I pray sometimes. I don't know why. I don't really believe in anything but I guess I get sucked into that "what if" category.

Only thing I ask is where did the palms together thing come from? Palms together (http://www.sundayschoolresources.com/images/cpt4prayinghands.gif)

Is that the only why you can talk to "God"?

Sometimes I'm too lazy, even for God, to put my palms together.

Not all forms of Christianity or Judaism consider that the uniform for prayer. It's just a humbling movement.

Cheers,

Lost

If god really means what he says, then he should be able to hear you pray even if you are taking a piss...

There's no history of where this came from?

quote:Originally posted by OneMulatto:

There's no history of where this came from?

I'm sure there is some history to it. I'm not sure where it came from. As far as I can tell, it's just a way of rendering submission and respect. I don't fold my hands when I pray. That's an interesting question, nonetheless.

I think this comes from old monks who mediate and touched there thumbs or fingers only, or put one hand above another hand,it has to do with feeling and useing the magnetism in ur body to put u in a more relax state

It's from a medieval ceremony, though I forget which one exactly. I'll look around.

When some people plea for mercy they do that...not sure which came first though....good question!

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

I'll look around.

"

Of course, there are other gestures and postures of prayer, including pressing the open palms together. This seems to have originated in the court ceremonies of feudal Europe, probably mainly from Germany. It is a gesture of fealty or obedience, and is explicitly part of the ordination ceremony of a priest as a sign of obedience to the bishop. Most likely this same kind of expression is related to this posture of "folded hands.” There are only a few directions in the missal for praying in this particular posture, although in the ceremonial book for bishops, he is directed more specifically to keep his hands “joined” “when kneeling at prayer.” There are no directions for the people to join their hands. "

http://www.stjudeparish.com/growth/formation/teaching/TheMassPart-12-082805.pdf

quote:Originally posted by burymeag:

I think this comes from old monks who mediate and touched there thumbs or fingers only, or put one hand above another hand,it has to do with feeling and useing the magnetism in ur body to put u in a more relax state

So you have magnetic hands now?

Interesting, care to elaborate as to how exactly your hands generate a magnetic field, and how this would have a relaxing effect on you?

quote:Not all forms of Christianity or Judaism consider that the uniform for prayer. It's just a humbling movement.

Cheers,

Lost

Stop talking about judaism and christianity as though they are like the same religion, they are VERY different. Praying with the palms together is christian and has nothing to do with judaism like 90% of christianity has nothing to do with judaism.

Put and end to this psueod-intellectual judeo-christian bullshit.

You do realize that Christianity spawned from Judaism.

Jesus Christ was born in Isreal and was thus hebrew (Jew for those who don't know)

Also, he was King of the Jews.

Christianity came from Christs name.

Therefore, Christianity was named from a Jew.

quote:You do realize that Christianity spawned from Judaism.

Jesus Christ was born in Isreal and was thus hebrew (Jew for those who don't know)

Also, he was King of the Jews.

Christianity came from Christs name.

Therefore, Christianity was named from a Jew.

Judaism is a seperate religion all of its own, distinct from christianity. Christianity does not come from judaism,

rather judaism and christianity both in some ways derive from and older religious tradition. Judaism is based in the teachings of judaic rabbis during the babylonian captivity, and babylonian religion in general. Ever wandered why the six pointed babylonian star is the icon of judaism?



quote:Jesus Christ was born in Isreal and was thus hebrew (Jew for those who don't know)

Actually, jew=judaism,

hebrew=an ancient semitic people. In order to be born a jew, your mother needs to a judaist.

Jews descend from the khazars (ancient khazaks) of central asia. They were the ones who embraced judaism and converted on a mass scale (it became the religion of the kingdom and everyone had to convert).



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Actually, jew=judaism,

hebrew=an ancient semitic people. In order to be born a jew, your mother needs to a judaist.

Jews descend from the khazars (ancient khazaks) of central asia. They were the ones who embraced judaism and converted on a mass scale (it became the religion of the kingdom and everyone had to convert).

Judaism originates from Ethiopia, a prophet led them to a promise land in the north, upon finding Egypt they were enslaved. Because they had to written religious text and they weren't allowed to practice, they adopted The Book Of The Dead, and rewrote it to suit their beliefs. Later on, after the Exodus different variations were added on. One variation being Messianic Judaism, which is what Christians essentially are.

Edit: Also, I wasn't comparing Judaism and Christianity in my previous post. I simply listed them as religions who commonly use the prayer expression.

Cheers,

Lost

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quote:Judaism originates from Ethiopia, a prophet led them to a promise land in the north, upon finding Egypt they were enslaved. Because they had to written religious text and they weren't allowed to practice, they adopted The Book Of The Dead, and rewrote it to suit their beliefs. Later on, after the Exodus different variations were added on. One variation being Messianic Judaism, which is what Christians essentially are.

But haven't you wondered why the religion is reffered to as 'judaism'? It's obviously a reference to judah. Judah was taken captivity in babylon, where rabbis formed the teachings of the babylonian talmud, the authoritave book in judaism, because it is the traditions and teachings of rabbis on how to interpret the torah, and on other matters.

These rabbis were otherwise known as pharisees, and jesus specifically reffered to (condemned) their teachings, 'the traditions of the elders', 'the doctrines of men' 'contrary to the laws of moses'.

