You Jesus dudes think you have it all figured out. Let me set the record strait here. Jesus hates you bastards because you dont need him anymore. He only likes those he can help, Druggies, Killers, rapists, That bitch from trading spouses and Warmongers. I want you all to think about what you could be getting out of life if you just realise that jesus's embrace will strengthen through the use of sin

Can you back your claim up through Scripture that Jesus [only] cares about sinners?

Or god, same shit. It's all over the bible. Go read it yourself.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

Or god, same shit. It's all over the bible. Go read it yourself.



You should heed your own advice some time by actually reading and understanding what you spout before making baseless assertions.



"There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of the estate.' So he divided his property between them. Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him. The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate. Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 'Your brother has come,' he replied, 'and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.' The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!' 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' " Luke 15:11-31

So, as you can see, the Lord is always happy when we come to Him, or come back to Him, however, that doesn't mean that He doesn't care about His other children. They have all their reward ahead of them for their righteousness.

As stupid as HAND seems, his point actually seems pretty valid. What can Jesus or God to help you if you don't have any problems?

quote:Originally posted by Sanity0verRated:

As stupid as HAND seems, his point actually seems pretty valid. What can Jesus or God to help you if you don't have any problems?

The most decieved a person can ever be is to believe that he/she has no problems. Who among us is perfect? Raise your hand.

*raises hand*

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

*raises hand*



*a trap door opens underneath Ohhi in where he is sucked into the seventh circle of hell*

seventh circle eh?

Fuck the Bible.

God loves us all equally, regardless of what we do or do not do.

quote:Originally posted by HAND:

You Jesus dudes think you have it all figured out. Let me set the record strait here. Jesus hates you bastards because you dont need him anymore. He only likes those he can help, Druggies, Killers, rapists, That bitch from trading spouses and Warmongers. I want you all to think about what you could be getting out of life if you just realise that jesus's embrace will strengthen through the use of sin

A liar, a thief, or a coveter are just as evil as a molestor, a rapist, and a murderer. There are no "small sins". Sin is sin is sin.

We are all fuck ups...we need him until the day we die. His salvation is also not contingent upon our lack of sinning, because we will never be sinless.

He came to save the world, not just people who don't "need his help", because such a person doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by Sanity0verRated:

As stupid as HAND seems, his point actually seems pretty valid. What can Jesus or God to help you if you don't have any problems?

Who has no problems ?

Where are these sinless, perfect people ?

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Fuck the Bible.

God loves us all equally, regardless of what we do or do not do.

He loves us all equally, this is true. We are, afterall, His beloved creation.

You go wrong in assuming that nothing else is required of you besides existing.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 04-08-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:



*a trap door opens underneath Ohhi in where he is sucked into the seventh circle of hell*

*so frightened*

You need to learn how to take a joke.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

You need to learn how to take a joke.



You need to learn how to tell when person is being sarcastic.

P.S. That was a GREAT joke. I'm still laughing (not) http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

A liar, a thief, or a coveter are just as evil as a molestor, a rapist, and a murderer. There are no "small sins". Sin is sin is sin.



If that is true why should one sin be punished harsher than another?

So let me get this straight… by your god’s law, all sins are equal so a man who lies eight times is worse than a man who murders once. Because a lie is equal to murder, and he lied eight times.

That’s fucked up.

sin = sin

not being christian = sin

eating babies, worshipping satan and murdering old ladies = sin

therefore not being christian = eating babies, worshipping satan and murdering old ladies

QED

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

So let me get this straight… by your god’s law, all sins are equal so a man who lies eight times is worse than a man who murders once. Because a lie is equal to murder, and he lied eight times.

That’s fucked up.

Not if you look at it from God's perspective.

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

Not if you look at it from God's perspective.

The Christian god is a cunt though.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

The Christian god is a cunt though.

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

Not if you look at it from God's perspective.

Then it's simply retarded.

I don't believe in God.

But for arguments sake.......I DARE YOU TO STEP DOWN OFF YOUR PINK FLUFFY CLOUD AND PROVE ME WRONG, BITCH!

*Taps fingers on desk*

Still waiting.....

Ok, well i'm gonna go get something to eat.

I meant problems that will or have ruined your life. Not minor problems people can usually deal with alone. Sorry for the lack of clarification.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

You need to learn how to take a joke.



I guess I should have been more obvious. I'll dress in a clown suit next time I say it.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

If that is true why should one sin be punished harsher than another?

No one is punished any differently than anyone else.

The key is salvation through Jesus Christ.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

So let me get this straight… by your god’s law, all sins are equal so a man who lies eight times is worse than a man who murders once. Because a lie is equal to murder, and he lied eight times.

That’s fucked up.

Uhhh....no.

A man that lies is a sinner.

A man that steals is a sinner.

A man that commits adultery is a sinner.

A man that murder is a sinner.

There is not a points system in place here. We are like white sheets, and once we sin, a blemish appears on the sheet. It will not come off unless it is washed clean, and it can only be washed clean by Jesus Christ. Regardless of how many blemishes the sheet has, just ONE blemish is enough.

