She's the smartest woman on totse. I admire her. I hope I catch up to her mentality state soon.

Ooooo yea harder harder.....

The point of this thread is?

I'm just suprised it isn't locked yet.

Damn Lost and her having a life.

quote:Originally posted by Dadegunna305:

She's the smartest woman on totse. I admire her. I hope I catch up to her mentality state soon.

Another christian fanatic!?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wow..... Compliments for Digi. I'm quite fond of Digi, but then again I'm a biased source.

This is an unusual sentiment around these parts. I'll just give a simple thanks. It was sweet of you, Dade.

Now that you're labeled a Digi-Lover, prepare for the onslaught of hate mail you are about to receive. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Also, WHERE IS LOST ?!!!

*starts her manhunt under the rafters*

quote:Originally posted by Dadegunna305:

She's the smartest woman on totse.

Which makes her 3 billionth overall.

Digi is funny.

I love her.

A necessary release valve when I need entertainment. But always a good, happy, make fun of her type of entertainment.

I love you, Digi. Will you marry me?

I don't like hyro-what's his face. He's a guy, and he's not as funny.

This is funny.

I'm laughing.

As long as you're happy... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

She's crazy christian scum!

The appropriate title is "Jesus Freak." http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Thanks for playing the Bigotry Game ! You're a winner !!!

are you serious? or are you trying to get digital to "break you off something proper"?

Personally I would give the OP something to chew on before he starts humping your leg... but that's just me.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The appropriate title is "Jesus Freak." http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Thanks for playing the Bigotry Game ! You're a winner !!!

Yes, I'm bigoted for calling someone crazy scum for believing in and following a book as evil as the Bible. *rolls eyes*

Yeah, you're a bigot.

BIGOT (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot)

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Tell me how you do not fit that description.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Digi is funny.

I love her.

A necessary release valve when I need entertainment. But always a good, happy, make fun of her type of entertainment.

I love you, Digi. Will you marry me?

I don't like hyro-what's his face. He's a guy, and he's not as funny.

This is funny.

I'm laughing.

i, too, love you. can i also use you as my release valve?

I'm married to hyroglyphx. Sorry. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Yeah, you're a bigot.

BIGOT (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot)

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Tell me how you do not fit that description.

ok, then call me a bigot. If it's bigotted to hate stupid beliefs that cause more trouble than good, than I'm a big fat fucking bigot. I really don't give a crap, because at least I'm not the one worshipping a psycho that isn't real.

Well since this is an admiration thread, I will say what I do admire about her.

She is without question a great person. Although she may have a few immoral beliefs (I don't know her stance on homosexuality) she is still trying, and it would be more due to her christian environment then anything most likely.

That said, she, and people like her, blatantly scare the shit out of me. Her beliefs, and how strongly she adheres to them, is frightening.

I'm not scared of her belief in God- that's great, if you feel there's a God it's your business.

I am very scared, though, of her extremist belief in a very specific religion based on a a single ancient book written in times of horrible bigotry and atrocious crimes against humanity.

Regardless of where this insane faith came from, you need to be able to objectively analzye if your belief really makes sense. Seriously, people who still believe in creation (and not because of ignorance or apathy) are so self deceived and mentally screwed at this point that it's pointless to argue with them.

If you can't handle modern science disproving your religion, there is something wrong with you.

Is there no amount of proof that would convince you? Why does the bible have to be innerant? It factually isn't, it contradicts itself. A literal interpretation of the bible is impossible.

If you literally believe the bible, it means that you believe:

The people with Saul heard a voice but also didn't hear a voice somehow

The last word Jesus said when he died was 'me', 'spirit,' and 'ghost,' somehow

And many more. See what I mean by self deceived?

The only counter is that they don't need to be taken literally, or they aren't meaningful, or that the bible doesn't need to be 100% inerrant.

Then how the hell do you know genesis was meant to be taken literally, or if false would be a meaningful contradiction? Especially when disproven by science.

I'm sorry, that was a long rant. I know digi won't read it, but I feel better now. Wheew.

Of course I read it...

You have made some fallacious claims, and then ask in the same sentence for me to justify myself.

If you spent less time concocting reasons why you think my beliefs are whacked, and more time on understanding them, you'd be better off.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss the issues you have with the Bible.

MSN: desired.hush@hotmail.com

AIM: desired hush

IRC (Slashnet): Digital (just PM me, and I will tell you which channel to go to from there)

Aside from all that, thanks for saying I am a good person...but I'm not. Christ in me is the only thing that is good about me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

ok, then call me a bigot. If it's bigotted to hate stupid beliefs that cause more trouble than good, than I'm a big fat fucking bigot. I really don't give a crap, because at least I'm not the one worshipping a psycho that isn't real.

If He's not real, He cannot be psycho.

A mature person would see that hating ones beliefs does not equate to hating the person who subscribes to them.

