I know there are few muslims here (very few) or at least some people who'd know a bit about Islam.

I just want to ask... is it really true? Is the heart of Islam violence and intolerance and being pertually pissed off?

I want to believe there is some good and that Islam is a benevolent religion that has gotten as far it has by helping people. But I've seen too much shit to the contrary. Just about every country from Jordan to Indonesia is... well... fucked. The turnout of terrorists and violent protestors overreacting to the Allah cartoons...

I am not a Muslim, but Mohammed did not convert his enemies by asking them nicely. There is a history of conversion by the sword.

That said, one must be certain to make a clear distinction between fundamentalist Islam and modern, "western" Islam. The two are very different. I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves.

I would MUCH rather live in a Muslim neighborhood than a Mexican neighborhood. It's when you start getting the Wahhabi fuckheads who want to convert the world that you start having trouble.

Exactly. I realize that fundamentalism make up a small part of it and that it's only been spreading recently because of rich Wahabbis funding impovrished areas to pump out pissed off zombies. But I still don't know exactly what's at it's core that was started by this war lord type dude.

But also one thing I want to observe... I've never seen any muslim charities that help non-muslims. I've seen lots of Christian and Jewish organizations.

quote:Originally posted by Ocular Gyric Crisis:

But I still don't know exactly what's at it's core that was started by this war lord type dude.

Well, really, the Wahhabis are the ones who ARE the true Muslims. Mohammed WAS a warlord, he was not this peaceful martyr like Jesus was. The goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary.

Since that's not what I want, though, I celebrate the "bad" Muslims who keep to themselves.

When you look at it - the western world is shouted at for "Religious Intolerance" or *laughs* "Islamophobia" - but when you look at it, the root of violent mainstream intolerance lies with the fundamentalists who fester in the middle-east.

When you look at it - Christianity was at one time no better, but this doesnt mean to say that it was right. We live in a different world now, "conversion by the sword" is no longer acceptable.

I think that this is gradually proving that in some cases - not all - a multi-religious, multi-race country or world cannot exist peacefully. Especially when fundamentalists on both sides are totally convinced that their way is right and that their god/belief system/way of life is the most supreme or "True" way.

Well, to be fair, Muslims have historically offered the option to convert or be sacked. Christians did something similar with barbarians, though most often they killed them. Both religions have extremely volatile and bloody pasts. Muslim countries pre-Israel have been much more tolerant of Jews and Christians than Christians have for.. anyone.

Anyway, the religion preaches both peace and violence, but so does Christianity. They're very similar.

I've never been to Arabia or anything, so I don't know how fundamentalist muslims act, but I do know western muslims who are much the same as everyone else.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I am not a Muslim, but Mohammed did not convert his enemies by asking them nicely. There is a history of conversion by the sword.

That said, one must be certain to make a clear distinction between fundamentalist Islam and modern, "western" Islam. The two are very different. I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves.

I would MUCH rather live in a Muslim neighborhood than a Mexican neighborhood. It's when you start getting the Wahhabi fuckheads who want to convert the world that you start having trouble.

you ignorant little twit i am a muslum and i know that it is against the quran (muslum equivelant to bible) to not force another religion to convert unlike the christians with the crusades.

It's not exactly forcing.....but they don't really have a positive future if they refuse. Their army is torn to shreds, they are occupied and taxed. At least they get to keep some of their laws and are allowed to worship their own gods, etc. As long as they pay tax, they are under protection of the Islamic State.

^ Interesting. Are you speaking of the conquests of Muhammad while he was alive, or the conquests of the Caliphs and the expansion across Africa and into Europe after his death?

It would seem to me that Muhammad was not so forgiving, Qurayza being a prime example.

Hi there,

well I`m a muslim...my name is abdul muaiz.

First of all, I appreciate your post.

Allah said, those who look for hidayah Allah will grant him hidayah.

Hidayah is something that pushes you to do good deeds.Without hidayah, you can`t even say the word "ALLAH".

Yeah it`s hard to see the Islam in muslims because Islam is only in books nowdays you know what I`m sayin?

Okay...I`ll explain but you gotta excuse my english.I`m a Malaysian btw..

The work telling god to human is called dakwah. This work has been the sole purposed Allah sent 124 thousand prophets to this earth= to correct the beliefs of man, dat only Allah gives benefits and harm.