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism."

-Rabbi Stephen F. Wise

The torah was canonised by the pharisees. Upon return from the captivity 'hebrew' had undergone changes, such as being written into a different alphabet.

The judaic value and numbering system is babylonian, for example, bar mitvah. The icon of judaism is the six pointed babylonian star. The kaballah is perhaps the best showcase for babylonian origins of judaism. The old testament treats babylon as the home of paganism, occult, idol worship and debauchery.

Its pretty clear that christianity and judaism are two conflicting religions, ever since the beginning, heck, the founder of christianity (jesus) was in conflicting with judaism (pharisees, tradition of the elders). Don't these self professed 'judeo-christians' relaise that modern orthordox judaism is the teachings of the pharisees?

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The khazar king expressed interest in judaism and requested missionaries who visited the khazar kingdom. It became the state religion and all the khazars converted. I think their homeland equates roughly to modern khazakstan. They khazars expanded and conquered against europe and were dispersed into eastern europe. Ever wondered why alot of jews have long, curved noses? Armenians look like this too. Both armenia and khazakstan are in central asia. This phenotype is obviously quite common in central asia.

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quote:Originally posted by shuu:

But haven't you wondered why the religion is reffered to as 'judaism'? It's obviously a reference to judah. Judah was taken captivity in babylon, where rabbis formed the teachings of the babylonian talmud, the authoritave book in judaism, because it is the traditions and teachings of rabbis on how to interpret the torah, and on other matters.

These rabbis were otherwise known as pharisees, and jesus specifically reffered to (condemned) their teachings, 'the traditions of the elders', 'the doctrines of men' 'contrary to the laws of moses'.

"The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism."

-Rabbi Stephen F. Wise

The torah was canonised by the pharisees. Upon return from the captivity 'hebrew' had undergone changes, such as being written into a different alphabet.

The judaic value and numbering system is babylonian, for example, bar mitvah. The icon of judaism is the six pointed babylonian star. The kaballah is perhaps the best showcase for babylonian origins of judaism. The old testament treats babylon as the home of paganism, occult, idol worship and debauchery.

Its pretty clear that christianity and judaism are two conflicting religions, ever since the beginning, heck, the founder of christianity (jesus) was in conflicting with judaism (pharisees, tradition of the elders). Don't these self professed 'judeo-christians' relaise that modern orthordox judaism is the teachings of the pharisees?



That it was altered over time doesn't change the fact that it originates in Ethiopia, not Babylonia. And the beliefs of Jesus are not conflicting with Judaism. The only thing that conflicts is that Christians believe that Jesus was Jesus Christ (a messaih/reincarnation of god) whereas Jews believe that Jesus was just a prophet and that the messiah is still coming. And Messianic Jews actually believe in Jesus Christ.

So, yea, you're wrong. Christianity and Judaism are very similiar. Christians worship a jewish god, they adopted the Judaic belief of monotheistic god which was a very obscure concept at the time, they follow quite a bit of same exact doctrine, and believe most of the same prophecies.

Cheers,

Lost

I don't put my hands together. I lay my hands in my lap, folded. I don't always close my eyes when I pray, unless having my eyes open would hinder me from reaching the depths of prayer. Most of the time, My hands aren't even together. If it's INTERCESSION, I'll be beating floors and pointing and EVERYTHING. If half of you seen how WE PRAY, you would NEVER be the same.

Most people do what they do on account of RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS. Jesus didn't even close His eyes when he prayed to The Father. When He was praying before He was taking to be tried and crucified, He was SWEATING BLOOD, do you think He had His hands together?

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i dont put my hands together when i pray

i dont even close my eyes

quote:That it was altered over time doesn't change the fact that it originates in Ethiopia, not Babylonia. And the beliefs of Jesus are not conflicting with Judaism. The only thing that conflicts is that Christians believe that Jesus was Jesus Christ (a messaih/reincarnation of god) whereas Jews believe that Jesus was just a prophet and that the messiah is still coming. And Messianic Jews actually believe in Jesus Christ.

If I were a muslim I would call the abrahamic faith islam . . . muslims beleive that the religion god revealed to abraham and the old testament prophets was islam, jews beleive that it was judaism. But seeing as I'm not a muslim, I don't beleive the religion of the old testament was islam, and I don't beleive it was judaism either because I'm not a jew.

The religion of islam technically originates with the prophet muhammed but they beleive that the first person to practice their religion was adam.

Technically judaism is originates with the rabbinic teachings of the talmud but it is part of the judaic religion to beleive the first man to practice judaism was adam.

I place my hands in front of me, palms up, which is, coincidentally or no, the same position they're in when I pray ritually with a Siddur.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

I don't put my hands together. I lay my hands in my lap, folded. I don't always close my eyes when I pray, unless having my eyes open would hinder me from reaching the depths of prayer. Most of the time, My hands aren't even together. If it's INTERCESSION, I'll be beating floors and pointing and EVERYTHING. If half of you seen how WE PRAY, you would NEVER be the same.

Most people do what they do on account of RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS. Jesus didn't even close His eyes when he prayed to The Father. When He was praying before He was taking to be tried and crucified, He was SWEATING BLOOD, do you think He had His hands together?

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you crazy bastards.

so what do you actually get out of this craziness, apart from raised dopamine and endorphine levels due to mass hypnotic hysteria?