I used to be a christian. It was reading the bible and trying to and then actually understanding it that made me realise it was whacked.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If He's not real, He cannot be psycho.

A mature person would see that hating ones beliefs does not equate to hating the person who subscribes to them.

Beliefs are part of a person and make that person. I hate hardcore Christians who believe everything in the bible is FACT for the simple reason they believe and agree with some very nasty things, which in my eyes make them not very nice people nor very moral people.

EDIT: He’s a fictional character, just like the joker in batman. The joker is a psychopath AND a fictional character.





[This message has been edited by Adrenochrome (edited 04-09-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Of course I read it...

You have made some fallacious claims, and then ask in the same sentence for me to justify myself.

If you spent less time concocting reasons why you think my beliefs are whacked, and more time on understanding them, you'd be better off.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss the issues you have with the Bible.

MSN: desired.hush@hotmail.com

AIM: desired hush

IRC (Slashnet): Digital (just PM me, and I will tell you which channel to go to from there)

Aside from all that, thanks for saying I am a good person...but I'm not. Christ in me is the only thing that is good about me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)



And I'm glad you read it, its just...you've never replied to anything I've said before, even relating to you, so I figured...it was a nice surprise though, and I appreciate the response.

Which sentence was the fallacious claim and then asking you to justify yourself?

And I don't 'concoct' reasons; I know them because they are the reasons I am no longer christian.

Also, I understand creation and your other beliefs perfectly. I am no scholar, but I believed creation myself up until I was 9 or 10 or so. I used to read the children's bible every night and I was very very deeply religious. It gave me a lot of strength to do what was right and not get depressed.

It's just that now I have the strength to do what is right for absolutely no reason other then that it is right. I have grown a lot as a person, and I am much better and healthier for it.

I'm healthier because now I don't feel guilty about not agreeing with church doctrines. My deconversion has allowed me to love much more freely then before and experience life to the fullest. It may be just the reverse for you, I don't know.

God, I don't know why I keep ranting, but I'll probably give you a ring on aim. I mean..'ring' isn't the right word but whatever. My screenname is IanBoyd57, conveniently. Huh, I actually thought that was my name on this too. Anyway.

Anyone else, feel free to say hello too.

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

Well since this is an admiration thread, I will say what I do admire about her.

She is without question a great person. Although she may have a few immoral beliefs (I don't know her stance on homosexuality) she is still trying, and it would be more due to her christian environment then anything most likely.

That said, she, and people like her, blatantly scare the shit out of me. Her beliefs, and how strongly she adheres to them, is frightening.

I'm not scared of her belief in God- that's great, if you feel there's a God it's your business.

I am very scared, though, of her extremist belief in a very specific religion based on a a single ancient book written in times of horrible bigotry and atrocious crimes against humanity.

Regardless of where this insane faith came from, you need to be able to objectively analzye if your belief really makes sense. Seriously, people who still believe in creation (and not because of ignorance or apathy) are so self deceived and mentally screwed at this point that it's pointless to argue with them.

If you can't handle modern science disproving your religion, there is something wrong with you.

Is there no amount of proof that would convince you? Why does the bible have to be innerant? It factually isn't, it contradicts itself. A literal interpretation of the bible is impossible.

If you literally believe the bible, it means that you believe:

The people with Saul heard a voice but also didn't hear a voice somehow

The last word Jesus said when he died was 'me', 'spirit,' and 'ghost,' somehow

And many more. See what I mean by self deceived?

The only counter is that they don't need to be taken literally, or they aren't meaningful, or that the bible doesn't need to be 100% inerrant.

Then how the hell do you know genesis was meant to be taken literally, or if false would be a meaningful contradiction? Especially when disproven by science.

I'm sorry, that was a long rant. I know digi won't read it, but I feel better now. Wheew.



I'm afraid you will never understand God nor what the plan of redemtion is if you want continue to believe that the way to God is through a complete and unquestioned understanding of ancient scriptures.

While they serve their purpose and are with us for a reason, what is important to keep in mind is that your views have been around for centuries. This age old debate will go on until the very last second of the existence of time has left us.

Despite this fact, the words still remain and continue to lead people to faith in God. I'm certain that no matter how hard mankind tries, we will not be able to erase these words as they serve as the written natural laws governing the action and reaction in the bodies, hearts and minds of men. After all what is it to us if a sparrow shall pass in the forest? Why is it that only mankind needs a prophet?

All actions have consequence whether it be good or bad and the natural course of life will always follow the laws set down by God. This is one thing in my short life Where I have seen no error.

You see, something governs the days of our life, the number of hairs on our head, the number of grains of sand on a beach as well showing a tree which direction to grow. Something has said the ocean can only go so far and the mountains can only go so high. The governing of life and death is a mystery outside of the bible as it lays out perfectly the ways of man.