Other than Allah, cannot gives harm and benefits without Allah`s permission.

Allah creates everything and does not need allies. He does not depend on his creation.

In paying intention to the worms below the earth, Allah is not unintentive of the birds in the sky and the fishes in the sea.

If man wants to create or repair something he must have a veryu clear lighting and wide space. AlLah creates man in a very dark and cramped space: our mothers womb.

So this work which we call Dakwah, the muslim have abandon it.

Is telling people about Allah really important?

Yeah, for example we look at the story of moses and his people, when be chased by the army of pharoah and the dead sea is infront of them, people of moses panic and claim " oh moses we`re dead, the sea is infron and the armies of pharoah is behind us!"

This people of moses is the kind of people who when they chant, the roots of trees climbed their bodies. The have seen the help of Allah with their own eyes : when they were hunggry in the dessert, Allah sent them food from heaven.

but this people, does not make dakwah. So even with seing the help of Allah with their own eyes their beliefs to Allah still doubful.

But moses replied " No!!Not at all, Allah is with me!!!!" Because he is the one who talks about the grteatness of Allah everyday, so the greatness of Allah enters his heart.

Allah then ordered moses to knoch his cane to the sea. Now, our inteligence might have argued, why don`t we knock the cane on pharoahs head of his army?

But Allah Do as he pleased.

So the sea devided into 12 paths.You know the story.

So this work of dakwah, we muslims have left. It is somewhere in the 30s the dakwah revive and expanded in India. Now we`re catcin up...

So to know about Islam, you got to go make dakwah buddy, where do you live? Maybe you can go out with us for three days for starter. Then you`ll learn about sunnah ( way of the prophet )and other cool stuff dat can`t be described by words.

my email+ srilanka123@hotmail.com.

yo rabby, i think you miss understood.

email me and I`ll tell you the code of muslims in war. A really cool stuff.

okay rabby diz is the code of war for muslims.

YOU Cannot attack unless the enemy attack first.

You cannot enter a civilian house.

You cannot burn their temples.

No killing women,children and the old folks aight!

If an enemy sees you and sheath in his sword, the you may not kill him.

No torturing the POWs dude , there are stories that when the mujahidin captured the enemies they gave the posw better food and the mujahidin only eat nuts.

The muslim were so kind to the civilians of the cities they captured, to the extend that the people became as an early warning, they tell the mujahidin if the enemy are planning to raid in the city.

The mujahidin are not like early forces who captured the cities like they were robbing and rapping and stuff...

dude I gotta go, you got my email..

You ask this question as if you've forgotten the dark past of Christianity, not to mention the horrific things God himself does to humans in the old testament...

If the only Muslims you know are people like Usama Bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Kansi, Al-Nasser... Then the problem isn't Islam, the problem is your ability to evaluate bias in the media that reaches you...

But this is a two way street... We see car bombings carried out by Muslims and think Islam is about violence... Muslims learned about Christianity during the crusades and the Spanish inquisition and think Christianity is about torture and rape... And invading other peoples countries...

I saw one person on TV who happens to be Muslim and hates Jews.. He has a following of less than 10 people and holds meetings in his apartment... He was on the news as if he's a spokes-person for Islam... It's like getting the KKK to host a forum on Good Christian Values... We don't we celebrate John Gotti for been an exceptional Catholic... Would you like it if people learnt about Christianity from Charles Manson?

I'd keep going, but I feel nobody's reading this far...

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Comparing the New Testament to the Koran is like comparing The Sound of Music to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. To say Islam is a religion of peace is to ignore most of the Koran (not just a few passages here and there), not to mention the general flavor and message of the book.

One of many good sites which reveal Islam for what it is: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Islam is a religion where the end justifies the means. The end is world domination, and the means are practically any. It is a scary religion. Any who claim different are not taking to heart much of what the Koran and Muhammed actually say.

The bottom line is that "moderate Islam" is not Islam, and what is defined in the Western world as "radical Islam" seems to be more true to the book and the prophet.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Well, really, the Wahhabis are the ones who ARE the true Muslims. Mohammed WAS a warlord, he was not this peaceful martyr like Jesus was. The goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary.

Since that's not what I want, though, I celebrate the "bad" Muslims who keep to themselves.

