Look, I'm afraid to believe in god. I don't know why. I'm affraid to be christian. I'm pretty much afraid of relegion in general. I want to Believe in God, because I want to, but i'm afraid I'll waste my time and God will never talk to me because I steal things. I know it's bad, but I'm afraid If I become christian I won't be able to enjoy these activities, and therefore not get as much fun out of life.

I'm willing to change my views here. Convert me. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Read the Bible, my brother - you will find all the answers to your questions in there.

Some things in the bible, like the rapture just seem impossible. Like if I read the bible I'm expected to believe each and every part of it, and there are some things I don't. So I can't become a good christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif) im so confused.

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

No one is not good enough, as long as there is a willingness to change.

How do I change though?! It's all so difficult

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

I'm willing to change my views here. Convert me. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Shit like this really bothers me. Why are you seeking to become religious? Are you under the impression that being religious is inherently better than being non-religious, hence a search for religion is inherently better than an objective search for truth?

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

Shit like this really bothers me. Why are you seeking to become religious? Are you under the impression that being religious is inherently better than being non-religious, hence a search for religion is inherently better than an objective search for truth?

I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic...

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

Read the Bible, my brother - you will find all the answers to your questions in there.

Cointhians is the shit

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

God will never talk to me

He wasn't gonna do that anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

Look, I'm afraid to believe in god. I don't know why. I'm affraid to be christian. I'm pretty much afraid of relegion in general. I want to Believe in God, because I want to, but i'm afraid I'll waste my time and God will never talk to me because I steal things. I know it's bad, but I'm afraid If I become christian I won't be able to enjoy these activities, and therefore not get as much fun out of life.

I'm willing to change my views here. Convert me. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)



Jesus called... He doesn't love you anymore.

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

Look, I'm afraid to believe in god. I don't know why. I'm affraid to be christian. I'm pretty much afraid of relegion in general. I want to Believe in God, because I want to, but i'm afraid I'll waste my time and God will never talk to me because I steal things. I know it's bad, but I'm afraid If I become christian I won't be able to enjoy these activities, and therefore not get as much fun out of life.

I'm willing to change my views here. Convert me. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

We understand your plight... But we aren't here to 'convert' you. We want you to see the light on your terms. Are you ready to read?



FORWARD:

The inexplicable revealed



It was February 28, 2002. That night marked the 2nd anniversary of my enlistment into the United States Navy. I was off duty that particular night and on a date with a fiery redhead that I had recently met. We had spent the evening getting to know each other better and having a great time. Nearing the latter portion of our date we found ourselves lakeside, engaged in conversation. The conversation seemed to flow effortlessly from one topic to the next, with little prompting. From this ebb and flow, the dialogue took an unexpected detour towards a topic, that in the most profound way, would forever change my life. Alexan began to speak about her faith and about Biblical principles and events that shaped and molded her character. Little did we know at the time that these topics would resurface countless times, proving to be the bedrock of our relationship. You see, a few months after the fact, I went ahead and married that girl. But on this night, not only was I attracted to her mental prowess as she spoke of these things, but I was captivated by the conviction behind her faith. She spoke with a certainty unrivaled. I hung on to every word as if it were nourishment to satiate my ravenous hunger for truth. In her witness she was being used as a vessel of glory. For the first time in my life I was honestly receptive to the notion of God. To fully understand the scope of impact that this had on me, perhaps a brief synopsis will offer a greater insight to the reader.

Growing up, I was a fairly, typical young man. I had parents and a sister that loved me. I was never without anything thing that sustains life or lacked ammenities that might have enhanced it. I had a mulititude of friends. I was athletic and healthy. I was musically inclined. For all intense and purposes, I had every conceivable reason to be successful in whatever desire I sought to endeavor. Despite all my worldly blessings and achievments, a life once seemingly clear, grew dismal.