He said, if you live a rioters life then it is the outcome of that life, or the consequences that have been layed down and marked even before the begining of time, that will testify against us in the end.

If we live opposed to the ways of righteousness then it is darkness we will live in. This is another law that is true. I've seen desolation in the eyes of a wayward man who has lost his way. It is the void and seperation of a man from God. There has been no more horrible condition I have ever experienced in my life then to know God is against me because of the things that I do or have done.

Somethings are put in front of us as stumbling blocks to prevent our understanding and for good reason. Sometimes things are taken away from us that keep us from seeing the truth. Sometimes we are put in complete isolation and are faced with the choice between those things or God.

All of these things are only for us to come to the conclusion that all things in this world are temporary and are destined for death, corrosion or destruction. Since we know this is also a true law of life, why do we hang our philosophical hats on the way that is destined to die? Which is the way of man as we know by history that mans ideas rarely outlive that man.

I have not mentioned or referenced one sentence of scripture in any of this so you know it is my own words that testify. I have understood what is written in the bible and have a great desire to conform my life to it through my faith in knowing that God exists.

I have lived on both sides of this issue and now know which is better between the two. The lifestyle that leads to death or a lifestyle that leads to life is not a mystery to anyone of us. Not even you as I'm sure you know what it means when someone said "taking the high road" or "following the straight and narrow path". We all know the choices in life we have to make and we readily make whatever choice our heart chases after.

I'm not talking about physical life nor death but spiritual. To see the scripture from this perspective helps us to understand what it is God is telling us through His word.

Only the pure in heart who seek Him in all honesty and earnest will get it. Else, it will remain hidden from you. All rebellion must be surrendered before redemption can take hold. This is something I see that Digital Savior understands and is here to explain. Though you have your convictions on your views, nobody can pry you from them but you. So I can only ask to still your spirit and be fair and honest with the things you see.

Thank you for reading this far.

~Amen

[This message has been edited by Interest (edited 04-09-2006).]

Don't listen to 'em, IanBoyd3. They're trying to suck you back into their cult.

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

And I'm glad you read it, its just...you've never replied to anything I've said before, even relating to you, so I figured...it was a nice surprise though, and I appreciate the response.

I apologize. I honestly have never seen you post before today.

quote:Which sentence was the fallacious claim and then asking you to justify yourself?

1. The contradictions

2. Everything you said about me

quote:And I don't 'concoct' reasons; I know them because they are the reasons I am no longer christian.

You should have consulted a pastor, or a Bible scholar, instead of trying to figure it out on your own.

We all need instruction from time to time.

quote:Also, I understand creation and your other beliefs perfectly. I am no scholar, but I believed creation myself up until I was 9 or 10 or so.

What could you possibly have understood about Creation and Intelligent Design at that age !? http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)

quote:I used to read the children's bible every night and I was very very deeply religious. It gave me a lot of strength to do what was right and not get depressed.

You were also very young and impressionable. I wouldn't consider that a time of faith in your life, but a time of obedience and discovery.

Now that you are older, I'd advise you to speak to someone with some extensive background in these topics...you might be pleasantly surprised.

quote:It's just that now I have the strength to do what is right for absolutely no reason other then that it is right. I have grown a lot as a person, and I am much better and healthier for it.

I don't doubt that you have grown, but what signifies "better" ?

Also, where do you think your sense of "right and wrong" comes from ?

It sounds to me like you took everything you liked about God with you, but now you're giving yourself credit, instead of Him.

quote:I'm healthier because now I don't feel guilty about not agreeing with church doctrines.

Why would you feel guilty for it ?

Being a Christian doesn't mean you lack the ability to question and think for yourself.

Christianity is FULL of disagreement ! LOL

quote:My deconversion has allowed me to love much more freely then before and experience life to the fullest. It may be just the reverse for you, I don't know.

Of course it is...I understand God's will in my life, and if I don't follow Him, I am miserable.

I know that this would be the same for you, had you had a legitimate relationship with Him.

I personally feel that you were too young to know what you were doing, and I blame your parents and your church for not helping you understand God better.

quote:God, I don't know why I keep ranting, but I'll probably give you a ring on aim. I mean..'ring' isn't the right word but whatever. My screenname is IanBoyd57, conveniently. Huh, I actually thought that was my name on this too. Anyway.

Because you need to talk. It's cool. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 04-09-2006).]

*applauds Interest*

Great post, man.

Omg it's Digital_Savior http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Great person.

ROFL

Ssssthop it.

First of all interest, you write very well. I agree with your view of things. You equate God to good and to where everything came from, and that is how I think God should be perceived. I simply don't like religion and the bible because of the way they seem to get in the way of the light and goodness you are talking about.

Just keep in mind that to be following the holy righteous blessed great way you are talking about, does not mean one has to follow the right religion, book or God. Muslims and Hindus and Atheists and Agnostics (like me) all go there.