I agree.

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quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves.

I saw this and laughed. Clearly you have a misconception about Americans, westernization, and the ideals of Muslims.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Well, really, the Wahhabis are the ones who ARE the true Muslims. Mohammed WAS a warlord, he was not this peaceful martyr like Jesus was. The goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary.

Since that's not what I want, though, I celebrate the "bad" Muslims who keep to themselves.



Quote the Qur'an where it says "the goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary."

"[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers."

http://tinyurl.com/haelm

Considering Mohammed himself both enlightened and killed in order to convert, I ask you what other means are left that he did not consider.

Well, I guess you could pay people to become Muslims...



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quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

"[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers."

http://tinyurl.com/haelm

Considering Mohammed himself both enlightened and killed in order to convert, I ask you what other means are left that he did not consider.

Well, I guess you could pay people to become Muslims...



"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."



Oh. I suppose you didn't read THAT part.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I am not a Muslim, but Mohammed did not convert his enemies by asking them nicely. There is a history of conversion by the sword.



Saying it fifty times over doesn't make it true.

quote:That said, one must be certain to make a clear distinction between fundamentalist Islam and modern, "western" Islam. The two are very different. I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves. Wahhabism is a deviation from the fundamentals of Islam. Calling a wahhabist a fundamentalist is a misnomer, they might say they want to return to the fundamentals, but there ideals of the fundamentals are created out of air. Most of what you call fundamentalism is of your own doing, you put negative energy out into the world, so it came back to fuck you in the ass. I don't know just what the fuck you would classify me as, but people like me have always been around in Islam.

quote:Well, really, the Wahhabis are the ones who ARE the true Muslims. Mohammed WAS a warlord, he was not this peaceful martyr like Jesus was. The goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary.

Since that's not what I want, though, I celebrate the "bad" Muslims who keep to themselves. You seem pretty brainwashed in this respect. Prove Mohammad was a warlord. Mohammad fought for the poor and dispalced of Mecca, show me evidence otherwise.

quote:When you look at it - the western world is shouted at for "Religious Intolerance" or *laughs* "Islamophobia" - but when you look at it, the root of violent mainstream intolerance lies with the fundamentalists who fester in the middle-east.

When you look at it - Christianity was at one time no better, but this doesnt mean to say that it was right. We live in a different world now, "conversion by the sword" is no longer acceptable.

I think that this is gradually proving that in some cases - not all - a multi-religious, multi-race country or world cannot exist peacefully. Especially when fundamentalists on both sides are totally convinced that their way is right and that their god/belief system/way of life is the most supreme or "True" way.

You turn a blind eye to Christian extremists, or even funnier, you say they aren't Christian because God forbid that would make you human. I was born and raised in Kosovo, you telling me that Christian extremists don't exist just makes me laugh. What did the Cetniks do after 'cleansing' women and children? They raised three fingers in the air for the supremacy of the trinity. Fuck you.

quote:Well, to be fair, Muslims have historically offered the option to convert or be sacked. Christians did something similar with barbarians, though most often they killed them. Both religions have extremely volatile and bloody pasts. Muslim countries pre-Israel have been much more tolerant of Jews and Christians than Christians have for.. anyone. coughsaladincough.

quote:You ask this question as if you've forgotten the dark past of Christianity, not to mention the horrific things God himself does to humans in the old testament...

If the only Muslims you know are people like Usama Bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Kansi, Al-Nasser... Then the problem isn't Islam, the problem is your ability to evaluate bias in the media that reaches you...

But this is a two way street... We see car bombings carried out by Muslims and think Islam is about violence... Muslims learned about Christianity during the crusades and the Spanish inquisition and think Christianity is about torture and rape... And invading other peoples countries...

I saw one person on TV who happens to be Muslim and hates Jews.. He has a following of less than 10 people and holds meetings in his apartment... He was on the news as if he's a spokes-person for Islam... It's like getting the KKK to host a forum on Good Christian Values... We don't we celebrate John Gotti for been an exceptional Catholic... Would you like it if people learnt about Christianity from Charles Manson?

I'd keep going, but I feel nobody's reading this far... Word.

quote:Comparing the New Testament to the Koran is like comparing The Sound of Music to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. To say Islam is a religion of peace is to ignore most of the Koran (not just a few passages here and there), not to mention the general flavor and message of the book.