God can't be havin' dirty sheets in Heaven. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Fuck the Bible.

God loves us all equally, regardless of what we do or do not do.

If that's true, then there is still no purpose to our existence.

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

sin = sin

not being christian = sin

Wrong. Not believing in God is the only unforgivable sin.

Being a Christian = belief in Christ.

Think about the indegenous peoples of Madagascar. They will most likely never hear about Jesus Christ. Should they be judged the same as those of us who have heard about him ?

Belief in God the creator is what is required.

quote:eating babies, worshipping satan and murdering old ladies = sin

Belief in God would prevent you from doing these things, because you'd be motivated by the Holy Spirit.

Again, disbelief in God is the most important thing.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

The Christian god is a cunt though.

You don't understand Him, so who's the cunt ?

He has given you every opportunity. You have several Christians here you could ask for information from, and ANYONE can get a Bible.

You stand there, defiant in your ignorance, claiming that God is the cunt ?

You're so brave. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

Then it's simply retarded.

He is incorrect, since that is not how God views things. It's simply not how God works.

It's retarded, because he doesn't understand.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

No one is punished any differently than anyone else.

The key is salvation through Jesus Christ.

Worship Jesus and follow the rules he invented and spend forever worshipping him in heaven... or burn in hell for eternity. Yeah, great options.

Digital Savour, you think you're some holier than now ass who has a personal relationship with God. But you don't, it is your own personal view point of God as mine is my own. I don't see God as a nice person, it would make me immoral to worship something I see as nasty. Get over it, your view isn't the only right one because there is no right and wrong view as all viewpoints are totally subjective.

Only God in me is Holy. Nothing about me is Holy.

Also, God is not a person...and I have told you several times to stop personifying Him.

I believe this is the fundamental reason for your lack of understanding Him.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Only God in me is Holy. Nothing about me is Holy.

Also, God is not a person...and I have told you several times to stop personifying Him.

I believe this is the fundamental reason for your lack of understanding Him.

I don’t humanise him. And I do ‘understand’ this God you are talking about, since I used to believe in it myself and I used to be Christian. It’s really hilarious how you think that you, out of all the people in the world, have this great relationship with God where you just understand him perfectly.

On a different note, when you say it’s God in you that is holy, and not you, have you ever thought that you are referring to yourself? You see, there are these Christians called Gnostics who believe that they all have a part of divinity inside themselves, and once they understand themselves and have a relationship with themselves, they’ll understand God and the world. What you are talking about, your personal relationship with God, is very Gnostic, yet you act as if it is absolute.

Every religious person claims to have a personal relationship with God, yet all interpret him differently, and here you are thinking yours is correct when you’re just ONE person. Don’t you see how Absurd that it?

God and I watched monday night football.

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I have a question.

Why?

Why should we worship this "God" you speak of?

Just because he created us? Just because he pulled off one mystical stunt (from our perspective), we have to bow down before him? Because unless i'm mistaken, then my parents act of unprotected stupidness led them to be my "creators."

Let me ask you this. Did i ask to be here? Did any of us?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Belief in God would prevent you from doing these things, because you'd be motivated by the Holy Spirit.

Again, disbelief in God is the most important thing.

That is the single most stupidest fucking thing i have ever fucking heard!

Everyone in the world sins it's FACT by your own statement belief in God would prevent sin, because you'd be motivated by the Holy Spirit. Which means what? Nobody believes in God?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

A liar, a thief, or a coveter are just as evil as a molestor, a rapist, and a murderer. There are no "small sins". Sin is sin is sin.

[b]We are all fuck ups[b/]...we need him until the day we die. His salvation is also not contingent upon our lack of sinning, because we will never be sinless.

He came to save the world, not just people who don't "need his help", because such a person doesn't exist.



we're all fucks ups,says who?

I dont have a job,a girlfriend,anything basically except my family and friends.but im not a fuck up,i'm content.

It's people like you that make me want to choke the life out of every blind fucking christian on this ignorant planet.

So what you are trying to tell us is that you're perfect? And if so, define the criteria for 'perfection.'

my idea must not have come across corectly.

I'm not perfect,no one is.but im content,because perfection is impossible to attain.

so my idea is don't try for something you can't get.

and i am not going to feel guilty for"sinning".im human,im broken,i cant be mended.i fuck up.but i am not A fuck up.

and the threat of eternity in "hell"is a ludirus idea to put fear into people.

what kind of all loving god wants that?

oh,and if god is perfect,he would have perfect mercy.he wouldn't send anyone to hell, a father would give his son/s eternity to get it right.and no fathers mercy is perfect.

hieroglyphx

*Fixed.

On that note, let me ask a question. Know that I am asking this out of sincere questioning, not contentious bullshitting.

How does the concepts of omnibenevolence and eternal damnation coexist?

Though, I guess it is possible that God could still love you, despite you being placed in eternal hell. It doesn't have to be necessarily all that loving for it to be love.