Adrenochrome, I am listening, but I'm not going to join their cult. I agree with Interest in his perception of things, I just disagree with the 'cult' that religion has kind of turned itself into.

You have to understand, just because you have defined righteousness and understanding as God, and I don't call it that, does not mean I am 'opposed to righteousness' or have less 'spirituality' then you (a word that has no real definition). Different strokes man.

Religious people in general need to stop explaining how they are right because of their path to the light and so on. I have found the light too. I understand a great deal about honesty, integirty, pureness of heart, faithfullness, caring, goodness, and love.

If you like to call this light God, go ahead. I am agnostic, and if there is a God, that is what he is to me.

I am not going down the wrong path by not following God.

I am following the path I know to be right, and I also know that if there is a God, he is at the end of that path.

So trust in the fact that if you follow your heart, you find the concept of God inevitably.

I only want to ensure that people truly follow their hearts and minds, instead of being guided onwards by books that claim to be perfect guides of such.

I believe that you can't truly be going down the right path if you are following something your heart and mind don't agree with.

I am happy that you have found the light interest, I have found it to. Whatever name you give it, I'm just glad you have it. Follow your heart, your mind, and the truth, wherever it leads.

Digital_Savior = teh suck

quote:Originally posted by Dadegunna305:

She's the smartest woman on totse. I admire her. I hope I catch up to her mentality state soon.

I'm going to refute your entire post: Rust.

Oh shit... Rust is all man.

Keep it up Digital, your an amazing debator, and a very strong christian, from what I can tell anyway, I look forward to reading your posts again.

Rust = male?

Digitalsavior:

I spoked to u a long time ago. Me and you were friends, and spoke on AIM often. I showed u my myspace i remember, and u gave me a pic of u. You have reddish hair. But then, I tried to introduce u to my other chritian friend and u said "For What". then I showed what he said about u saying that "Doesn't matter, I can get all the answers from God" (or something like that) and then u got mad and told me to never talk to u again. u blocked me from AIM.

I made this post cus i luv u. What u do on totse is awesome. The people who hate u and that are lost on totse will soon get saved, at least some. Kee up the good work u pussycat.

P.S.

I've been a member of totse for a couple of days. And for a year I've been waiting for registration to open. and it finally did. a year!

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

*applauds Interest*

Great post, man.

Thanks..you know me as another screen name but after the totse crashed a while ago I couldn't log back in under that name.

So here I am again - we spoke on AIM once and I told you I was going to stay away from this place but, after some time I realized I need to keep an eye on this forum.



One day somebody is going to be on their last string of hope in life and will ask the question regarding faith. They will be bombarded with careless statements that are thrown around here as if words have no meaning or impact. That person who is seeking may be pushed past their last try if someone like you is not standing on the watchtower.

I may be wordy but this is why we are here. Beyond being ridiculed, hated, taunted, abused and so on we have a purpose to stand and wait for the one person who is truly seeking God and let them know that there is hope of reason and purpose to our lives.

Fishers of men -

Interest (Matthew 25:14-29)

For all who read, get right with God - it is certain that the days are short.

So you are saying that if someone is not like you (with god and all) then their life has no purpose???

She's been my favourite shiksah for oh so long...more people should come to this OP's realisation!

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

First of all interest, you write very well. I agree with your view of things. You equate God to good and to where everything came from, and that is how I think God should be perceived. I simply don't like religion and the bible because of the way they seem to get in the way of the light and goodness you are talking about.

Just keep in mind that to be following the holy righteous blessed great way you are talking about, does not mean one has to follow the right religion, book or God. Muslims and Hindus and Atheists and Agnostics (like me) all go there.

Adrenochrome, I am listening, but I'm not going to join their cult. I agree with Interest in his perception of things, I just disagree with the 'cult' that religion has kind of turned itself into.

You have to understand, just because you have defined righteousness and understanding as God, and I don't call it that, does not mean I am 'opposed to righteousness' or have less 'spirituality' then you (a word that has no real definition). Different strokes man.

Religious people in general need to stop explaining how they are right because of their path to the light and so on. I have found the light too. I understand a great deal about honesty, integirty, pureness of heart, faithfullness, caring, goodness, and love.

If you like to call this light God, go ahead. I am agnostic, and if there is a God, that is what he is to me.

I am not going down the wrong path by not following God.

I am following the path I know to be right, and I also know that if there is a God, he is at the end of that path.

So trust in the fact that if you follow your heart, you find the concept of God inevitably.

I only want to ensure that people truly follow their hearts and minds, instead of being guided onwards by books that claim to be perfect guides of such.

I believe that you can't truly be going down the right path if you are following something your heart and mind don't agree with.