One of many good sites which reveal Islam for what it is: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Islam is a religion where the end justifies the means. The end is world domination, and the means are practically any. It is a scary religion. Any who claim different are not taking to heart much of what the Koran and Muhammed actually say.

The bottom line is that "moderate Islam" is not Islam, and what is defined in the Western world as "radical Islam" seems to be more true to the book and the prophet.

Islam is a religion of peace, peace with Allah. You force me out of my home, you rape my Mother, you kill my father, I'm not going to take it like a little bitch. And neithor did Mohammad. Your little 'prophet of doom' website has been proven to make up Quranic verses.

quote:"[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers." http://tinyurl.com/haelm

Considering Mohammed himself both enlightened and killed in order to convert, I ask you what other means are left that he did not consider.

Well, I guess you could pay people to become Muslims...

You and your kind like to cut and paste. You conveniantly leave out alot, eh? If I didn't have better things to do, I could go through the bible cutting and pasting too.

quote:"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."



Oh. I suppose you didn't read THAT part.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"

ShqipTAR, you kick ass. That's all I have to say about that.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

saladin

I know about Saladin, and I think anyone who studies history should.. That said I do think he was a great man, there were just others who made Muslims look bad in the past. Just like Christianity, it only takes one bad apple.

quote:Originally posted by Skankinsasquatch:

ShqipTAR, you kick ass. That's all I have to say about that.

Lol, thanks.

quote:I know about Saladin, and I think anyone who studies history should.. That said I do think he was a great man, there were just others who made Muslims look bad in the past. Just like Christianity, it only takes one bad apple. Word. My family has a long history of being Janissaries, my ancestors were force converted by the Turks. Doesn't change how I see the truths of Islam. Ask any Indian if his ancestors chose to be Christian.

ShqipTAR, have you heard the debate between the author of Prophet of Doom, and the Author of Prophet of Mercy.



Craig Winn sounds like such an idiot on there.

Im so sick of Islam bashing threads. I am friends with several palestinians. Ive been to Mosque. Islam is not a violent religion. Keep in mind Muslims werent the ones who started the Crusades, or the Holocaust. In fact, during the Crusades the Christians murdered any Muslim, Jew or even Orthodox christian they could find in Jerusalem. Whereas Saladin did not slaughter anyone when he captured the city.

Muhammed was not a warlord, all his battles were in self-defense, whether pre-emptive or otherwise.

I think that if anything Christianity has proven to be the far more violent religion, even if their Christ was so pacifistic. It goes to show that all religions can be evil.

quote:Originally posted by Chinese Food52:

ShqipTAR, have you heard the debate between the author of Prophet of Doom, and the Author of Prophet of Mercy.



Craig Winn sounds like such an idiot on there.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) People still quote him. Hilarious.

I have one question about Bin Laden. What is his "justification" for his war against the States. Just because the US defended the Muslim holy sites from the Iraqis? Is that why? Can some muslims on the site explain that to me?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

I have one question about Bin Laden. What is his "justification" for his war against the States. Just because the US defended the Muslim holy sites from the Iraqis? Is that why? Can some muslims on the site explain that to me?

http://tinyurl.com/kva1 In his own words. You and OBL have alot in common, you both like to make shit up by copying and pasting shit out of the Quran while ignoring half of it.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

I have one question about Bin Laden. What is his "justification" for his war against the States. Just because the US defended the Muslim holy sites from the Iraqis? Is that why? Can some muslims on the site explain that to me?

http://tinyurl.com/kva1 In his own words. You and OBL have alot in common, you both like to make shit up by copying and pasting shit out of the Quran while ignoring half of it.

It's just too bad that I made NO MENTION OF THE QURAN! I was just asking a question to the Muslims on the site. Not you dickhead. Quit getting high and coming onto this website, you make yourself look as smart as Al Gore.

Edit- Part of his campaign is to convert the US to Islam? Fuck him. In no way did we help the russians in chechnya, in no way did we help the indians in Kashmir. When did our troops occupy saudi arabia? TO PROTECT THEM FROM HUSSEIN!! We in no way "steal" their oil. We buy it just like everyone else. It is you and bin laden who are on the same page, not him and I. You need to shut up.

