I keep every times seeing posts like Islam was spread by sword and people were forced to convert to islam in fact i don't deny this , Islam indeed was spread by force, comerce and by peace no fool will deny history facts now i have a litle question do you know Cortez? the spanish guy who conquered mexico well according to history this guy went to mexico then inhabited by natives with catholic priests who asked natives do you believe in jesus (in spanish) and since the natives didn't understand spanish they were killed for denying Jesus now my questions why don't you state similar historical facts like these proving that christians also converted people by force or it's as usual double standards.

i am currently of the jewish faith and i know that religions have been spread by force. but they recognize islam for it more why i don't know in fact i find that alot of muslim beliefs interesting and great i prefer judaism though.

Because christians stopped doing that over 500 years ago. Muslims continue to do it to this day. Christianity was brought to Greece through peace, not war.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

I keep every times seeing posts like Islam was spread by sword and people were forced to convert to islam in fact i don't deny this , Islam indeed was spread by force, comerce and by peace no fool will deny history facts now i have a litle question do you know Cortez? the spanish guy who conquered mexico well according to history this guy went to mexico then inhabited by natives with catholic priests who asked natives do you believe in jesus (in spanish) and since the natives didn't understand spanish they were killed for denying Jesus now my questions why don't you state similar historical facts like these proving that christians also converted people by force or it's as usual double standards.

When Cortes and the Conquistadors come up in discussion on this forum, I am sure that fact will be mentioned. It would be rediculous to talk about Cortes in a thread about Islam.

Don't expect much from this thread. They are blinded by there own hate.

the difference is in their role model. jesus was a peaceful man, and while cortez may have used religion to force his way of life on the natives, this is in no way representative of christianity. muhammed, the final prophet of god, DID go around killing people in the name of god. jesus did no such thing

so you see, you are trying to compare a spaniard, who probably had little knowledge of the actual philosophical message of the bible, with muhammed, the last and greatest prophet of god, who muslims try and model every facet of their life after.

you are comparing apples and oranges.

Jesus: " GOD WILL KILL YOUR CHILDREN"

Jesus: "sell your food to buy swords"

those arn't direct qoutes, just the gist of what i remeber

needless to say, the son of god could get ever so slightly violent at times

my understanding is that he preached love, not peace

quote:Originally posted by PirateJoe:

the difference is in their role model. jesus was a peaceful man, and while cortez may have used religion to force his way of life on the natives, this is in no way representative of christianity. muhammed, the final prophet of god, DID go around killing people in the name of god. jesus did no such thing

so you see, you are trying to compare a spaniard, who probably had little knowledge of the actual philosophical message of the bible, with muhammed, the last and greatest prophet of god, who muslims try and model every facet of their life after.

you are comparing apples and oranges.

Way to completely ignore the way Europe was run for over a millenia. Far more than just Cortez forced Christianity by violence. A better agruement would be to blame it on Catholicism, but the early protestants were no better. Christianity did grow out of it, but to castigate Islam for a history of violence, while pretending Christianity did no such thing is either ignorant or dishonest, and hypocritical regardless.

Maybe you could try to be less of a tool and argue about the fact that some Muslims still do it.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Because christians stopped doing that over 500 years ago. Muslims continue to do it to this day. Christianity was brought to Greece through peace, not war.

you really think al-qaeda is trying to spread islam? get real.

all this clash of the religions stuff is pure bullshit.

trying to understand an aspect of politics; war, through the prism of religion means you will always fail to understand.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

I keep every times seeing posts like Islam was spread by sword and people were forced to convert to islam in fact i don't deny this , Islam indeed was spread by force, comerce and by peace no fool will deny history facts now i have a litle question do you know Cortez? the spanish guy who conquered mexico well according to history this guy went to mexico then inhabited by natives with catholic priests who asked natives do you believe in jesus (in spanish) and since the natives didn't understand spanish they were killed for denying Jesus now my questions why don't you state similar historical facts like these proving that christians also converted people by force or it's as usual double standards.

Um, Islam was never spread by force? Oh sure, Countries were conquered by Islamic Leaders, but the civilians inside the countries were never told "Convert or die". Sure there were taxes, but it was never a convert or die thing.

FACT: Taxes imposed on Non-Muslims living under Islamic rule were much lower than taxes from their own government.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Because christians stopped doing that over 500 years ago. Muslims continue to do it to this day. Christianity was brought to Greece through peace, not war.

500 years ago you said! there are now american soldiers in iraq working as missionaries

not to mention that Bush said it was a crusade

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

When Cortes and the Conquistadors come up in discussion on this forum, I am sure that fact will be mentioned. It would be rediculous to talk about Cortes in a thread about Islam.

this thread is about double standards i'm sure you know that but you pretend you didn't understand

quote:Originally posted by PirateJoe:

the difference is in their role model. jesus was a peaceful man, and while cortez may have used religion to force his way of life on the natives, this is in no way representative of christianity. muhammed, the final prophet of god, DID go around killing people in the name of god. jesus did no such thing

so you see, you are trying to compare a spaniard, who probably had little knowledge of the actual philosophical message of the bible, with muhammed, the last and greatest prophet of god, who muslims try and model every facet of their life after.

you are comparing apples and oranges.

I'm talking about the concept why the concept of spreading relligion by force is Bad when it comes to muslims and it's ok

when it's christian doing it?

Christians spreading their religion by force was as bad as the muslims, but since the majority of people around us are christians and not muslims we hear their version of the history.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

Because christians stopped doing that over 500 years ago. Muslims continue to do it to this day. Christianity was brought to Greece through peace, not war.

Point taken.

Furthermore, Jesus said that some will wolves in sheeps clothing. The Bible clearly spells out how a Christian should lead. Cortez went nutty in the name of Jesus, but God has said "Not everyone that calls on my Name will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Just look at Spain, it was under Muslim rule for 800 years, yet it was never forced to convert to Islam. It was the Christians who kicked out the Jews and the Muslims out of the country.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

500 years ago you said! there are now american soldiers in iraq working as missionaries

not to mention that Bush said it was a crusade

Does Islam make your IQ drop by 50 points or something?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Does Islam make your IQ drop by 50 points or something?

Take into consideration that English may not be his first language. \=

if christains did do that then I am sorry. but we are not all like that.

quote:Originally posted by op_m:

Take into consideration that English may not be his first language. \=



That may very well be the case, but logic is not necessarilly inherent only to one language.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Point taken.

Furthermore, Jesus said that some will wolves in sheeps clothing. The Bible clearly spells out how a Christian should lead. Cortez went nutty in the name of Jesus, but God has said "Not everyone that calls on my Name will enter the kingdom of heaven."



He was referring to people who get caught up in their righteous. Sound familiar?

quote:Originally posted by super chick:

if christains did do that then I am sorry. but we are not all like that.

Is that religion similiar to christianity but more stained?

In the Qur'an it says that forcing Islam onto people is Haram (unlawful).

but even with that said, I'm sure many people and most religions have been forced upon people.

In the past Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc have all forced people into believing their religion. and that does certainly not mean everyone is bad.

i think the only religion that doesnt force people (that i know of, prob wrong) is those hippy peace sucking bhuddists.