I have this friend and a while back he got another friend of mine inpregnated. This is when I found out he was antiabortion. I'd never known before. In fact, when he told me he was antiabortion I laughed because I thought he was joking. But, he was a serious. Then I asked if he was Christian or something and he told me he was and I was like "Okay. Good to know." Of course, I'm not antiabortion but when she decided to get the abortion and not tell him I thought that was wrong.

No. 1: That's a major decision to make without at least telling the other partner.

No. 2: Why should she let him get off that easy?

But, that's just my opinion. And later on I told him about the abortion in confidence because I just thought it was a really wrong thing to do to someone who is supposed to be your friend. And he may be antiabortion but he's not an asshole. If she had insisted on getting the abortion he wouldn't've condoned it but he would've been an asshole about it.

Anyways, so months pass and the other night he comes into the bar while I'm working and sits down. We're having a few drinks, talking, and laughing. We're making lewd comments about the girls around us and suddenly I just really wanted to know...

"Can I ask you a very personal question?"

"Uh... yea. What is it?"

That's when I realized "You know, this sounds so wierd and there's no reason it should sound this wierd!"

"What about?"

"I feel like I'm about to ask you something dirty or something!"

"Uh... Do I really want to know?"

"It's really no big deal. I just want to know if you, like, you know... pray?" and I'm sitting there blushing and grinning as if I'd just asked him what kind of porn he jerks off to. But, he just laughs and asks why I want to know.

"I don't know. I just want to know." and then we start talking about how wierd it is to discuss something like that. Like how he and I talk about every disgusting, dirty, nasty sex thing with each other but asking if he prays feels so awkward and shy.

"Yea. I pray." He says. "I like to talk to God. Sometimes I just pray to tell him good job on the nice day."

"That's cool." I tell him and then he asks me if I pray. I tell him "I do. Probably not on a daily basis, but I'm not one of those stictly 'pray-when-times-are-rough' types. I do some form of it several times a week I'd say."

And the conversation went on from there getting progressively less awkward, but it was all a little awkward. I guess he felt awkward about it because he probably thought I was about to tell him I think it's stupid or something, but I don't. I don't think anything people do to make themselves feel better about their lives (as long as it's not detrimental to their health) is a good thing.

I just thought it was interesting.

Cheers,

Lost

your full of shit for writing that -

1...if he wants the kid let him have it,

2...if he agrees to the responsibilty whats the problem.

3...abortion is murder except for rape victims.

your full of shit for writing that

1...if he wants the kid let him have it,

- It wasn't my decision. It was hers.

2...if he agrees to the responsibilty whats the problem.

- If she didn't want to have the baby it would be a big problem.

3...abortion is murder except for rape victims.

- Well, that's convenient... Look, you have your opinions, I have mine. Frankly I don't care how many fucked up children people like you force into this over-populated world and it's not that I don't think abortion is murder, because I more or less do. But, it's of my personal opinion that murder can be justified. But, really, if you're going to say abortion is wrong because it's murder don't turn around and say "except for rape victims." Because that implies that it's more justified to murder the innocent fetus of a rape victim than it is to murder an innocent fetus concieved from a married couple who are in love.

The fact is is that people die and babies die all the time. People kill people and are killed by other people every day. It's mentioned in the bible in several places that murder can be justified and forgiven. I just don't believe murder - especially of a fetus that barely qualifies as alive anyway - can't be justified. And abortion is a terrible thing to do, but people do all kinds of terrible things to each other all the time. I'm not saying this is okay, but I'm saying it happens.

I don't really think god is as judgemental as we've been brought to believe. I don't think I'm incredibly significant to god and I believe a fetus would be even more insignificant.

That's just my personal opinion and I don't subscribe to a doctrine.

Cheers,

Lost

Mighty strong words from someone who "doesn't care". http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

To answer the thread starter, I don't come from circles where "prayer" is a bad word. I sense a guilty conscience, and a hyersensitivity to offense.

I find it sad that it seems taboo for you to talk about prayer, but maybe talking about it in a BAR, with your "Christian" friend who talks with you at great length about various sexual topics, could have contributed to your feelings of uneasiness.

Thanks for sharing the experience, though. It was raw, as ever. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Lost, I think you've taken notice to something very interesting. I've seen it too. Its bizarre how people can talk about necrobeastiality without batting an eyelash, but mentioning something like prayer or God can turn someone three shades of red.

It never ceases to amaze me why people flame another human being over believing in God - whether it be Judeo-Christian or otherwise. Why do people feel the unabashed need to demoralize their faith in something that transcends themselves?

That was a good story. Thanks for sharing.

Her body, her choice.

^ Completely missed the point of the thread.

Yeah, seriously.........

quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:



3...abortion is murder except for rape victims.

But sending troops into the middle east killing thousands is most curtainly not murder huh. Face it, we are all animals here. We murder, and we do much worse things. Get over it, because this planet was doomed the second man evolved from lesser organisms.