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quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

It's just too bad that I made NO MENTION OF THE QURAN! I was just asking a question to the Muslims on the site. Not you dickhead. Quit getting high and coming onto this website, you make yourself look as smart as Al Gore.

Edit- Part of his campaign is to convert the US to Islam? Fuck him. In no way did we help the russians in chechnya, in no way did we help the indians in Kashmir. When did our troops occupy saudi arabia? TO PROTECT THEM FROM HUSSEIN!! We in no way "steal" their oil. We buy it just like everyone else. It is you and bin laden who are on the same page, not him and I. You need to shut up.



Rofl you are a fucking idiot. I am a Muslim, and point out just where the fuck I said I agreed to ANYTHING in the letter? Quit putting words in my mouth bitch, or is that all you are fucking good for?

Where did I put words in your mouth??? You claimed that I just copied and pasted shit from the quran. Which I didnt. I'm a christian and I have never even read the BIBLE why on earth would I read the Quran? OBL is just an idiot who smokes a bit too much opium.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

You claimed that I just copied and pasted shit from the quran. Which I didnt. I'm a christian and I have never even read the BIBLE

Roflmao. Thats all that needs to be said about this.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

I have one question about Bin Laden. What is his "justification" for his war against the States. Just because the US defended the Muslim holy sites from the Iraqis? Is that why? Can some muslims on the site explain that to me?

what war?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

what war?

Ya know the one he's waging right now. The reason the US was attacked on 9/11?

Oh yes and Shipqtar, I have a question for you. I was watching the History Channel's special about OBL and they said that in your religon that a good muslim always warns his enemy before attacking. If this is true then why was there no warning in 2000 w/ the cole? No warning before 9/11?

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quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Ya know the one he's waging right now. The reason the US was attacked on 9/11?

Oh yes and Shipqtar, I have a question for you. I was watching the History Channel's special about OBL and they said that in your religon that a good muslim always warns his enemy before attacking. If this is true then why was there no warning in 2000 w/ the cole? No warning before 9/11?



Maybe because I don't know... If you read the fucking Quran in the first place you might know that even if they were warned they were not legitatement targets. OBL is not Islam. No, I'm not going to link verses. Read the fucking book. You should probally start with your own.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Ya know the one he's waging right now. The reason the US was attacked on 9/11?

Oh yes and Shipqtar, I have a question for you. I was watching the History Channel's special about OBL and they said that in your religon that a good muslim always warns his enemy before attacking. If this is true then why was there no warning in 2000 w/ the cole? No warning before 9/11?



Osama is dead. He's been ded for years. And he wasn't even responsible for 9/11. He even made a fucking video saying he didn't do it. You shouldn't believe your media.

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Ya know the one he's waging right now. The reason the US was attacked on 9/11?

Oh yes and Shipqtar, I have a question for you. I was watching the History Channel's special about OBL and they said that in your religon that a good muslim always warns his enemy before attacking. If this is true then why was there no warning in 2000 w/ the cole? No warning before 9/11?



Osama is dead. He's been ded for years. And he wasn't even responsible for 9/11. He even made a fucking video saying he didn't do it. You shouldn't believe your media.

Are you on drugs? First you say that he's dead, but then you say he made a video that he didnt do it? Anyways, why should I believe him? Should I believe Oswald when he said he didnt kill kennedy? Should I believe that Hitler didnt want war just because he said he didnt?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Are you on drugs? First you say that he's dead, but then you say he made a video that he didnt do it? Anyways, why should I believe him? Should I believe Oswald when he said he didnt kill kennedy? Should I believe that Hitler didnt want war just because he said he didnt?

Maybe you should shut the fuck up and quit talking about shit you know nothing about. I think thats the best thing to do.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

Maybe you should shut the fuck up and quit talking about shit you know nothing about. I think thats the best thing to do.



What just because I pointed out a blatant contradiction in the guy's post?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:



What just because I pointed out a blatant contradiction in the guy's post?

What basic contradictions dumbass? Theres videos of Hitler jacking off on his niece in the Swiss alps, and hes been dead for the last 50 years.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

What basic contradictions dumbass? Theres videos of Hitler jacking off on his niece in the Swiss alps, and hes been dead for the last 50 years.

