http://www.purevolume.com/livingsacrifice

I hope they never meet any real deathmetalers. Varg Vikernes would do alot more than crucify them.

Am I the only one who busted up laughing upon hearing them?

Sad, but true fact: My parents bought me a Living Sacrifice album for Christmas several years ago. I listened to one song, and decided to use it as a coaster.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

Am I the only one who busted up laughing upon hearing them?

Sad, but true fact: My parents bought me a Living Sacrifice album for Christmas several years ago. I listened to one song, and decided to use it as a coaster.



Which bands do you like?

This is a ...&Rock and Roll topic.

Living Sacrifice tain't that bad.

Christian Death Metal.

Yeah,my mate showed me an album a few years ago.I slapped him,laughed,and explained what an oxy-moron was.

Anyway, I was at this concert a year ago, and this Christian band started to play this death metal sounding song.

Crazy shit.

Christian death metal sounds like a stupid idea. Two awesome christian metal bands though are Saviour Machine and Tourniquet. Saviour Machine actually are nearing completion of an album trilogy about the Revelations.

I like Casting Crowns, Switchfoot, Tait (back in the day), Relient K, Anberlin, 12 stones, Pillar, Kutless, Jeremy Kamp, and Michael W. Smith.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I like Casting Crowns, Switchfoot, Tait (back in the day), Relient K, Anberlin, 12 stones, Pillar, Kutless, Jeremy Kamp, and Michael W. Smith.

You still listen to all that, even though its Christian?

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

You still listen to all that, even though its Christian?



I'm a methodist. And a christian. Heh.

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quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

I hope they never meet any real deathmetalers. Varg Vikernes would do alot more than crucify them.

Varg Vikernes would crucify you if he heard you call Mayhem death metal.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I like Casting Crowns, Switchfoot, Tait (back in the day), Relient K, Anberlin, 12 stones, Pillar, Kutless, Jeremy Kamp, and Michael W. Smith.

It's Tate...and no you do not like those bands/artists. :P

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

I'm a methodist.

Well, then.....*blinks*

That explains a LOT.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Well, then.....*blinks*

That explains a LOT.

Yes, methodists are far more tolerant and less judgemental. Come as you are.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

It's Tate...and no you do not like those bands/artists. :P

No, it's Tait. When I saw them in concert they said it was only going to be a summer time thing and that was several years ago.

http://www.taitband.com/

There is a christian death metal band called Vomitorial Corrpulance I believe. And, vaguely on topic, As I Lay Dying are all christians!

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

You still listen to all that, even though its Christian?





You need to be a christian to listen to christian music?

Shit .

Christian music is gay.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

No, it's Tait. When I saw them in concert they said it was only going to be a summer time thing and that was several years ago.

http://www.taitband.com/

Ok, I stand corrected. I also saw him/them in concert, and I recalled it as Tate.

Anyway, Michael is an AWESOME musician, and I am very please with his post DC Talk work. I am glad he didn't shrink into oblivion once they finally went their separate ways.

They are still touring, performing, and I believe they just came out with a new album...so I guess they changed their minds about their limited schedule !

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quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:



You need to be a christian to listen to christian music?

Shit .

LOL, the guy has got a point, hyroglyphx. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Jesuit, I think he was asking more in relation to whom Atomical has caused us to believe he is...which isn't anything remotely relational to Christianity.

He's ok with homosexuality, which is explicitly forbidden. He is ok with beastiality, though it is also strictly forbidden. Nothing about his political, social, or ethical views would have given us any indication that he was a Christian, and typically people who aren't don't really like to listen to Christian music, of any genre.

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

Yes, methodists are far more tolerant and less judgemental. Come as you are.

No, Methodists allow people to be openly sinful, instead of encouraging repentance, and recovery from addictions and mental disorders.

It is one thing to say, "Come as you are"...it is entirely different to say, "Come as you are, dear sinner, but know that you will be held accountable, and for the well-being of your soul, you will be required to face your sins, and repent of them."

It's not ok to be a homosexual. It's sin. The Bible makes that clear. The Methodist Church seems to think it's not necessary to rebuke others when they are living in blatant sin.

Gamblers, pedophiles, liars, thieves, wife beaters, and adulterers...does the Methodist Church condone those behaviors by not offering spiritual guidance, and encouraging the people committing these sins to repent and abandon their fleshly desires ?

The whole point of being a Christian is to put away the flesh. We cannot do that if we are standing around telling each other it's ok to be sinners. That makes us NO different from an unbeliever...so, then...what is the point of Christianity ? It's our job, as the body of Christ, to offer support and discipleship to people who are in bondage to their flesh.

If being tolerant means that we can do whatever we want and still claim a stake in the Kingdom of Heaven, how are we to differentiate between a Christian and an unbeliever ?

We are supposed to be different. We are supposed to follow God's will. That includes rejecting sin as an entity of control in our lives.

Rebuke and correction is all a part of Christianity, hurt feelings be damned. Anyone who is in bondage to the flesh cannot have an ultimately fulfilling relationship with God. Their ability to be motivated by the Holy Spirit will be muted until they repent of their sins and rely solely on God.

Methodists are wrong, and they are hurting people by allowing them to continue to live their sinful lives. Deliverance from sin is what Christianity is all about...

It's simply ridiculous to think otherwise.

quote:Originally posted by ohhi:

Christian music is gay.



Best thing in the thread...

