well can we????

whats ur opinions, arguments and bliefs?????

we can, as long as we follow Bush!

no wait!.......oh damn!

[This message has been edited by Knight of blacknes (edited 01-30-2006).]

I think the government already does that to some degree.

How much they enforce it is up to debate.

Certain emotional feelings are the basis for morality. Shame and guilt are two such emotions that give a person a sense of doing something wrong, immoral. Then you have that warm fuzzy feeling for doing good stuff, whatever the hell it's supposed to be called. And pride, and disgust, and so on.

Yes, you don’t see every atheist lining up for a jail cell do you?

So are morals good because some alleged God arbitrarily dictates them, or does it dictate them because they are good?

If it is merely because it was commanded by god, then that god could outlaw heterosexuality and order everyone to murder at least 1 other person in their lifetime and it would be "good".

Or are certain morals considered good because there are reasons independent of god's arbitrary decisions.

If it is the latter, then I submit that those reasons would just as well exist if the alleged god that commands them did not exist.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

So are morals good because some alleged God arbitrarily dictates them, or does it dictate them because they are good?

Morals are good because some alleged God who knows everything about every aspect of humanity knows what is truly best for humanity, therefore He calls what is best for humanity 'good'. He judges what is best for humanity by what will promote the peace, health, happiness, and general welfare of every human, and humanity as a whole. Because humans themselves cannot know everything about humanity (or theirselves for that matter), they cannot know what is truly best (though they often think they do), thus they challenge the standard of 'good' the alleged God has set before them to follow.

... I know what's best for me.

I don't think morality has very much to do with god.

Cheers,

Lost

okok

what about the ten commandment sumthing that all westerners know, lets say for the sake of discussion that this biblical story, fable whatever u wanna call it never existed to mankind

do u still think that western society would consider things like theft, adultry, murder etc to be wrong ????

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html

there ya go.