How come so many people on here claim to be converted by people on this forum? Doesn't it seem ridiculous that people could derive divine insight from an online persona, sometimes which is neither compassionate or caring?

Can't people be bothered to figure it out for themselves?

I've never been converted by anyone, but why should written arguments differ frome spoken ones? The bible is written, wether it's in a book or on a website, it'd be the same.

Let's assume God exists, let's say he had spread his word on a website. Would it really be any different from a book?

I'm talking about written opinions.

The internet is simply a means of communication. There are real people behind these 'internet personas', you know. How is it any different from realigning your perception through a face-to-face discussion?

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

The internet is simply a means of communication. There are real people behind these 'internet personas', you know. How is it any different from realigning your perception through a face-to-face discussion?

I am asking why people can't figure it out on their own instead of getting the "real" scoop from internet personas.

[This message has been edited by Atomical (edited 04-10-2006).]

You alone can answer every question you've ever asked yourself? You must be fairly enlightened. Please, share your wisdom with the incompetent masses.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

You alone can answer every question you've ever asked yourself? You must be fairly enlightened. Please, share your wisdom with the incompetent masses.

I do not lack the resources to find answers for questions.

I know of a few people on Totse where a seed was planted and its staring to blossom. As well, many of the Christians here know that if these are in fact the last days, people are becoming educated on the fundamentals of Christianity. They may have an immediate aversion towards the Spirit currently, but when a great many events start to come to pass they will remember what was spoken.

*sigh* you just keep waiting for your apocalypse, don't you? None of the prophetic visions in the bible have come to pass.



[This message has been edited by Adrenochrome (edited 04-10-2006).]

Honestly, I'm all for individual research. However, where do you think any and all information that you may come across originated? Other people!

Whether you're reading a scientific study or simply listening to others ramble on an internet forum, it doesn't matter. It all boils down to humanity's limited grasp of the world around us. We take in whatever information we deem necessary. This is a simple concept.

What in the hell is the point in bitching about the methods that others utilize to learn (i.e. Hearing the opinions of others) when you yourself have only other people to turn to for answers?

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

*sigh* you just keep waiting for your apocalypse, don't you? None of the prophetic visions in the bible have come to pass.







You should actually read the Bible before you judge it. Reading it doesn't equate to skimming through it. If you opened a novel in midway through it, would you expect to understand the plot?

http://www.100prophecies.org/

I've read the Bible the whole way through, you moron. And I've read that site.

I don't want to go into it in detail right now, because I'm tired and high, but it's bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

Honestly, I'm all for individual research. However, where do you think any and all information that you may come across originated? Other people!

Whether you're reading a scientific study or simply listening to others ramble on an internet forum, it doesn't matter. It all boils down to humanity's limited grasp of the world around us. We take in whatever information we deem necessary. This is a simple concept.

What in the hell is the point in bitching about the methods that others utilize to learn (i.e. Hearing the opinions of others) when you yourself have only other people to turn to for answers?

You're not reading me correctly. I'm talking about the people who do not do their own research and cannot formulate their own opinions from research. If a belief system is going to determine whether you go to heaven or hell don't you think it's important to investigate it instead of just accepting someone elses opinion?

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

Honestly, I'm all for individual research. However, where do you think any and all information that you may come across originated? Other people!

Whether you're reading a scientific study or simply listening to others ramble on an internet forum, it doesn't matter. It all boils down to humanity's limited grasp of the world around us. We take in whatever information we deem necessary. This is a simple concept.

What in the hell is the point in bitching about the methods that others utilize to learn (i.e. Hearing the opinions of others) when you yourself have only other people to turn to for answers?



Its quite vexing how we can try and have a cordial conversation only to have it turn ugly and nasty at the first glance of something that doesn't fit our preconcieved notions. I wish there were more people who could disagree with me without resorting to ad hominem. I guess that's asking too much when 75% of Totseans are 15 years old and think they've experienced life. Eh.... I was a little a-hole too. I think its some proverbial rite of passage when you're growing up.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

I've read the Bible the whole way through, you moron. And I've read that site.

I don't want to go into it in detail right now, because I'm tired and high, but it's bullshit.



I rest my case about ad hom.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

I know of a few people on Totse where a seed was planted and its staring to blossom. As well, many of the Christians here know that if these are in fact the last days, people are becoming educated on the fundamentals of Christianity. They may have an immediate aversion towards the Spirit currently, but when a great many events start to come to pass they will remember what was spoken.

I have an aversion to intolerance. That seed has grown and has fully blossomed. Some of the christians on here are intolerant and spread lies.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I have an aversion to intolerance. That seed has grown and has fully blossomed. Some of the christians on here are intolerant and spread lies.





So you're being tolerant to my views?

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/tolerance.html

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Atomical:

Of course I believe that people should not simply accept others' opinions as truth without any further research. Honestly though, how many do you think actually do this. I'd say that most who visit this, or any other forum probably have a general understanding of their own beliefs. Has there been a case on here in which a strong atheist has converted to a devout Christian simply based on another's opinion? (Imagines Rust as a Bible-thumper)

Hyro:

I was hoping for your response to my post in Elephantitis Man's thread. Was my point that bad?

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

Atomical:

Of course I believe that people should not simply accept others' opinions as truth without any further research. Honestly though, how many do you think actually do this. I'd say that most who visit this, or any other forum probably have a general understanding of their own beliefs. Has there been a case on here in which a strong atheist has converted to a devout Christian simply based on another's opinion? (Imagines Rust as a Bible-thumper)

Hyro:

I was hoping for your response to my post in Elephantitis Man's thread. Was my point that bad?



Uhhh, what thread? I'll respond.

"Even if the Christian God did exist..."

I just posted a question that I have posed to Christians before. I've never gotten a straight answer, or one that has at least made sense to me.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

"Even if the Christian God did exist..."

I just posted a question that I have posed to Christians before. I've never gotten a straight answer, or one that has at least made sense to me.



n'kay, I'll go check it out and answer.

I find the opinions of other's valuable along with doing my own research, simply because different people see things differently. You can look at evidence, and form your own beliefs based on that evidence. Then in talking to other people and learning their opinions of the evidence, you find their opinion fits and makes much more sense than your original opinion, so you change it to coincide with theirs. Then you go on and further do research and further compare opinions and further change your opinion. 'Tis how you learn. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

ChaosWyrm's input in that old thread 'reincarnation' were pretty interesting. I wish he would post more.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:



So you're being tolerant to my views?

http: //christia nanswers.n et/q-eden/tolerance.html (http: //christia nanswers.n et/q-eden/ tolerance. html)



quote:

1. McDowell, J. and Hostetler, B., The New Tolerance: How a cultural movement threatens to destroy you, your faith, and your children (Tyndale House, 1998).



Tyndal house publishes bibles. Why does this sound fishy to me?

quote:

Contrast that with what happened at Sydney University in Australia. A number of top academics signed the following statement in a full-page student newspaper advertisement:

'On any criteria, Jesus Christ is one of the great figures of history. More than that, his claims to be the Son of God, who has made God known and taken away the sins of the world, bear up under the closest scrutiny. This is our conviction, and we urge every student to thoroughly investigate this unique figure, Jesus'.



Who are these fabled top academics? None of this bullshit is scholarly or substantiated.