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

[B] LOL, the guy has got a point, hyroglyphx. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

[quote]

Jesuit, I think he was asking more in relation to whom Atomical has caused us to believe he is...which isn't anything remotely relational to Christianity.



I predicted that you would comment that I'm not a true christian and I was right.

quote:

He's ok with homosexuality, which is explicitly forbidden. He is ok with beastiality, though it is also strictly forbidden.



Homosexuality isn't strictly forbidden. I never said I was okay with beastiality -- even with your husband baiting me. Grow up. You would rather attack me ad hom than debate.



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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



Gamblers, pedophiles, liars, thieves, wife beaters, and adulterers...does the Methodist Church condone those behaviors by not offering spiritual guidance, and encouraging the people committing these sins to repent and abandon their fleshly desires ?





My pastor offers counseling. She's very good at it.

quote:

If being tolerant means that we can do whatever we want and still claim a stake in the Kingdom of Heaven, how are we to differentiate between a Christian and an unbeliever ?



I have never said that is what tolerant means.

quote:

Methodists are wrong, and they are hurting people by allowing them to continue to live their sinful lives. Deliverance from sin is what Christianity is all about...



Does your church kick those out who refuse to stop "sinning?" Mine doesn't. Since we are on the topic of music perhaps you should refer to "We Are the Body" by Casting Crowns. Your attitude pushes people away from Christ.



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quote:Originally posted by Euronymous666:

Varg Vikernes would crucify you if he heard you call Mayhem death metal.



I'm not really that into black metal (True Metal ftw, Death to False Metal!), nor do I care about whatever technicality you're going to pull to claim that Mayhem isn't Black Metal. Without getting into a "10,000 metal genres" arguement, Mayhem is black metal.

"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among the pagans: a man has his father's wife and you are proud of it. Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have expelled out of your fellowship the man who did this?...hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed, and the spirit saved on the day of the Lord. Did you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, that you may be a new batch without yeast...now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a swindler. With such a man does not even eat. - 1st Cor 5:1-11

Why did Paul say this?

"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son." -Hebrews 12:5-7

God wants His children to be safe and to cling to sound doctrine. To me, Atomical, you've substituted Christ for a feel-good, watered down version of the gospel. But that's an idol, an idol no different from the Golden Calf. God's Word is explicit in how we should act. As it relates to homosexuality or any other sin, we gather them and comfort them. However, if they refuse to admit their sin then there really is nothing more for us to say. It would be a greater disservice to tell that man or woman that everything they are doing is fine when it isn't true. That's not a true friendship. A real friend would warn their friends if something was wrong, not placate them, even at the risk of them storming off. Do you understand what I mean by this?

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

[B]"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among the pagans: a man has his father's wife and you are proud of it. Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have expelled out of your fellowship the man who did this?...hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed, and the spirit saved on the day of the Lord. Did you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, that you may be a new batch without yeast...now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a swindler. With such a man does not even eat. - 1st Cor 5:1-11



http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/bible/discrepancies/incest/

quote:

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..."

Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...."

Leviticus 20:17

Yet Abraham marries his father's daughter and remains God's favorite:

"And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

Genesis 20:11-12

Where did that come from? In any case, Abraham lived before Moses to whom the Law was given. So, no, incest is not something that God wants. Its likewise with polygamy. God granted them polygamous marriages for a short season, but those days have ended. Therefore, neither incest or polygamy are acceptable.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Where did that come from?





We're talking about sexual immorality.

quote: In any case, Abraham lived before Moses to whom the Law was given. So, no, incest is not something that God wants. Its likewise with polygamy. God granted them polygamous marriages for a short season, but those days have ended. Therefore, neither incest or polygamy are acceptable.

But certainly Abraham lived after Adam and Eve, a relationship between one man and one women. Why did God approve of multiple wives when he had not created us that way?

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

Your attitude pushes people away from Christ.



I've often felt this when reading anything by Digital saviour ,and often HellzShellz ... Hell even hyroglphx ....

They seem to lack basic courtesy ,seem to think that their belief gives them a right to talk down to us who don;t believ in ways they do...

Who are you to say that a fellow christian is wrong for what they believe? When they seem to show far grateer compassion and understanding than you ever do.

You bitch at these people for allowing sinners to do what they want and yet YOU turn us non-believers AWAY from god. Where is the sense in that? Why do you feel it is ok to make us feel inferior because we do not believ. Can not God see into our souls? Does not God know our love? Do we truly need your sanction to be loved by god?

Does god need me to abase myself like a slave before him ,does god not give me this body that I may enjoy and love his earth? He gives me this gift and you tell me to deny it? I love life with all my heart and you tell me that is wrong? I listen to the tress as they sing to me ,as they dance ,as the rain kisses my face and the wind carrese me . And I am WRONG!?

If god does not love me for my innocent love then he is no god ,If god requires us like a power hungry parent to fall before him . If he requires us to praise his name then he is no god of mine. Does the artist expect us to praise the name or the work?

God is the almighty poet of the universe ,he is the artist of creation . The world is his canvas and we are his paints ,let us join and make ART Let us live our live to please ,to make Him happy ,to make him see our love. let us not squabble over a petty book ,let us join and LOVE the world he made ,Let us love his works so that we may love him. For surely he who loves the work of the poet loves the poet himself? And surely the poetry of the Cosmic Poet is the greatest? Let us love ,and in loving praise....