I am happy that you have found the light interest, I have found it to. Whatever name you give it, I'm just glad you have it. Follow your heart, your mind, and the truth, wherever it leads.



Thankyou for your kindness -

The one thing that has always challenged me is the path one takes to get to God. Or the question concerning how Jesus said I am the truth the way and the life and there is no way to the Father except through me.

Most of us see this as a literal promise that all who seek God apart from Jesus will be condemned to Hell. Since I don't know the "ultimate plan" for all of us, all I can say at this point is I know God exists. He has pulled me from the fire and the shipwrecked life I was leading and put me on my feet again, many times over.

To conclude this is to say I don't know how God will judge even my own life but, I do know that I have been called to Him through His Christ Jesus. Who has promised us that our debts have been paid by what He did on the cross.

It is the only guaranteed path to God that I know. Following anything else and I believe would be taking our chances.

The issue is the wall of sin that seperates us from knowing God. If we are on a true path to seeking God then we have to open a hole through the barrier that divides the carnal from the spiritual. You see, even Heaven has borders we can't cross. (i.e., illegal aliens - but that's another topic) You see, the great wall of personal sin has to be removed before we can gain spiritual eyes and ears. This is so we can begin to understand the continual tug of war between the flesh and the spirit.

I'll stop her for now but, thanks again for reading.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

So you are saying that if someone is not like you (with god and all) then their life has no purpose???



Apart from God the purpose of ones life can only be defined when life is over. Mark this well, that even on the very last second of one's life that - purpose has the potential of being revealed. Consider the criminals that hung next to Jesus on His left and right. On their last hours the purpose of their lives were encapsulated in biblical script. They lived their entire lives to fullfill that purpose.

It's not for me to judge what purpose God created someone for. Some give reasons for laws while others can live at peace with their neighbor. This is the conditions of "free-will".

Some are pre-destined for salvation while others are pre-destined for damnation. It is written that not all will make it nor all can enter in. If you have not seen or heard then then I invite you now to have a glimpse of truth.

You are here now, why not spend this time with trying to define what your purpose is at this moment. Does the intent of your question matter? It does, and by seeing it we can define a great deal of things. Mostly, those who have and those who have not. It is simple.

Apply your question to your own life and answer it now if you can. What is the purpose of your life other then to live and die? I can not tell you what it is nor can I tell you where you are going but, I can only say that through God lies the answer to the purpose of our lives. It is to get right with Him, there is no other.

quote:Originally posted by Interest:



Apart from God the purpose of ones life can only be defined when life is over. Mark this well, that even on the very last second of one's life that - purpose has the potential of being revealed. Consider the criminals that hung next to Jesus on His left and right. On their last hours the purpose of their lives were encapsulated in biblical script. They lived their entire lives to fullfill that purpose.

It's not for me to judge what purpose God created someone for. Some give reasons for laws while others can live at peace with their neighbor. This is the conditions of "free-will".

Some are pre-destined for salvation while others are pre-destined for damnation. It is written that not all will make it nor all can enter in. If you have not seen or heard then then I invite you now to have a glimpse of truth.

You are here now, why not spend this time with trying to define what your purpose is at this moment. Does the intent of your question matter? It does, and by seeing it we can define a great deal of things. Mostly, those who have and those who have not. It is simple.

Apply your question to your own life and answer it now if you can. What is the purpose of your life other then to live and die? I can not tell you what it is nor can I tell you where you are going but, I can only say that through God lies the answer to the purpose of our lives. It is to get right with Him, there is no other.



Believe me, I have seen the "truth" as you call it. I used to be Christian.

Anyways, I don't need god to define the purpose of my life. It's simple. I am the one who makes my own purpose, and then follows through.

Plus, the only purpose your all-loving and all-caring god has for me is to send me to hell.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:



Believe me, I have seen the "truth" as you call it. I used to be Christian.

Anyways, I don't need god to define the purpose of my life. It's simple. I am the one who makes my own purpose, and then follows through.

Plus, the only purpose your all-loving and all-caring god has for me is to send me to hell.

I know that what you are saying is not true. The condition of your heart and your rebellion is your mirror. Look at it and find out for sure that you have seen a "great light" we "Christians" call the truth.

The truth is not a philosophy or a way of thinking. It is not relative to who ever has an imagination of what they think it should be. It is not a perception of perfect people on earth. My friend, Truth is when thoughts words and actions all match up. It is pain when we are hurt and pleasure when we feel good. It is sweet when we eat good things and foul when we smell bad things.

Truth can not be twisted or broken or re-formed. In the end the Truth is the only that will stand when all lies are cast down. Much like when you shine a light in a dark room the truth will be revealed.

Don't let a haughty man destroy your faith. You have made it to easy for the enemy as he takes your prize.

Does anyone else think this guy is talking total shit?

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

Does anyone else think this guy is talking total shit?

I'm just trying to make a point..if you don't get it then just ask.