ShqipTAR, I'm an atheist, but I've always wanted to read the Qur'an just to see what it's all about... do you get much more out of it reading the real thing than reading an English translation?

quote:Originally posted by Kadafi:

ShqipTAR, I'm an atheist, but I've always wanted to read the Qur'an just to see what it's all about... do you get much more out of it reading the real thing than reading an English translation?

Yeah. I don't speak Arabic, outside of basic daily functions. I can't hold a conversation for fuck all in Arabic. But the Quran doesn't flow like it does, in any other language. Even if you don't know what it means, it is just amazingly beautiful language - the Quran is Arabic for 'the recitation', its meant to be said outloud. I read the Quran, while listening to recordings of the Sura (chapter) I'm reading. Even if you don't beleive, when you read the Quran you will find shit that will make you just 'WOAH', because its so true. Just remember not to make any judgements until you read all 114 Suras. I've read it more then I have fingers, and I am still looking out the window, I can't yet see the whole horizon.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

What basic contradictions dumbass? Theres videos of Hitler jacking off on his niece in the Swiss alps, and hes been dead for the last 50 years.

Damn, you're a fucking retard! The kid said "Bin laden has been dead for years." Then he goes on to say "He made a video saying he didnt do it."

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Damn, you're a fucking retard! The kid said "Bin laden has been dead for years." Then he goes on to say "He made a video saying he didnt do it."

Can you tell me just what year the eleventh of september happen'd, or do you not read the fucking papers? If so, minus it from this year, and congradulations!

No I dont read the major papers because they're biased. And what the fuck does the 5 years since 9/11 have ANYTHING to do with my arguement?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

No I dont read the major papers because they're biased. And what the fuck does the 5 years since 9/11 have ANYTHING to do with my arguement?

Did your Mother smoke crack in her third trimester or some shit?

I am still waiting for the day when i see muslims standing up and protesting the violence done by other muslims. If they are all so peace-loving, then why are they not denouncing these violent acts?

quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

I am still waiting for the day when i see muslims standing up and protesting the violence done by other muslims. If they are all so peace-loving, then why are they not denouncing these violent acts?

Why? Because I don't fucking owe you shit.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

Why? Because I don't fucking owe you shit.

Because by not denouncing the acts of those that do it in your god's name, you are condoning them. The problem i have is muslims proclaiming how "peaceful" they are when they dont denounce this violence.



edit: syntax/grammer

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quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

I am still waiting for the day when i see muslims standing up and protesting the violence done by other muslims. If they are all so peace-loving, then why are they not denouncing these violent acts?



Are you retarded?

You've never heard of a Muslim leader denouncing the actions of violence?

...Do you even know where you are?

quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

Because by not denouncing the acts of those that do it in your god's name, you are condoning them. The problem i have is muslims proclaiming how "peaceful" they are when they dont denounce this violence.



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I hate to fucking break it to you, but the world doesn't revolve around America.

I see muslims all the time stomping the American flag, saying the people in the WTC deserved what they got etc. These muslim leaders permit these kind of things in their mosques there are IN OUR CITIES. Until I see more muslims rising up and seperating themselves from these "extremists" instead of permitting them, i am going to continue believing that islam is at its core a violent and opressive religion.

quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

I see muslims all the time stomping the American flag, saying the people in the WTC deserved what they got etc. These muslim leaders permit these kind of things in their mosques there are IN OUR CITIES. Until I see more muslims rising up and seperating themselves from these "extremists" instead of permitting them, i am going to continue believing that islam is at its core a violent and opressive religion.

I think advertising using the American flag is more disrespectful.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I think advertising using the American flag is more disrespectful.



Depending on what is being advertised, I think you are correct. There needs to be stricter laws regarding its use.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

I hate to fucking break it to you, but the world doesn't revolve around America.

Well the world doesnt revolve around muslims either. However, America does run the world.

quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

I see muslims all the time stomping the American flag, saying the people in the WTC deserved what they got etc. These muslim leaders permit these kind of things in their mosques there are IN OUR CITIES. Until I see more muslims rising up and seperating themselves from these "extremists" instead of permitting them, i am going to continue believing that islam is at its core a violent and opressive religion.