“Always make a practice of provoking your own mind to think out what it accepts easily. Our position is not ours until we make it ours by suffering. The author who benefits you the most is not the one who told you something you didn’t know before, but the one who gives expression to the truth that has been dumbly struggling in you for utterance.” –Oswald Chambers

This quote, paraphrased from one of the great Christian apologists, has summed up the ‘expression to the truth that has been dumbly struggling in (me) for utterance.’ It seems that for as long as I can remember, I have toiled and agonized with the ‘void.’ The void: What is it? The void is that curious sense of lack; that nagging sense that something is missing. It is that place of emptiness inside the human heart. The void is that peculiar intuition that something is amiss and awry. The void is ever-present in all facets of human thought and emotion. I found this inequality to be true in my own experience, recognizing that it was separate from intellect; meaning, that I could not think my way out of it. The void spurns the logical and any attempt to rationalize it ends with desparaging results. The void is a quandry because it is so much more than just enigmatic. It is the missing piece of the puzzle. As more variables appeared, I was confronted with a maze of obstacles. The twists and turns sent me roundabout til I came full circle from where I began. I became the fabled dog who chases his own tail. What I thought was reality became illusory. What I thought was truth was a cruel quagmire that chastised me.

From this position it had caused me to consider the philosophical questions that enter our minds from time to time. I’ve always found it tremendously interesting to ponder the deeper aspects of such notions and to observe how others have formulated their own conclusions. Gaining perspectives on others allowed me to assimilate my views from theirs, through comparison and contrast. It inevitably led me even further into the uncomfortable journey of introspection. Unfortunately, I had no idea what it was that I was looking for and certainly did not know how to find it. The only thing certain for me was that intangible pang in my heart. It was haunting and nothing seemed to offer any solace. I searched through vain and temporal avenues seeking restitution, but reprieve from it constantly alluded me. There were no lines of demarcation, where a boundry began and where it would end. And so, I sought the council of those I deemed to be wise, hoping that they had some insight on life that I was not understanding. To my dismay, they were just as lost as I was, and perhaps, even moreso, because I at least could admit it to myself. These self-help gurus wore pride as a necklace and were blinded by their own convoluted sense of self-worth. At this, point in time, I had heard all the arguments to support this, or that, religion, or to meditate on this, or that, philosophy but it all left a bad taste in my mouth. All that I gave ear to began sounding like a broken record. Todays discourse was merely a carbon copy of yesterdays rant. The former was a slight gradation from the latter. It was the same mouthful of mouthwash swishing to the other side of the cheek. The understanding that I had hoped to find in them was either fleeting or elusive, altogether. Meanwhile, I suffered in quiet desperation as one day melted seemlessly into the next. I’m sure those closest to me sensed some level of despair in me, but I doubt they understood the breadth and depth of its extent. Life was grevious to me and what I thought was reality was now façade. Growing weary with cynicism, I eventually embraced agnosticism but not before weighing the juxtaposition of religiosity and philosophy; Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, Rationalism, and the like. Some of the ‘ism’ schism caught my eye but they were quickly put to death for a lack of, what, I do not know. I had been witnessed by virtually every Christian denomination imaginable. They were either weak in their faith and thus, could not present an argument that I could not dismantle in moments or I had put up walls in which to shut them out. And so, for years, I was at the crossroads of ambivalence, not knowing up from down.

Something new was in the air as Alex spoke; something new on the horizon had dawned. Ironically enough, I did not feel some resplendant bliss that one might associate with the prospect of someone coming to terms with a fixed belief. Nay, but rather, it was dread. It was insidious and I could feel it in the pit of my gut. An uneasy feeling came over and the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. ‘Something’ knew it had been discovered as I becoming increasingly aware of it’s presence and it’s aversion to having me hear what she had to say about God. In spite of this, it could not keep me away from Him. The bondages of oppression began to lift throughout the conversation.

A few weeks after that experience, I had opened myself more and more to the possibility of an omnipotent, omniscient, and omni-benevolent presence. I wasn’t entirely sold out on the notion just yet, but I was allowing the possibility to flourish instead of stiffling it as I had done for so many years. I began to listen to sermons on the radio and started to read the Bible with understanding. I was able to discern that which I could not recognize before. The Word became a catalyst to a consuming flame. I began to pray to God, that is He truly was there, that He would reveal Himself to me. And a few weeks after the walls were let down, it happened………...