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

I'm just trying to make a point..if you don't get it then just ask.



No, no. I get it. But I think it's bullshit.

[This message has been edited by Adrenochrome (edited 04-09-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

No, no. I get it. But I think it's bullshit.





Thanks for your opinion but, the world will continue to spin and all us happy drifters will keep thinking despite of it.

D_S, what's your stance on anal sex before marriage?

I was absent during the whole fiasco, but I've always wondered...

...why did D_S lose modship so soon after being appointed?

I never really got the dirt behind that whole debacle. Anyone care to enlighten me?

quote:Originally posted by Bbq.of.DooM:

Omg it's Digital_Savior http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Great person.



CanAsians are cool too! Bbq, are you 'the' shirt?

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quote:Originally posted by Interest:

Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

*applauds Interest*

Great post, man.

Thanks..you know me as another screen name but after the totse crashed a while ago I couldn't log back in under that name.

So here I am again - we spoke on AIM once and I told you I was going to stay away from this place but, after some time I realized I need to keep an eye on this forum.



One day somebody is going to be on their last string of hope in life and will ask the question regarding faith. They will be bombarded with careless statements that are thrown around here as if words have no meaning or impact. That person who is seeking may be pushed past their last try if someone like you is not standing on the watchtower.

I may be wordy but this is why we are here. Beyond being ridiculed, hated, taunted, abused and so on we have a purpose to stand and wait for the one person who is truly seeking God and let them know that there is hope of reason and purpose to our lives.

Fishers of men -

Interest (Matthew 25:14-29)

For all who read, get right with God - it is certain that the days are short.



The dangers of fundamentalism have never been more evident than in this thread.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The appropriate title is "Jesus Freak." http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Thanks for playing the Bigotry Game ! You're a winner !!!

Whew that's not hypocritical at all. You and buttthrax have the high score on that game.

[This message has been edited by Skankinsasquatch (edited 04-09-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

Keep it up Digital, your an amazing debator, and a very strong christian, from what I can tell anyway, I look forward to reading your posts again.

Thanks. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Dadegunna305:

Digitalsavior:

I spoked to u a long time ago. Me and you were friends, and spoke on AIM often. I showed u my myspace i remember, and u gave me a pic of u. You have reddish hair. But then, I tried to introduce u to my other chritian friend and u said "For What". then I showed what he said about u saying that "Doesn't matter, I can get all the answers from God" (or something like that) and then u got mad and told me to never talk to u again. u blocked me from AIM.

I made this post cus i luv u. What u do on totse is awesome. The people who hate u and that are lost on totse will soon get saved, at least some. Kee up the good work u pussycat.

P.S.

I've been a member of totse for a couple of days. And for a year I've been waiting for registration to open. and it finally did. a year!

My memory is not so bad that I didn't recognize the screen name...LOL

How could I forget a name as obvious as DadeGunna ? Remember, my husband is from Miami. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

And yeah...I did block you, for various reasons, not just because your friend was a jackass.

But it's been a while, so perhaps things have a changed a little. I'll probably unblock you soon. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Anyway, thanks for starting this shit storm. These are always hilarious.

quote:Thanks..you know me as another screen name but after the totse crashed a while ago I couldn't log back in under that name.

You're the Marine, right ?

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

So you are saying that if someone is not like you (with god and all) then their life has no purpose???

That's precisely what he's saying.

God is real. Just because you were too full of angst and ignorance to have a fulfilling relationship with Him doesn't mean He isn't there.

I'm sorry, but your purpose is to live for yourself now, which is no purpose at all, in the grand scheme of things.

I pray that God will bring you back to Him someday, so you can live your life to the fullest, and reap the rewards of His Kingdom in the afterlife.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

She's been my favourite shiksah for oh so long...more people should come to this OP's realisation!

"You say too much, dahlink...so many words. Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble ! Enough !! You must let me SHOW you." http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Yeah, I quoted The Incredibles. So what ?

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:



Believe me, I have seen the "truth" as you call it. I used to be Christian.

You were a kid. I doubt you saw much.

Your complete lack of understanding of the Bible proves how strong your supposed Christianity was.

I would encourage you not to say you used to be a Christian, but that you practiced Christianity, and it didn't work out for you.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come and go like the latest fashionable pair of shoes.

You'd know the difference, if you'd actually experienced Him.

quote:Anyways, I don't need god to define the purpose of my life. It's simple. I am the one who makes my own purpose, and then follows through.

And what is the purpose of that, in teh grand scheme of things ?

What will be said of you 200 years from now ?

Where will you be then ? If "dead" is your answer, then "you have no purpose" is still a valid point.

quote:Plus, the only purpose your all-loving and all-caring god has for me is to send me to hell.

This is how I know you never knew Him.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

Does anyone else think this guy is talking total shit?

