I went to church with my girlfriend this morning...

I have been dating her for a long time now and I'm not even going to go into what we have done etc.

anyway somedays shes a SUPER christian and otherdays she will sleep with me..



Now that we have started talking about marriage she is saying I am going to have to get stronger faith or she is really going to have to pray about it and "get an answer" from god whether or not to marry me.

Now in church they were talking about how bad the davinci code is and not to read the book or see the movie, that its a demonic etc...

I personally haven't read the book, (im not a "good" christain I am basically going through the motions because it doesn't interest me)

Anyway I am talking my girlfriend into reading the davinci code... ( I am going to start reading it tomorrow)



Will it shake her faith, or make her less of a christian etc.????

being an atheist i couldnt tell you for sure, but if your after diving knowledge then the davinci code is not the place to look. it is a pile of stinking dog shit.

good lcuk with your girl mate... perhaps if you point our her hipocricies you might shake some sence into her.

Whilst the theories and ideas in the Da Vinci code may not all be correct, it may help her to start looking at things from different angles and questioning things more.

Have her read the Godhead Trilogy. That's a mindfuck. Or even better, Cosmic Trigger.

If you really care about this girl, I'd ask her what she thinks her church is saying by being fearful of The DaVinci Code. There's no point in being faithful if you're afraid to test your faith against anything. Jesus himself taught that fear of that sort is stupid and pointless.

Any church that tells people to avoid reading a certain book isn't a church that has much confidence in its own faith.

quote:Originally posted by moby_dick:

Whilst the theories and ideas in the Da Vinci code may not all be correct, it may help her to start looking at things from different angles and questioning things more.

I am hoping...

I love her to death, but I mean I got the shit end of it, she will tell me this and that about her exs and it makes me sick that she doesn't put forth that amount of even half that amount in our relationship.

Also the church is HUGE on tything(sp) "you need to give money to get money" "the more money you give the more money you will get"

they brag about getting $30k+ every sunday, and give a "special" prayer to the people that are giving them money... I hate that church its so twisted...

anyway its called... church on the rock.

they're site is cotrlubbock.com

I am going to buy her the book as a gift and HOPEFULLY it will change the way she looks at things.. The whole god tells me what to do and when to do it is complete bullshit.

Thanks

How many threads are you going to create about your emotionally defunct self?

... That is fucking hilarious. As soon as I read the url for that church I fell on the floor laughing. I know exactly why that church is like that. THAT IS FUCKING LUBBOCK TEXAS.

Honestly dude, I know where you are coming from. I dated a girl who I would have done anything for. She was a hardcore christian, and her church told her to stop dating me, because I was making her question her faith by putting doubt in her sacred bible.

Now the trick is to put doubt without making her angry. I went to far a couple of times and ended up destroying my relationship, then 2 years later she came back and told me I was right and wanted me back. I said no.

Basically that church is so threatened by "The Da Vinci Code" that is has to talk bad about it in church. If the church is so right, why do they feel so threatened by a "fiction" book. Also, if you want her to reject her faith, do it with something that isn't fiction. The bible is fiction, and you can't get christians believe that, but if you could then you will win.

[This message has been edited by Apoxyus (edited 03-27-2006).]

I havn't read the book myself, but I have heard a great deal about it. The story line is that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and she had his baby and fled to France and started the royal bloodline. The book is based on Gnostic texts written by people almost 150 years after Jesus was alive, hardly a fist hand account. There are many places in the Bible that you can see they weren't married. The Gnostic Gospel of Philip provides the most evidence for them being married, it says: And the companion of the Saviour is Mary Magdalene. Christ loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, “Why do you love her more than all of us?” The text is actually incomplete, and some of the words, such as mouth, are guesswork. If they were married, then why would the disciples be offended at Jesus kissing her on the mouth? There are also places in the Bible that have a list of the disiples that were married, but Jesus is not mentioned. The Bible mentions many times Jesus' mother and father and brother, but never a wife. From the evidence that is presented we can conclude that Jesus was not married, did not have a baby, and his wife did not flee to France. The Da Vinci code is a fiction book and will not shake anyone's faith that is serious about it.

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

I havn't read the book myself, but I have heard a great deal about it. The story line is that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and she had his baby and fled to France and started the royal bloodline. The book is based on Gnostic texts written by people almost 150 years after Jesus was alive, hardly a fist hand account. There are many places in the Bible that you can see they weren't married. The Gnostic Gospel of Philip provides the most evidence for them being married, it says: And the companion of the Saviour is Mary Magdalene. Christ loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, “Why do you love her more than all of us?” The text is actually incomplete, and some of the words, such as mouth, are guesswork. If they were married, then why would the disciples be offended at Jesus kissing her on the mouth? There are also places in the Bible that have a list of the disiples that were married, but Jesus is not mentioned. The Bible mentions many times Jesus' mother and father and brother, but never a wife. From the evidence that is presented we can conclude that Jesus was not married, did not have a baby, and his wife did not flee to France. The Da Vinci code is a fiction book and will not shake anyone's faith that is serious about it.