I was on a routine patrol getting ready to secure a building on the base. For the life of me, I cannot recall what the sermon was about or what exactly it was that impacted me so greatly, nonetheless, in a moment of clarity, it came to me. Have you ever looked at something for so long that it becomes obscured to you? Have you ever looked at something for so long that you come to realize that it never truly made any sense to you to begin with? Suddenly and inexplicably it dawns on you what it is! I was sitting in the patrol unit with my jaw to the floor. Incredible emotion swept over me and through me like a shock wave. Emotion washed over me as I was enveloped by grace. I literally fell out of the vehicle, prostrate, in a semi-fetal position. Tears began to well up in my tired eyes. And there on the ground, in an ungaurded moment, I wept bitterly to my Lord. Amid the sobs were gutteral groans, interrupted by a feeble attempt to express the ineffable. I begged for intercession and pleaded forgiveness. In that once-in-a-lifetime moment, I understood that which had vexed me for so long. A deep joy resonated from my innermost being as it desperately sought to express itself. And because I asked, I received. That was the day that I met the Holy Spirit of Almighty God! After being so sick and tired, of being so sick and tired, I was saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

“Lord if you are willing, you can make me clean.’ Jesus replied, ‘I am willing. Be clean.” –Matthew 8:2-3

In this book I am going to emphatically support the reasons why I believe that, not only is there a God, but that ‘He loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son,’ for my sake and for yours. In so doing, I ask the reader to be patient with me in my attempt to appeal to the Jewishness of the scriptures. At times I am going to be using Greek, Latin, Aramaic and Hebrew translations to help capture the essence of the original manuscripts. For the sake of clarity and continuity, all foreign words will be followed by their respective English translation.

You may be wondering why I chose to write this; especially those of you who grew up with me who are a bit perplexed at my transformation. Let there be no ambiguity as to my reasons for writing this. I must confess that I have ulterior motives behind it. There are certain individuals that I know, whom shall remain anonymous, that the Lord has placed strongly on my heart. To put it simply, I feel that for all who do not know the Lord personally are quite familiar with the ‘void.’ Going through my own personal trials and battling my own demons, I am of the firmest belief that it is directly associated with a lack of the knowledge of God. In respects to this, nothing would give me a greater satisfaction than to see them come to the knowledge of God in grace and supplication. But, alas, I am met with trepidation and reservation. I am going to be speaking about principles that I do not always keep. In fact, I am a hypocrite, a liar, a glutton, a backbiter, an idolater, a backslider and everything unclean. I could give inenumerable instances where I err and fall short to the glory of God. I know, full well, that when left to my own devices, nothing good dwells in me. Afterall, I have the ability to either glorify His providence or to bring it into disrepute. Aside from the distinct fear of misrepresenting my God, I have, as well, an ‘accuser’ who constantly derides me and points out all of my failings. Though I lament over this, I cannot let it deter me from pressing on to the goal. My weakness is God’s strength. I must decrease but He must increase. And if bringing myself low exalts Him, ‘so let it be.’ (Amen).

“For the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that, I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I wish not to do, I agree with the Law, that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who does it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me, nothing good lives; for to will, is present in me, but how to perform what is good, I do not find. For the good that I want to do, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want to do, this I keep doing. For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of my sin which is in my members. O’ wretched man that I am! Who will save me from this body of death?” –Romans 7:14-24

Usually when people say something was missing in their heart and after they found God everything was perfect, it means that they either didn't get laind/have gf, didn't party, sat home and played tetris, never had interesting hobbies - basically lived a boring life. And after they picked up this imaginery friend everything became fine...

P.S. I really don't get how someone could kill their own child in Jesus asked them to... ROLLSEYES

Read a book called 5 Years to Life by sam huddleston

Just eliminate rationality from your life and you're halfway there.

If you are actually being serious, you may want to first go about logically seeking reasons why you shouldn't steal because it is bad for humanity and theoretically bad for yourself as well.

What kind of stuff do you steal?

I dont wanna sound like a pre-adolescent punk ass emo, but...

Christianity is, well, bullshit.

And so is all other religions.

Dumbfuck.

why dont you look into other religions other than Christianity? Like take Buddhism if you were Buddhist you would have no reason to steal because material posessions do not rule your life. Or look at Zaroastrianism. or how about taoism. If i were you i would look into more religions than just christianity. Try to learn about Taoism, or something else.