No, he's pretty accurate.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

I was absent during the whole fiasco, but I've always wondered...

...why did D_S lose modship so soon after being appointed?

I never really got the dirt behind that whole debacle. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Because I wouldn't let AcidMelt dirty up my forum with his pissing contest with Jack Ketch.

It was a Bitch and Moan thread, and it belonged there. He apparently didn't want me to follow the rules, so when I closed it here and moved it to B&M, he threw a temper tantrum and demodded me, without even saying a word to me about it.

I sent him an email in an attempt to explain that my intention wasn't to undermine his authority, but it was too late.

What I think REALLY happened was that he got so much flack for modding me without consulting the other Admins that he was looking for ANY reason to get rid of me, and that situation gave him the justification he needed.

I did my job, and I am comfortable with my decision.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:



The dangers of fundamentalism have never been more evident than in this thread.

The fact that you find THIS dangerous just proves what a weak and frightened person you are.

quote:Originally posted by Skankinsasquatch:

Whew that's not hypocritical at all. You and buttthrax have the high score on that game.

The point is, we're all bigots.

I just love it when atheists call us names, including bigots, as if they are somehow above the human condition.

I never claimed not to be one. Anyone who claims that is a liar.

"My friend, Truth is when thoughts words and actions all match up."

All these seem to match up for me.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

That's precisely what he's saying.

God is real. Just because you were too full of angst and ignorance to have a fulfilling relationship with Him doesn't mean He isn't there.

I'm sorry, but your purpose is to live for yourself now, which is no purpose at all, in the grand scheme of things.

I pray that God will bring you back to Him someday, so you can live your life to the fullest, and reap the rewards of His Kingdom in the afterlife.

You are a complete idiot if you think that. I don't live for myself now. I can guarantee you that in my short 22 years I have done way more then you will ever be able to do, besides talking about how great your god is.

What IS the grand scheme of things? What is the purpose of your life? Will people (besides your family) ever talk about you 200 years after your death? What will you leave behind yourelf?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

You were a kid. I doubt you saw much.

Your complete lack of understanding of the Bible proves how strong your supposed Christianity was.

I would encourage you not to say you used to be a Christian, but that you practiced Christianity, and it didn't work out for you.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come and go like the latest fashionable pair of shoes.

You'd know the difference, if you'd actually experienced Him.

I wasn't a kid. I don't undertand bible now? Sure I do. I read it with open mind. Infact I will be able to understand it better then you.

Yeah it doesn't go if you are closeminded person who doesn't want to have it othervise because someone told you tthat this is apparently the right way.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

This is how I know you never knew Him.

Accept jesus or go to hell... sound familiar?.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Because I wouldn't let AcidMelt dirty up my forum with his pissing contest with Jack Ketch.

It was a Bitch and Moan thread, and it belonged there. He apparently didn't want me to follow the rules, so when I closed it here and moved it to B&M, he threw a temper tantrum and demodded me, without even saying a word to me about it.

I sent him an email in an attempt to explain that my intention wasn't to undermine his authority, but it was too late.

What I think REALLY happened was that he got so much flack for modding me without consulting the other Admins that he was looking for ANY reason to get rid of me, and that situation gave him the justification he needed.

I did my job, and I am comfortable with my decision.

Wait, really? I thought it was supposed to be a temp thing because either Seph or Lost (I can't remember which forum) was going to be afk for a few days.

If not, then thats some bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

"My friend, Truth is when thoughts words and actions all match up."

All these seem to match up for me.

Tell me the same thing 10 years from now. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Wait, really? I thought it was supposed to be a temp thing because either Seph or Lost (I can't remember which forum) was going to be afk for a few days.

If not, then thats some bullshit.

Sephiroth nominated me, and AcidMelt agreed I was a good choice, though he didn't even know me.

Lost had been very busy at that time, and wasn't able to keep up with the board as much as she should have been (at least that's how it seemed to us).

Somehow, Valmont was ALSO made a mod of this forum, though he was never here, and didn't participate. This caused a shit storm, and Lost was pretty pissed that Acid had made the decision without consulting her. It's her forum, after all.

It was blown way out of proportion, though (by everyone), and in the end, Acid looked like a dick for making me a mod, though that's not how it should have been perceived.

So, he received a lot of crap for it.

I closed his thread and moved it to B&M, and I was demodded. You do the math.

In Lost's defense, she has been doing a superb job since then...though this thread SHOULD have been closed by now. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Heh.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Tell me the same thing 10 years from now. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)



Nothing will change.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The fact that you find THIS dangerous just proves what a weak and frightened person you are.