No Shit- Scientific Evidence doesn't shake people's faith who are 'serious' about it (translation: mental weakness and dependence).

If your getting your 'Scientific Information' from a fictional book, im sure your not going to... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Apoxyus:

... That is fucking hilarious. As soon as I read the url for that church I fell on the floor laughing. I know exactly why that church is like that. THAT IS FUCKING LUBBOCK TEXAS.

Honestly dude, I know where you are coming from. I dated a girl who I would have done anything for. She was a hardcore christian, and her church told her to stop dating me, because I was making her question her faith by putting doubt in her sacred bible.

Now the trick is to put doubt without making her angry. I went to far a couple of times and ended up destroying my relationship, then 2 years later she came back and told me I was right and wanted me back. I said no.

Basically that church is so threatened by "The Da Vinci Code" that is has to talk bad about it in church. If the church is so right, why do they feel so threatened by a "fiction" book. Also, if you want her to reject her faith, do it with something that isn't fiction. The bible is fiction, and you can't get christians believe that, but if you could then you will win.





Have you been there?

I am stuck going because if I don't then its basically over between us and I have put alot of work in this and if it fucks up, I just wasted alot of my time...

Anyway I have the book laying on my coffee table, she told me she IS NOT going to read it...

FUCK! now what can I do, now under stand I'm not trying to make her less christian I am trying to make her understand if she wants to marry me... marry me... not ask god and wait for his aproval...

quote:Originally posted by camaro_racer88:

Anyway I have the book laying on my coffee table, she told me she IS NOT going to read it...

FUCK! now what can I do, now under stand I'm not trying to make her less christian I am trying to make her understand if she wants to marry me... marry me... not ask god and wait for his aproval...

Good luck.

My advice: if she's that much of an airhead, dump her.

The Da Vinci code book is fiction anyway, I dont see the problem reading it, sufficing its fiction and I hate fiction.

My mum is a hardcore Christian and she read it. Didnt fuck up her faith.

The ideas in it are just that, IDEAS. With no proof. Its interesting that it all fits together, and on the surface, provides an interesting second explanation of everything, but it does fall apart in place.

If anything, it'll open her eyes to another idea, that IMO doesnt diss christianity at all, and actually makes one hell of a lot of sense.

quote:Originally posted by camaro_racer88:

Anyway I have the book laying on my coffee table, she told me she IS NOT going to read it...

FUCK! now what can I do, now under stand I'm not trying to make her less christian I am trying to make her understand if she wants to marry me... marry me... not ask god and wait for his aproval...



Dude. This might sound harsh, but I suggest you start looking for a new girl. In the end you will be the one who is hurt the most. I am talking from experience here.

I did dump her before because she was to christian... She told me she has heard it before etc.. anyway after I did I went home and I couldn't live with myself, I can't see my self without her, we used to have sex quite a bit, but the guilt kept messing with her so we both stoped, she still teases the hell out of me, grabs at me, takes off my shirt, rubs my chest etc...



She was telling me this and that, and when we do get married it will be smooth sailing, so I have to "become" more christian...

She knows I don't read the bible, and that kind of pisses her off..

quote:Originally posted by camaro_racer88:

I did dump her before because she was to christian... She told me she has heard it before etc.. anyway after I did I went home and I couldn't live with myself, I can't see my self without her, we used to have sex quite a bit, but the guilt kept messing with her so we both stoped, she still teases the hell out of me, grabs at me, takes off my shirt, rubs my chest etc...



She was telling me this and that, and when we do get married it will be smooth sailing, so I have to "become" more christian...

She knows I don't read the bible, and that kind of pisses her off..



I was the same way. And believe me when I say there won't be any "smooth sailing" once you get married. Simple fact that she will want your kids to be like her and you won't.

My advice, LEAVE HER. I'm sorry any girl that wants to change you, doensn't love you. I used to live in Texas and I have a couple friends who go to college in Lubbock. They are warped by the church too, but they understand that they can't change people that don't want to be changed.

You can't change your GF, and if you let her change you then you might as well cut off your penis.

As a Christian and a former Agnostic, I see both perspectives. I'll try to give you both sides of the coin.