Yeaah!!! What about Hinduism? Suggest a religion, please

Scientology!!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Islam! Become a Muslim and riot whenever someone makes fun of your prophet!

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

Usually when people say something was missing in their heart and after they found God everything was perfect, it means that they either didn't get laind/have gf, didn't party, sat home and played tetris, never had interesting hobbies - basically lived a boring life. And after they picked up this imaginery friend everything became fine...

P.S. I really don't get how someone could kill their own child in Jesus asked them to... ROLLSEYES



Does all of this wonderful insight of yours come from a person who never got layed, played Tetris at home, and just lived an ordinarily boring life? I'm sorry that you equate a lack of virginity to some sort of maturity. This is a sure way that we know you're a virgin. And that's not bad to me, but apparently it means everything to you, which again, is the surest way to know that you're one. I can assure you that I was the polar opposite. I'm sorry that you can't relate and never were able to. Perhaps one day for you. It took me til I was almost 24 yrs old.... And you're, what, 14? Soon enough junior.

WOAH!!!!!!!

Heres an idea, make your own!

With your OWN idea, with your OWN beliefs, your own STANDARDS!

Its just crazy enough to work!

Dumbass.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:



Does all of this wonderful insight of yours come from a person who never got layed, played Tetris at home, and just lived an ordinarily boring life? I'm sorry that you equate a lack of virginity to some sort of maturity. This is a sure way that we know you're a virgin. And that's not bad to me, but apparently it means everything to you, which again, is the surest way to know that you're one. I can assure you that I was the polar opposite. I'm sorry that you can't relate and never were able to. Perhaps one day for you. It took me til I was almost 24 yrs old.... And you're, what, 14? Soon enough junior.



hah Big joker you are. And you met her when? When you were 20-21? Got married... and only then got laid? If so then my point is proven. And no... I'm not a virgin, just on a side note. So really any of the stuff you said means fuck all.

OP, if you really want to have a serious conversation with a Christian about salvation and the Bible, you can contact me:

AIM: desired hush

MSN: desired.hush@hotmail.com

I do this with about ten people in chat daily. I wouldn't mind having another person on board.

Look forward to seeing you. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Isn't it obvious to you people that steven is just baiting you and laughing to himself at how gullible you are?

Contact me if you want to have a good laugh about stupid conservatives. Occasionally we talk about this shit on the PLA voice bridge so let me know if you want the conference code. We might be prank calling Fred Phelps soon.

aim: adamroxors

email: harddrivecaddy@gmail.com

[This message has been edited by Atomical (edited 02-27-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

Look, I'm afraid to believe in god. I don't know why. I'm affraid to be christian. I'm pretty much afraid of relegion in general. I want to Believe in God, because I want to, but i'm afraid I'll waste my time and God will never talk to me because I steal things. I know it's bad, but I'm afraid If I become christian I won't be able to enjoy these activities, and therefore not get as much fun out of life.

I'm willing to change my views here. Convert me. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Look man god saved me when i was total satanist, forget your fears and just go on with it, what is fearbut a feeling, and god doesn't hurt you so whats to loose

quote:Originally posted by CETMEkixass_SEMPERFI:

Look man god saved me when i was total satanist, forget your fears and just go on with it, what is fearbut a feeling, and god doesn't hurt you so whats to loose

shows what kind of people christians really are.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:



Does all of this wonderful insight of yours come from a person who never got layed, played Tetris at home, and just lived an ordinarily boring life? I'm sorry that you equate a lack of virginity to some sort of maturity. This is a sure way that we know you're a virgin. And that's not bad to me, but apparently it means everything to you, which again, is the surest way to know that you're one. I can assure you that I was the polar opposite. I'm sorry that you can't relate and never were able to. Perhaps one day for you. It took me til I was almost 24 yrs old.... And you're, what, 14? Soon enough junior.

24?!?! were you a monk or something?

quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:

24?!?! were you a monk or something?

