So I saw this program on the history channel today about how God and angels might actually be aliens.

What do you people in this forum have to say about that?

Just as illogical and unfounded as believing God is a big, invisible guy in the sky.

Iv'e read up on stuff like this. It was probably false, considering that God has never existed.

quote:Originally posted by Megalodon:

It was probably false, considering that God has never existed.And you know this for a fact? I'm not gonna get in an argument, but you can't say and never will be able to say 100% that a god doesn't exist.

I've always thought it was just as possible that God is a big beard in the sky. It answers the same number of questions. I don't believe in God, so it's obviously preferable, but in honesty, it's equally as likely.

quote:Originally posted by chubbyman25:

you can't say and never will be able to say 100% that a god doesn't exist.

WTF?! Okay then. Post that as a new topic and see what arguments you WILL get in. That's the whole point of Atheism. If you're not 100 percent sure, then it's being Agnostic.

Chubbyman 25, prove to me 100% god does exist.

quote:Originally posted by chubbyman25:

Originally posted by Megalodon:

It was probably false, considering that God has never existed.And you know this for a fact? I'm not gonna get in an argument, but you can't say and never will be able to say 100% that a god doesn't exist.



You can't say and never will be able to say that a teapot doesn't orbit Jupiter but you don't see many people claiming it does.

quote:Originally posted by Aft3r ImaGe:

Chubbyman 25, prove to me 100% god does exist.



You know He's not going to. The only logical things A chritian knows is not to get into an argument they cant possibley win. They just cant reason for shit with other things

Well, a major part of their belief is based on Faith. You've got to trust in the teachings and hope that that Guy is up there, or you've been fooled your whole life. He doesn't have to give proof. But if you want the rewards, you've still got to believe.

And I AM pretty sure that there isn't a teapot orbitng Jupiter.

Assuming that there is something 'out there', the concept of a god coming down to earth from heaven could well be related to a UFO because of all the alien type imagery seen in biblical art.

A while ago I found a page detailing the discovery of UFO type thingies in biblical art, if I find it agian I'll post the link

I've heard quite a few theories to that note, and while they're certainly intresting- There's no way to confirm it. A lot of Biblical stuff actually seems quite well linked with possible E.T influences.

IF God exists he's most likely a d00de, not the christian penis. Why wouldn't a cool ass God (one who has provided the good stuff about life) choose to use aliens to do crazy shit...

yeh ok, very unlikely.

Existance of god? Unlikely. Existance of aliens? Very likely.

You people actually think that we are the only living beings in this universe?

what is that? the book of enoch, nephilim argument? the whole angels came down and started bumping uglies with human women?

i bet a *scientologist created that program since they believe we are aliens (not sure if scientologist really believe that, just heard they do).

* = i might be thinking of mormons rather than scientologists.

Well there are some who believe the same crazy shit that people called gods, angels, fairies, demons, leprechauns, and ghosts are of the same nature as the "aliens, ufo's, abductions, mothman, men in black, obe's..." experiences.

Which could mean they are all actually:

Real god/s

Real demons

Real leprechauns

Hallucinations

Space aliens

Interdimensional machines

Time travelers

Dreams

Spirit visitors

Wormholes

Magical sperm pirates

Psychotic episodes

Astral projection

All of the above

or something truly fucking strange we can't even begin to talk about, except it's not one of those other things?

What is a god, but something that is worshipped by those beneath?

quote:Originally posted by HAND:



You know He's not going to. The only logical things A chritian knows is not to get into an argument they cant possibley win. They just cant reason for shit with other things

I love the sentiments people like you give Christians.. 'well err umm.. those christians... they know they can't win so they just keep out of it.. and umm.. all they do is try proving their point'

Perhaps you'd like to tell me why there isn't a God? I think that's the question that should be asked in today's society.. not 'is there a god'.

Some Christians give us a bad name.. but come on... I'm a guy with an open mind and I'm very much a skeptic.. and I nearly delved in to aetheism.. But I researched.. and believing in God is no more absurd than believing the entire planet formed itself out of nothing.

Why make us out to be some kind of small preaching group, going around, making arguments we can't win.. Get fucking real. This might be the case for some Christians, but I think aetheists impose their beliefs on me just as much as christians impose their beliefs.

quote:Originally posted by Jacobjac:

But I researched.. and believing in God is no more absurd than believing the entire planet formed itself out of nothing.

I take it you didn't research much then. Read Steven Hawkings? Or any other great thinkers?

quote:"A man is accepted into a church for what he

believes and he is turned out for what he knows."

[Mark Twain]

quote:"During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for 800 years, gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry."

[Mark Twain, "Europe and Elsewhere"]



quote:"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

[Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930]

quote:"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion."

[Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address]



quote:"Is it fair to be suspicious of an entire profession because of a few bad apples? There are at least two important differences, it seems to me. First, no one doubts that science actually works, whatever mistaken and fraudulent claim may from time to time be offered. But whether there are *any* miraculous cures from faith-healing, beyond the body's own ability to cure itself, is very much at issue. Secondly, the expose' of fraud and error in science is made almost exclusively by science. But the exposure of fraud and error in faith-healing is almost never done by other faith-healers."

[Carl Sagan, "The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark"]

quote:"If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?....For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

[Carl Sagan, "The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark"]

quote:"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary."

[Stephen W. Hawking, Der Spiegel, 1989]

quote:"In childhood our credulity serves us well. It helps us to pack, with extraordinary rapidity, our skulls full of the wisdom of our parents and our ancestors. But if we don't grow out of it in the fullness of time, our ... nature makes us a sitting target for astrologers, mediums, gurus, evangelists, and quacks. We need to replace the automatic credulity of childhood with the constructive skepticism of adult science."

[Richard Dawkins]

quote:"The trouble is that God in this sophisticated, physicist's sense bears no resemblance to the God of the Bible or any other religion. If a physicist says God is another name for Planck's constant, or God is a superstring, we should take it as a picturesque metaphorical way of saying that the nature of superstrings or the value of Planck's constant is a profound mystery. It has obviously not the smallest connection with a being capable of forgiving sins, a being who might listen to prayers, who cares about whether or not the Sabbath begins at 5pm or 6pm, whether you wear a veil or have a bit of arm showing; and no connection whatever with a being capable of imposing a death penalty on His son to expiate the sins of the world before and after he was born. "

[Richard Dawkins]

quote:"On the contrary, if the universe were just electrons and selfish genes, meaningless tragedies like the crashing of this bus [full of children from a Roman Catholic school and for no apparent reason but with wholesale loss of life] are exactly what we should expect, along with equally meaningless _good_ [italics in original] fortune. Such a universe would be neither evil nor good in intention. It would manifest no intentions of any kind. In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."

[Richard Dawkins, _River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of

Life_, 1995, BasicBooks, New York; ISBN 0-465-01606-5]

quote:"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."

[Ferdinand Magellan]

quote:Originally posted by Jacobjac:

I love the sentiments people like you give Christians.. 'well err umm.. those christians... they know they can't win so they just keep out of it.. and umm.. all they do is try proving their point'

Perhaps you'd like to tell me why there isn't a God? I think that's the question that should be asked in today's society.. not 'is there a god'.

Some Christians give us a bad name.. but come on... I'm a guy with an open mind and I'm very much a skeptic.. and I nearly delved in to aetheism.. But I researched.. and believing in God is no more absurd than believing the entire planet formed itself out of nothing.

Why make us out to be some kind of small preaching group, going around, making arguments we can't win.. Get fucking real. This might be the case for some Christians, but I think aetheists impose their beliefs on me just as much as christians impose their beliefs.



But atheists can back up their beliefs with science. Christians can’t

Aetheists can back up their beliefs with science?

Let's just get something straight.. you and I know.. if there was enough evidence to make people think Christianity was crap... barely anyone would be Christian.

As for the person who gave the quotes above.. I'll read them and give a response later or tomorrow based on what I know. Scientists arn't going to solve Christianity, and christianity isn't going to solve science.

But I've seen articles before.. There's no reason why science and christianity can't live in harmony.. for instance.. if you choose to believe the world was created by a big bang.. that may coincide with God's "Let there be light."

Anyway.. I'll make a proper response to those quotes when I can.

The evidence is the physical universe. Miracles and all the shit that God does defy natural laws.

What kind of evidence would tell Christians that God doesn't exist? None, because there's always the Bible and Church for them to go to.

quote:Originally posted by Jacobjac:

...if there was enough evidence to make people think Christianity was crap... barely anyone would be Christian.



Thats a lie. There is already enough evidence to refute most of the bible.

quote:Scientists arn't going to solve Christianity, and christianity isn't going to solve science.



Scientists WILL solve christianity. Christians on the other hand will keep living in their imaginarely world.

I'm happy to debate with anyone.

P.S. I have more quotes http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

the rev at my school spoke to me about this, he's on Christian i respect massively.

"Belief in god is just that. Belief. I blind leap of faith. No one's going to prove or disprove it, so it's pointless for me to aruge with atheist students who think they know better than me."

After Image, those were great quotes and I'd love to hear more if you have them.

quote:Originally posted by Garfunkel:

the rev at my school spoke to me about this, he's on Christian i respect massively.

"Belief in god is just that. Belief. I blind leap of faith. No one's going to prove or disprove it, so it's pointless for me to aruge with atheist students who think they know better than me."

Very correct.

quote:Originally posted by book em dano:

So I saw this program on the history channel today about how God and angels might actually be aliens.

What do you people in this forum have to say about that?

Could be. Who knows?