I think I have discussed this before - not on this forum though. It occurred to me again today though while I was watching the special features on the "Ring 2" DVD. They had a feature about the fact that the set was haunted by occurences almost mirroring that of the storyline in the movie.

Something that occured to me, is that over the past 10 years or so, younger children have been watching horror movies (many of which seem to end up with problems because they get scared shitless tbh - but anyway) - but when you look at it, a young mind often has difficulty drawing a line between imagination/myth/fiction and reality. This will often go up to the ages of 13-14 and above when you think about it.

So if hundreds of minds truly began to believe, after watching the ring, that this was real, and feared it - for instance when static shows on a TV set etc. - the pooled energy could in effect begin to construct that entity through belief.

So in effect, the essence of the character Samara from the ring and the phenomena associated with her (for instance water flowing from walls, abnormalities with the operations of television sets, auditory and visual abnormalities/hallucinations) is created in a sense.

Just thoughts.

congrats, its called a thoughform.

It's very obvious entities can be created through belief- Ever heard of chrisitanity? Or I'm sorry to all you christians out there, you have the true religion right, I meant look at Muslims and Allah. Because you don't worship Allah means he's not real, and therefore an entity created by belief, yet yours isn't, despite the self-contradicting holy book and scientifically disproven holy book. Right.

If one truly believes something then for that person it is truth, their minds will subconsciously alter how they percieve reality so that their belief would be real. For example, if one strongly believes their heart is stopping and they are going to die, they will have an anxiety attack and may posisbly die from that.

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congrats, its called a thoughform.

Actually its a thoughtform or in the case of religion and the creation of a god, a god-form. I didnt think many others would be familiar with the term in here so I did not use it.

Thought forms can be created in many ways - often accidentally by a single person. If the subconscious is trained to believe it is there, then it can appear. Depending on the volume (or so to speak) of the belief.

quote:It's very obvious entities can be created through belief- Ever heard of chrisitanity? Or I'm sorry to all you christians out there, you have the true religion right, I meant look at Muslims and Allah. Because you don't worship Allah means he's not real, and therefore an entity created by belief, yet yours isn't, despite the self-contradicting holy book and scientifically disproven holy book. Right.



Something I thought of last night - and this is only a thought so please to any christians or muslims reading this - do not become offended.

In christianity the god is depicted in many ways - through many different media. So theoretically speaking, the belief in this god would not be concentrated on one thing - therefore creating several or many of the same concept - but with islam, the god is not depicted in any way. Just a blank image.

So effectively if all muslims believe in just an energy being without an image to concentrate - it would create one god instead of many right?

So effectively the islamic belief could create a more powerful god-form?

EDIT: Further reading can be found here (you may have to search through the site and filter through the bullshit first though): http://www.spiralnature.com/

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I believe the proper term is a "tulpa." Search that term if you wish to learn more about the whole phenomenon.

Some believe that the Yeti in Tibet is a tulpa.

Actually - the definition of a Tulpa would be a being created through willpower alone.

Which means in a way it is completely different to a "God-Form" or a "Thought Form"

A thought form created on purpose could be termed as a Tulpa, but on the other hand, when you think about an accidental Thought-Form or a God-Form - the concept is different.

An Accidentally created thought form would not be under any control of its creator, and would also not be created through the willpower of the creator - whereas often magick/magic practitioners will create a thoughtform under their own control to perform tasks, set missions or so to speak, or to be under their control.

A God-Form would be created by mass belief - a massive energy form created unintentionally by hundreds/thousands/millions of beings - but very few, if any of them would be intentionally creating a form - especially when you think that most humans believe that their god created them or the world.

Interesting stuff... This is similar to the Biblical principle of faith. That all things can be accomplished merely by believing. I wanted to throw a thought out there: If we are created in the image of God and we have this strange power for our imaginations and beliefs to manifest in our reality, wouldn't it be so that God would have the same power and that we are nothing but a thoughtform which he projected into his reality. If we then reflect the same thoughtform back toward him (to love him as he first loved us) wouldn't that create an infinte transfer of positive enrgy or "heaven" so to speak. And If God making us in his image also gave us free will to resist him and to absorb that thought which he projected without reciprocating it wouldn't we be cast out of that infinite energy transfer and become isolated balls of self contained energy floating through the vaccum (hell). Just an interesting thought about the existence of heaven and hell. I'm not familiar with the specifics of thoughtform theory so pardon my ignorance... but it seems to me like this theory if expanded could be used to prove some biblical truths.

Also quick note: The God of the Bible strictly commands us to make no image of him or try to confine him to our limited understanding... The many images of the christian God are a perversion and do not reflect the true nature of the one and only I AM.

Nice post Joshua. Very well thought out and very enlightened of you to view it objectively as such.

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Interesting stuff... This is similar to the Biblical principle of faith. That all things can be accomplished merely by believing. I wanted to throw a thought out there: If we are created in the image of God and we have this strange power for our imaginations and beliefs to manifest in our reality, wouldn't it be so that God would have the same power and that we are nothing but a thoughtform which he projected into his reality. If we then reflect the same thoughtform back toward him (to love him as he first loved us) wouldn't that create an infinte transfer of positive enrgy or "heaven" so to speak. And If God making us in his image also gave us free will to resist him and to absorb that thought which he projected without reciprocating it wouldn't we be cast out of that infinite energy transfer and become isolated balls of self contained energy floating through the vaccum (hell). Just an interesting thought about the existence of heaven and hell. I'm not familiar with the specifics of thoughtform theory so pardon my ignorance... but it seems to me like this theory if expanded could be used to prove some biblical truths.

Also quick note: The God of the Bible strictly commands us to make no image of him or try to confine him to our limited understanding... The many images of the christian God are a perversion and do not reflect the true nature of the one and only I AM.

But, When you look at it realistically, there can be no "higher god" or "one god". This is purely because the Idea you have reflected above would also have to apply to almost every other religion on the planet.

The main hole with believing in a "one true god" etc. is that the way we stand, there are many of them now! I mean - I am guessing you are christian by your post - so there is no point in asking you to look at it from another point of view - I wouldnt be able to, but, would you be willing to go and argue it out with for example a muslim about whose god is the true one?

That is how so many wars have started!

When you look at it - you are still on the original subject of "God created us". Try looking at it from the opposite point of view. If your belief system is strong enough - why not prove it to yourself. Look at it from both points of view, disassemble everything you know, question it - and fair enough, if it turns out to seem as true as possible then dont question it again.

If you look at it, in truth, it is a case of Man over God, not God over Man. I sin, in the eyes of Christian and Islamic churches...not to mention the rest...more than frequently. And because I know consciously and subconsciously that no god has any hold over me; I am a healthy, lucky male with decent friends and a happy existence. Never been struck down by plague, rarely ill... Do the math, I should be dead by now, or being punished in some way!