Her: She wants to give her life to Christ and her 'spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.' If she wants to serve her God, she needs to seek a Christian union, because it will just drag her down if she doesn't. She should not have slept with you prematurely, and no doubt, her sin is catching up with her. As far as the book is concerned, Dan Brown making millions off of this theory is pretty silly, being that, it is a very old theory. This guy didn't come up with it... Don't be fooled. He's actually being sued as we speak. I've never read the book, but I know a bit about the theory. Its pretty much baseless. Its interesting how much people don't believe the Bible and deem as not being supported by evidence. But it sure is interesting why people believe in this theory based on nothing at all. It comes down to a motivation of what they want to believe and not what the facts actually say. Now, if she does marry you, then its a union that she needs to stick with, unless you cheat on her or abandon her.

http://www.cameronlaw.com/bible/1corinthians/christian_sexuality.html

You: If you have no aspirations to marry a wife that is strong with the Lord, then don't. It will cause you heartache too. I know you guys have been together for awihle and you feel like your in love, but you really need to assess the long term reality. An atheist married to a Christian is boiling kettle. Either you will destroy her faith and she will be a pagan, or she will direct you to Christ, or the marriage will disolve because neither is willing to try the other's route. You should think about that very seriously before you jump out on emotion.

quote: You: If you have no aspirations to marry a wife that is strong with the Lord, then don't. It will cause you heartache too. I know you guys have been together for awihle and you feel like your in love, but you really need to assess the long term reality. An atheist married to a Christian is boiling kettle. Either you will destroy her faith and she will be a [bpagan[/b], or she will direct you to Christ, or the marriage will disolve because neither is willing to try the other's route. You should think about that very seriously before you jump out on emotion.



See you had me going, and I was aggreeing with you, until you had to say that a christian who gives up their faith is a Pagan. Please Learn all religions before you try and comment on them. IF she becomes a non-christian then she is an atheist or agnostic. IF she becomes a Pagan, THEN she is a pagan, not if she stops believeing in christianity.

quote:Originally posted by Apoxyus:



See you had me going, and I was aggreeing with you, until you had to say that a christian who gives up their faith is a Pagan. Please Learn all religions before you try and comment on them. IF she becomes a non-christian then she is an atheist or agnostic. IF she becomes a Pagan, THEN she is a pagan, not if she stops believeing in christianity.

Look, its only been recently that the word 'pagan' was deemed as some dirty, nasty epithet. Its not meant derisively, at least not by me. A pagan is someone who has rejected the notion of the Judeo-Christian God, YHWH. That's all I meant by it.

Anyway, now that i clarified my intentions, what do you think? I'm just trying to help them out in the long run. I'm not trying to throw a stick in their spokes, I'm just trying to be practical because I've seen this sort of thing come up before with alot of people.



[This message has been edited by hyroglyphx (edited 04-05-2006).]

I'm not trying to start flaming, I am simply saying that you are regurgitating talks of christians.

Pagans are an actual religion now. In the old days, pagans WERE considered "non-christians", that also included ANYONE that was not of the christian faith. Now adays we have a much better grasp of religion. I am simply trying to get everyone to realize that Pagan's are a religion, not just a label for anyone who doesn't believe in christ.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

As a Christian and a former Agnostic, I see both perspectives. I'll try to give you both sides of the coin.

Her: She wants to give her life to Christ and her 'spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.' If she wants to serve her God, she needs to seek a Christian union, because it will just drag her down if she doesn't. She should not have slept with you prematurely, and no doubt, her sin is catching up with her. As far as the book is concerned, Dan Brown making millions off of this theory is pretty silly, being that, it is a very old theory. This guy didn't come up with it... Don't be fooled. He's actually being sued as we speak. I've never read the book, but I know a bit about the theory. Its pretty much baseless. Its interesting how much people don't believe the Bible and deem as not being supported by evidence. But it sure is interesting why people believe in this theory based on nothing at all. It comes down to a motivation of what they want to believe and not what the facts actually say. Now, if she does marry you, then its a union that she needs to stick with, unless you cheat on her or abandon her.

http: //www.cameronlaw.com/bible/1corinthians/christian_sexuality.html (http: //www.came ronlaw.com /bible/1co rinthians/ christian_ sexuality. html)

You: If you have no aspirations to marry a wife that is strong with the Lord, then don't. It will cause you heartache too. I know you guys have been together for awihle and you feel like your in love, but you really need to assess the long term reality. An atheist married to a Christian is boiling kettle. Either you will destroy her faith and she will be a pagan, or she will direct you to Christ, or the marriage will disolve because neither is willing to try the other's route. You should think about that very seriously before you jump out on emotion.



Which brings up an interesting question: What else could be more important than having common beliefs especially if you are having children?

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

Which brings up an interesting question: What else could be more important than having common beliefs especially if you are having children?



Good point.

It is a good read. I want to see the movie when it comes out, to see how it is portrayed on screen.

Some of the thing said in the book appear to be factual, while other stuff seems to be speculation at best.

I would take it with a grain of salt, but at the same time, it might enlighten you to some truth.

The Church does not like it, because it shows some of their ugly past...something they are probably ashamed of.

The Catholic Church is a disaster and does not speak for God. It never ceases to amaze me how they can look in the gospels and look down on the Pharisees and Sadducees when so many of them are nothing more than modern day Chief Priests of the law.

They've turned God's intended close relationship with man into a drab, impersonal, and a virtually non-existant relationship.