Nah, Christian would do it...

quote:Originally posted by CETMEkixass_SEMPERFI:

Look man god saved me when i was total satanist, forget your fears and just go on with it, what is fearbut a feeling, and god doesn't hurt you so whats to loose

How exactly did God save you?

you save yourself all religion does is give you a means to attain your goal. People might say that god saved them but when you look at it logically all the rules of religions just help you become a better person. And when you are a nice person you tend to be happier, as other people are nice back.

It's all in your head. There was this experiment done a while back, where 2 patients with 2 exactly same diseases were given 2 exactly same pills. One was told that there is pretty much no chance that the pill will work, the other one was told that pill will cure the illness completely and there is nothing to worry about. Well, person who was told that the pill will cure the sickness was fine after a few days, and the other person was sick for a very long time.

Moral of the story - think positive and you will have a happy, fulfilling life.

The end.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:



hah Big joker you are. And you met her when? When you were 20-21? Got married... and only then got laid? If so then my point is proven. And no... I'm not a virgin, just on a side note. So really any of the stuff you said means fuck all.

I was 24 years old and I was a pretty bad manwhore before meeting her, because I was pagan, like you... But if you don't believe me you could always ask her yourself. The reason I know you're a virgin:

1. That is a big deal to you for someone to be a virgin... Who cares if you are or not? Be happy about that. Endless sexual conquests is a detriment.

2. You seem infatuated with sex, which is a sure sign that someone isn't getting any.

If you don't like what I wrote that's fine. You certainly have that unalienable right. I'm just wondering what your compulsion is to invalidating MY experience. The thread starter asked for help, and so, I am providing it for him. No one is sure where you fit into the eqaution, other than to be hateful polemicist.

cum wit me im going to hell fuck being christian you all go to hell anyways lol

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

I was 24 years old and I was a pretty bad manwhore before meeting her, because I was pagan, like you... But if you don't believe me you could always ask her yourself. The reason I know you're a virgin:

1. That is a big deal to you for someone to be a virgin... Who cares if you are or not? Be happy about that. Endless sexual conquests is a detriment.

2. You seem infatuated with sex, which is a sure sign that someone isn't getting any.

If you don't like what I wrote that's fine. You certainly have that unalienable right. I'm just wondering what your compulsion is to invalidating MY experience. The thread starter asked for help, and so, I am providing it for him. No one is sure where you fit into the eqaution, other than to be hateful polemicist.





hahaha Drop it man, I'm not a virgin. Why would I lie on interweb anyways?

And I'm explaining why someone would turn to religion to the person who started this thread. So go fuck yourself ok?

The bible was the greatest fiction book ever written. For fucks sake it sold so many copies they just started giving it away.

quote:Originally posted by im_bigger_then_god_see:

cum wit me im going to hell fuck being christian you all go to hell anyways lol

ummm...where is "hell" and how would you ever "get there"?

if you believe in hell, you believe in god. just drop it, they both do not exist.

Avoid Christianity. It will eat your soul.

quote:Originally posted by Nergal:

Avoid Christianity. It will eat your soul.

What's a soul?

soul is what is now known as the "mind" or the "personallity"

quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:

soul is what is now known as the "mind" or the "personallity"

I thought that was the psyche.... Or is the psyche just a Greek word to describe the soul?

if you whant to become a christan then I would say READ THE BIBLE . I bealeave you should trust god in all things and you should ask jesus into your heart . dont be temted. you must not only read the bible but you must take action as a christan and try to do the right thing . dont steal . I am a christan and I try to follow the rules as best I can. and if you are a christan does not mean your life will be boring . your life will be much fuller.

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

if you whant to become a christan then I would say READ THE BIBLE . I bealeave you should trust god in all things and you should ask jesus into your heart . dont be temted. you must not only read the bible but you must take action as a christan and try to do the right thing . dont steal . I am a christan and I try to follow the rules as best I can. and if you are a christan does not mean your life will be boring . your life will be much fuller.



No it won't.

religion is a stereotype, stereotypes allow our government to control us. religion is bad. christianity is the worst.

Pretty much sums is all up.

they are wrong dont listen . what I said is the truth . and I hope the rest of you see the light .