And I'm supposed to give a fuck why? Think were as oppresive and violent as you want as long as you don't try to get oppresive and violent with me, I could give a shit.

quote:Well the world doesnt revolve around muslims either. However, America does run the world. Roflmao. Yeah, we'll see about that.

quote:Originally posted by Nagasaki911:

I see muslims all the time

Just stop it right there. What a lying shitbag. Oh wait, maybe you do, on fucking SOUTH PARK or Simpsons or some shit. Give me a fucking break http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

Well the world doesnt revolve around muslims either. However, America does run the world. Roflmao. Yeah, we'll see about that.[/B]



HAHA! Muslims are a bunch of whiny little bitches. They complain "Oh we're so oppressed!" Every little thing that happens to them they burn flags about. Oh and btw, the US DOES run the world. Everyone is scared of us, and we could level your entire region with a few of our ICBMs.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:



HAHA! Muslims are a bunch of whiny little bitches. They complain "Oh we're so oppressed!" Every little thing that happens to them they burn flags about. Oh and btw, the US DOES run the world. Everyone is scared of us, and we could level your entire region with a few of our ICBMs.

Rome ran the world once too... And after they pissed off their neighbours enough... Rome got shanked and burned...

Americans think they run the world... But there hasn't been a single decision by the US that has effected my life in any way...

Terrorists show off their religion all the time because of the same reasons that Rappers show of their bling and Red-neck Americans like you talk about your military power...

That's all they fucking have in life to hold on too...

80% of US forces overseas, an under achieving puppet as a president, a country active in numerous wars, but hasn't won one in decades... ICBMs is all you have... I can't wait till Google takes over the world... Brin & Page for overlords...



[This message has been edited by Axiom (edited 04-14-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:



HAHA! Muslims are a bunch of whiny little bitches. They complain "Oh we're so oppressed!" Every little thing that happens to them they burn flags about. Oh and btw, the US DOES run the world. Everyone is scared of us, and we could level your entire region with a few of our ICBMs.

You don't scare me, dog. ICBMS, eh? The fucks the difference between flying planes into buildings and nuking cities? You are the terrorist here.

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:



HAHA! Muslims are a bunch of whiny little bitches. They complain "Oh we're so oppressed!" Every little thing that happens to them they burn flags about. Oh and btw, the US DOES run the world. Everyone is scared of us, and we could level your entire region with a few of our ICBMs.

You don't scare me, dog. ICBMS, eh? The fucks the difference between flying planes into buildings and nuking cities? You are the terrorist here.

And you are the terrorist here. Oh and whoever said we havent won a war in decades, that's wrong. ever hear of the perisan gulf war?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

And you are the terrorist here. Oh and whoever said we havent won a war in decades, that's wrong. ever hear of the perisan gulf war?

I'm the terrorist? Please show me where I said I support fire bombing little children into submission so I can rule the world? You are fucking ridiculous.

Im sorry for my use of words, I didnt mean YOU in particular I meant the so called "radicals" in your faith. The US doesnt want to dominate the world, we just dont have the manpower. We are doing what those pussies in europe dont wanna do.

Edit-BTW, Im not a dog.

[This message has been edited by vazilizaitsev89 (edited 04-14-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Im sorry for my use of words, I didnt mean YOU in particular I meant the so called "radicals" in your faith. The US doesnt want to dominate the world, we just dont have the manpower. We are doing what those pussies in europe dont wanna do.

Edit-BTW, Im not a dog.



You are willing to do what the pussies in Europe won't, just what is that, dog? Terrorize the rest of the world into submission, so you can rule the world? You or anyone else who ever fucks with my people again, will regret it.

No, we do what we do in Iraq to stop your crazy ass dictators. Who are you threating to kill here Shitbreak? Last time I checked you're people starting terrorizing us before we started bombing you. IE the 1979 Iran Hostage crisis. Dont be jealous of our success while your "civilization" stays in the middle fucking ages. While I do agree that your civilization was the high point in the middle ages, but you somehow managed to stay there and not get out. Oh yea, Muslims did start this war. way back in the 1800s the barbary states, which were in North Africa, were pirates who attacked american vessels. Yea so stfu.

