures and beliefs.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I love it when christians set up missions and destroy indigenous cultures and beliefs.



Ah yes, the basic christian doctrine- "We are better then all the lesser souls who don't believe in christianity, so it is our job and mission to force our beliefs on the rest of the world because we know we are right because the bible is 100% true despite being disproved by modern science and even disproved by itself." Insecurity at its best.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I love it when christians set up missions and destroy indigenous cultures and beliefs.

the last thing they need is digital saviour turning up in the jungles of equador.."don't worry tribespeople! it's me! internet preaching bitchface!"

..."i've come to save you from your idylic culture" "let's talk about jesus christ, who like, died for our sins mmmkay?"

Isn't the millions of people killed by the inquisition and the crusades enough to prove that Christianity can kill?

I think that after going totally berserk during the Dark Ages, christianity somehow regained its senses and started feeling guilty about the mass murders.

Islam was born around 600 AC, we are now on the year 2000, which makes these guys live at 1400 AM (After Mohammed).

Our inquistition was about 1500AC, they are just early a hundred years and it will take them a long time to kill as many innocents as the inquisition did.



I am an atheist/agnostic when I'm in trouble, by the way

Stop Avoiding me!

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