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

Yeaah!!! What about Hinduism? Suggest a religion, please

You seem desperate for a religion, any religion. Religion is NOT what you need right now, when you're desperate and all. You need to pull your own self up and fix yourself, by yourself, and then after that, if it feels good to have a religion, any religion it doesn't really hurt. It's like alcohol. Alcohol is great. But once you start turning to alcohol when you feel down or depressed, that is when you fuck up, and alcohol becomes a crutch.

Alternatively, could I suggest a tweak in your morals. Since when is it bad to steal? Taking what is not yours so that you can be happy is perfectly morally justifiable. By my morals at least. Rewrite your morals.

quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:

I dont wanna sound like a pre-adolescent punk ass emo, but...

Christianity is, well, bullshit.

And so is all other religions.

Dumbfuck.

God you're such a pre-adolescent punk ass emo...

No but seriously, you are.

IMHO, God has little to do with religion. Religion is an institutionalized belief system. The "word of God" is not a bunch of words printed on paper, called the Bible. The air you breathe is the word of God, your body, the whole universe, is the word of God.

God, as I experience it, is not some seperate, distinct, self-removed entity to whom you can appease, anger, and in the end, gain reward or punishment from. The idea of God as some transcendent judge, sitting on a throne, looking down on creation like a big daddy in the sky is pathetic.

You want to find God? That's a very valid quest, very valid. But IMHO, ignore mainstream religion. God is the consciousness of unity, the core of existence, the True Self, beyond the false self (ego, personality). God is what you really are, what we all are, beneath the false sense of who we think we are. That is why so many people feel lost, empty. We fill ourselves with illusions and delusions of who we are and what we want, and when we feel that something is missing, we want something to satisfy that feeling, so we go for religion. But God is inside you, not up in the sky. God speaks to you from within the depths of your own heart, not from a little black book.

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

they are wrong dont listen . what I said is the truth . and I hope the rest of you see the light .



wow? Who are you to tell who is right and who is wrong? How do you know that your god is the right god? How do you know that your religion is the right religion?

Maybe god does want us to kill for him? How do you know?

I hope that one day you pull your head out of your ass and finally see the light.

quote:Originally posted by rashid:

IMHO, God has little to do with religion. Religion is an institutionalized belief system. The "word of God" is not a bunch of words printed on paper, called the Bible. The air you breathe is the word of God, your body, the whole universe, is the word of God.

God, as I experience it, is not some seperate, distinct, self-removed entity to whom you can appease, anger, and in the end, gain reward or punishment from. The idea of God as some transcendent judge, sitting on a throne, looking down on creation like a big daddy in the sky is pathetic.

You want to find God? That's a very valid quest, very valid. But IMHO, ignore mainstream religion. God is the consciousness of unity, the core of existence, the True Self, beyond the false self (ego, personality). God is what you really are, what we all are, beneath the false sense of who we think we are. That is why so many people feel lost, empty. We fill ourselves with illusions and delusions of who we are and what we want, and when we feel that something is missing, we want something to satisfy that feeling, so we go for religion. But God is inside you, not up in the sky. God speaks to you from within the depths of your own heart, not from a little black book.

I like what you are saying there chief!

god says that we will be procecuted. I think my god is the real god because I have faith wich apparently you dont.

you should read the bible .

I will not say who is wrong or who is wright. I said that "its steven"

should try it. I believe what I believe. its steven, asked for help so I tryed to give some. I am suposed to try spread the word of god right.

IM not mad at anyone http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

I will not say who is wrong or who is wright. I said that "its steven"

should try it. I believe what I believe. its steven, asked for help so I tryed to give some. I am suposed to try spread the word of god right.

IM not mad at anyone http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Your presentation sucks Barlow girl.

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

god says that we will be procecuted. I think my god is the real god because I have faith wich apparently you dont.

you should read the bible .



You should read the bible. I don't understand how people can read the bible and not see the sad truth about their Christian god. He is a tyrant. I'm not gonna say that religion in general is bad, because bible does tech a few moral values but unfortunately those are the same ones you should have on your own, without reading the bible.

I did not get the name SUPER CHICK from a band I just made it up .

quote:Originally posted by McLaren:

Just eliminate rationality from your life and you're halfway there.

I like that.

you like what?