[This message has been edited by vazilizaitsev89 (edited 04-15-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

No, we do what we do in Iraq to stop your crazy ass dictators. Who are you threating to kill here Shitbreak? Last time I checked you're people starting terrorizing us before we started bombing you. IE the 1979 Iran Hostage crisis. Dont be jealous of our success while your "civilization" stays in the middle fucking ages. While I do agree that your civilization was the high point in the middle ages, but you somehow managed to stay there and not get out. Oh yea, Muslims did start this war. way back in the 1800s the barbary states, which were in North Africa, were pirates who attacked american vessels. Yea so stfu.



I'm not fucking Arab, Persian, or North fucking African, so stick your little theories on how I deserve to be terrorized up your fucking ass.

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

Just stop it right there. What a lying shitbag. Oh wait, maybe you do, on fucking SOUTH PARK or Simpsons or some shit. Give me a fucking break http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Why do liberals typically hate Christianity, but yet they think Islam is the shit?

quote:Originally posted by ShqipTAR:

I'm not fucking Arab, Persian, or North fucking African, so stick your little theories on how I deserve to be terrorized up your fucking ass.

Have fun stoning people when you visit Mecca.

quote:Originally posted by book em dano:

Have fun stoning people when you visit Mecca.

I'll have fun stoning YOU when I visit Satans asshole.

Well you still never answered my question. Why are muslims still living back in the 16th century?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Well you still never answered my question. Why are muslims still living back in the 16th century?

Because USA supports the dictators that keep them there. USA's rise to world power is a story of exploitation, theft and yes, terrorism. Islam is not more ridiculous or war-loving than christianity, so the backwardness of some muslim nations is definitely not the religion's fault.

We support that crazy "president" of Iran? The only reason we support the saudis is because they have us by the balls as far as oil goes.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

We support that crazy "president" of Iran? The only reason we support the saudis is because they have us by the balls as far as oil goes.

Um, as far as Iran is concerned, why do you think the 1979 Iran Hostage occured? The U.S. supported the tyrannical rule of the Pasha in that country. Now that Iran has broken off America's control yoke and standing on it's own 2 legs it's making America shake in it's little booties with it's advancements in nuclear technology. Is that a sign of a country in the "middle ages"?

From your user name I'm going out on a limb and assuming you're Russian, or at least russian speaking, right? Unless you think he's an uber 1337 sniper d00d you saw in poorly made world war 2 movie. If it's the former, why would call the Europeans pussies, aren't you one too? At least the Europeans are dealing with world events with cool heads. They don't want war anymore,at least in the west. I'm sure no country or region would if they experienced what europe went through in 39-45.

In summary, shut up.

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[This message has been edited by DAS IST MEIN HAMBURGER88 (edited 04-16-2006).]

The best part about the Muslim/Christian debates is the fact that both religions are lies...

Just another system of control used to keep people in order - religion in particular uses the (unexplainable) Human need for reason and purpose in its life...Any one who is even partially intelligent has already realised that there is no purpose to life, the ignorant go on believeing and fighting for their chosen God/religion while the intelligent just laugh at them.

Not to mention that anyone with any ability to argue logically could denounce either religions diety in circa half a paragraph.

Idiots.

quote:Originally posted by DAS IST MEIN HAMBURGER88:

Um, as far as Iran is concerned, why do you think the 1979 Iran Hostage occured? The U.S. supported the tyrannical rule of the Pasha in that country. Now that Iran has broken off America's control yoke and standing on it's own 2 legs it's making America shake in it's little booties with it's advancements in nuclear technology. Is that a sign of a country in the "middle ages"?

From your user name I'm going out on a limb and assuming you're Russian, or at least russian speaking, right? Unless you think he's an uber 1337 sniper d00d you saw in poorly made world war 2 movie. If it's the former, why would call the Europeans pussies, aren't you one too? At least the Europeans are dealing with world events with cool heads. They don't want war anymore,at least in the west. I'm sure no country or region would if they experienced what europe went through in 39-45.

In summary, shut up.

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No, actually I am greek. I chose this name when I was watching the history channel and they said that he was the greatest sniper in WW2. It had nothing to do with that movie. And no, I was born and raised here in the US. The europeans are trying to follow a policy of appeasement, and now that I think of it. Appeasement failed somewhere else too..now where was it.....Oh yea with Hitler. The french really cant handle anything anyway, they have all of those protests/riots to deal with. Socialism is the wave of the future? I think not.