Yeah, I do find intolerance dangerous. I don't think that makes me weak though.

i cant believe this thread even made it to the second page. well... as a person who takes up religious studies as a hobby, but works within the biotechnology field to keep my views objective i find digital to be misguided. she has the heart, just not the information. her knowledge seems to be limited to religion as it pertains to what you would learn in church and not so much of what you would get from objective independent study.

she means well, but misguided and misinformed. which is dangerous because if she ever does make others see things the way she does, they too will be misinformed and misguided. no disrespect digital, but when someone says that the bible is infallible when there are things that come from the bible known as canonical and noncanonical, you lose all of your credibility pertaining to what you know about the religion.

ADDED: aside from that, i still wouldnt mind using you as a release valve.

[This message has been edited by postdiluvium (edited 04-09-2006).]

quote:That's precisely what he's saying.

God is real. Just because you were too full of angst and ignorance to have a fulfilling relationship with Him doesn't mean He isn't there.

I'm sorry, but your purpose is to live for yourself now, which is no purpose at all, in the grand scheme of things.

I pray that God will bring you back to Him someday, so you can live your life to the fullest, and reap the rewards of His Kingdom in the afterlife.

In response

"The Athanasian paradox that one is three and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."

[Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Smith]

"Strange...a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied seventy times seven and invented Hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!"

[Mark Twain]

"(The Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies. This Bible is built mainly out of fragments of older Bibles that had their day and crumbled to ruin. So it noticeably lacks in originality, necessarily. Its three or four most imposing and impressive events all happened in earlier Bibles; there are only two new things in it: hell, for one, and that singular heaven I have told you about."

[Mark Twain, "Letters from the Earth"]

"A man is accepted into a church for what he

believes and he is turned out for what he knows."

[Mark Twain]

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



In Lost's defense, she has been doing a superb job since then...though this thread SHOULD have been closed by now. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

At first, yeah, it should have, but there seems to be some legitimate discussion going at this point, even if it is generic as hell.

"ZOMG u don't have teh personal relationship with jesus!"

"ZOMG ur god is teh lame"!

I really prefer the more specific threads.

[Edit: Typo]

Reading these post I'm starting to realize the profound difference between the way atheists/agnostics defend themselves and the way christians defend themselves.

Christians arguments all come from the position that they are absolute truth, infallible, perfectly correct, and based on that assumption, start explaining how if you don't agree, you are just too stupid, self deceived, unwilling to accept God, unloving, selfish, etc.

Atheist/Agnostic arguments use actual logic, reasoning, morality, science, and other human things which we can understand objectively to show the way things really are. They don't presuppose they are correct, instead they prove they are and make logical conclusions of what they prove.

Posts from people like Interest and Digital Savior go on and on about how you are going the wrong way away from God, and rejecting love, and make lots of assertions based on the assumption that their faith is completely correct.

Those essays are pointless. You aren't showing how your God is correct, you are just saying what you think would be true if your image of God was true.

Attributing a lack of understanding of God to the reason someone isn't christian is a terrible argument becausee it works on the premise that you are right, and that is assumed a priori.

If you want to make claims like that, you have to use non-faith derived reasoning to show that non-christians are somehow stupider, or more ignorant, or selfish, or don't love enough, or more self-deceived, or too proud, or whatever other crap you want to try and detract us with, instead of just saying that it's true because you are right.

We are not a lesser of a people. Your religion has holes. It's not that we don't want to believe either. Your religion worked before modern days because people weren't as educated or complex back then. However, nowadays we humans are moving towards a higher standard of perfection in beliefs. We can't be held back by religions that are so imperfect. (And for God's sake, please don't come back with the infallible bible bullshit, it contradicts itself over and over. Considering you guys have lost every contradiction argument on this site, you can't just keep stating 100% accuracy over and over and hope we will eventually believe it.)

From the Scopes' Monkey Trial and Evolution to Homosexuality and Contraception, it's about time we evolved past ancient beliefs. I'll admit that it was a reasonably well crafted religion considering it became so major worldwide, but we need to move on.

And people are moving on- most good christians believe evolution. Many of them know in their hearts that homosexuality is not wrong and are speaking out about it.

So please, argue with the same level of logic and reasoning as everyone else if you want to be taken seriously. You aren't 'special,' you don't 'just know' you're right, everyone says that same thing about different issues and you are no different. Get over it.

[This message has been edited by IanBoyd3 (edited 04-09-2006).]

There's a problem Ian, no Christian I've seen on this site has so much as taken an introductory class on logic, though many of them believe they understand it.

Case in point: Can anyone who believes in God tell me what the difference is between a valid conclusion and a sound conclusion? No cheating on the internet, either. God will know.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I'm married to hyroglyphx. Sorry. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Blech, hyro's a boring little bitch. Marry him and you'll just read the Bible and pray all day. Marry me and you get to clean and cook for me while I'm out partying. Whaddaya say?

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Blech, hyro's a boring little bitch. Marry him and you'll just read the Bible and pray all day. Marry me and you get to clean and cook for me while I'm out partying. Whaddaya say?



You're too late partner.