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

Who are you to tell who is right and who is wrong?

Seeing as how you tell people they are wrong here all the time, I think you'd gain the most by asking yourself that question.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

P.S. I really don't get how someone could kill their own child in Jesus asked them to... ROLLSEYES

Jesus never asked anyone to kill their own child.

God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son, to test his obedience (it wasn't for God's benefit), and then provided a ram to take the place of his son.

Moral: Obey God, and He will provide everything you need.

Way to pay attention in Sunday school there, champ.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Seeing as how you tell people they are wrong here all the time, I think you'd gain the most by asking yourself that question.





Show me where I said that I was right and someone was wrong. If anything you, the christian you are, always thinks that you are right and everyone is wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Jesus never asked anyone to kill their own child.

God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son, to test his obedience (it wasn't for God's benefit), and then provided a ram to take the place of his son.

Moral: Obey God, and He will provide everything you need.

Way to pay attention in Sunday school there, champ.



So he did ask after all, didn't he? There have been many cases where people would do "god's will" by killing their own kids. You are saying that if your god would ask you to kill your own child you would diobey him?

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:



Show me where I said that I was right and someone was wrong. If anything you, the christian you are, always thinks that you are right and everyone is wrong.

How about every single post you've ever written in response to Super Chick, for starters ?

Don't be daft. *shakes head*

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:



So he did ask after all, didn't he? There have been many cases where people would do "god's will" by killing their own kids. You are saying that if your god would ask you to kill your own child you would diobey him?

God didn't ask. He commanded.

That was the only time God ever commanded anything like that. Everyone else that does it is insane.

God didn't command Abraham to do it because He wanted Abraham's son to die...maybe you if you'd pull your head out of your butt you could understand simple concepts like faithfulness and trust.

I didn't say what I would do in that situation, but I can assure you I do not have the same kind of conviction Abraham did.

Abraham experienced God like no modern human ever has, or ever will.

It was completely different, and therefore not worthy of comparing.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

God didn't ask. He commanded.

That was the only time God ever commanded anything like that. Everyone else that does it is insane.

God didn't command Abraham to do it because He wanted Abraham's son to die...maybe you if you'd pull your head out of your butt you could understand simple concepts like faithfulness and trust.

I didn't say what I would do in that situation, but I can assure you I do not have the same kind of conviction Abraham did.

Abraham experienced God like no modern human ever has, or ever will.

It was completely different, and therefore not worthy of comparing.



What a pity H- doesn't have the balls to show himself in the same way nowadays. I suppose 4000 years from now Christians will be telling tales of Joe Smith and how he experienced G-d in a manner never before known and never to be known by humankind again.

It's real easy to believe that Abraham DID have that kind of connection with G-d, now that he's not around to say anything about it. In the same way that Joe Smith will probably become a saint 4,000 years from now, and Christians will just KNOW that he experienced G-d in a manner never before known.

quote:Originally posted by Its steven:

God will never talk to me because I steal things. I want to become relegious, but I don't think I'm a good enough person to be a christian. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)



God already has talked to you through the Bible, and being a good person isn't a requirement to become a christian.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

How about every single post you've ever written in response to Super Chick, for starters ?

Don't be daft. *shakes head*



I have said that she is dumb only once.

I forgive you.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Military, off duty, fiery redhead, Alexan, romantic date.

I thought you two sounded alike. http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif)

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

they are wrong dont listen . what I said is the truth . and I hope the rest of you see the light .

For the love of god, the bible is a guideline on how to live your life just like any other religion. I'm buddhist and I like it much better the christianity. I was a chirstian for 8 years of my life when I look back at it I was disappionted at alot of stuff that I did. For example if you do something in chrsitanity that is "wrong" you don't get an explanation of why. It is because god wrote it write? That's not much proof to me. IF something is wrong you must give a good explanation besides "god said it." To some people hitler is a god, he said stuff that is just as plausable as the christian god. In the end what you do for yourself is the right thing, be it buddhist catholic, anglacin, toaism, Scientology (ha), satanism, wiccan, paganism, islam, muslim, jewish, pybesterian etc. No one is right in the sense of someone else. Only you can be right to you.