I really don't want to this to turn into another abortion thread.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Lost, I think you've taken notice to something very interesting. I've seen it too. Its bizarre how people can talk about necrobeastiality without batting an eyelash, but mentioning something like prayer or God can turn someone three shades of red.

It never ceases to amaze me why people flame another human being over believing in God - whether it be Judeo-Christian or otherwise. Why do people feel the unabashed need to demoralize their faith in something that transcends themselves?

That was a good story. Thanks for sharing.

Because belief with out evidence is the reason people blow themselves up in the streets of israel. Belief without evidence is the reason stem cell research has been stifled. Belief without evidence is the reason Pat Robertson thinks god promised the land of israel to the jews (and this has serious geopolitical consequences).

Bottom line BELIEFS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. That's why beliefs without evidence must be challenged in open forums. There needs to be a dialogue. Right now, a muslim scientist can learn how to make an nuclear bomb yet still believe that he is going to get 72 virgins and a bag of doritos when he martyrs himself.

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Lost, I think you've taken notice to something very interesting. I've seen it too. Its bizarre how people can talk about necrobeastiality without batting an eyelash, but mentioning something like prayer or God can turn someone three shades of red.

Nope, when they talk about necrobestiality they get raging hard-ons, when they talk about God, they just get sick. What's strange about that? Gods are just as sick as dead animals.

quote:It never ceases to amaze me why people flame another human being over believing in God - whether it be Judeo-Christian or otherwise. Why do people feel the unabashed need to demoralize their faith in something that transcends themselves?

Because it's entertaining to look down on hordes of self-effacing, self-denying, self-sacrificing, self-enslaving retards dependent upon a divine being in the sky for the meaning of their existence. It makes me laugh.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I really don't want to this to turn into another abortion thread.

Cheers,

Lost

Agreed.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Because it's entertaining to look down on hordes of self-effacing, self-denying, self-sacrificing, self-enslaving retards dependent upon a divine being in the sky for the meaning of their existence. It makes me laugh.

"Love your neighbor as you would yourself" is a far better motto to live by than the one you've got going on.

this is the first time i've come to this forum in a long time and i was hoping it wasn't a still a shit. this is the first thread i read and i'm leaving.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Because it's entertaining to look down on hordes of self-effacing, self-denying, self-sacrificing, self-enslaving retards dependent upon a divine being in the sky for the meaning of their existence. It makes me laugh.

I don't think everyone who believes in god believe in god because they're dependant on god. I believe in god and how dependant I'm on god I can't tell, but frankly, if he is how he's said to be in the bible I don't like him anyways so while I believe in him, that doesn't mean I care.

Cheers,

Lost

Very good point, Lost.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

so while I believe in him, that doesn't mean I care.

Cheers,

Lost

I followed you up until that. What exactly do you not necessarily care about?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

"Love your neighbor as you would yourself" is a far better motto to live by than the one you've got going on.

Do most believers follow this motto?

Is this model at all relevant to belief in god?

I'm all in favor of self-therapy on a one person basis!

Just don't condemn me for not being like you, that is what is dirty and wrong about Christianity.

I'm sure if there is a God and i spoke to him it might be interesting. This does not happen however http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

I followed you up until that. What exactly do you not necessarily care about?

I shouldn't've said it that way. I should've say that I don't have to care about god. Because I don't think god really cares all too much about me. Not that I don't believe in god and not that I don't think he recognizes me but I just don't think he's very interested in the things I do in life. If I were to do something terrible I think he'd probably notice, but how much he'd really judge me I don't really think. I think god is a lot more laissez faire about things than he's been led on to be. Otherwise, if he is like he's described in the bible, his a dictative hypocritical asshole and I'd rather spend my summers in Hell than with him anyways. If he is like he is in the bible he probably lied about Hell. It's probably great.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Do most believers follow this motto?

Is this model at all relevant to belief in god?

No, they don't. They are human, and that is the last thing on their mind.

But we are commanded to, and we should ever try, no matter how many times we fail.

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

Her body, her choice.



The child belongs to both of them equally

quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:



The child belongs to both of them equally

Unless it's a rape child. Then it's less equal?

Cheers,

Lost

I dont think that this was supposed to turn into an abortion argument thread; though i dont post here much there seem to be like seven abortions threads a week.

So, in answer to your question, I know what you mean, and how you felt, cuz I'm not religious either, but I do respect anyone elses religious beliefs long as they dont interfere with me and my beliefs. But I find when I ask Christians I know questions about them, and I'm deadly serious, even if I'm being polite, it sounds like I'm asking it to mock their beliefs, which isnt the case at all; as I said, dont give a shit what others believe ,long as they dont preach to me.

But it's a really interesting concept. Why do we automically feel like we're insulting someone when we ask an honest, serious question about their beliefs?

I think it's because a lot of people are rather insecure about their faith, due to not understanding it well enough and simply believing what their pastor or parents told them to believe a long time ago, so that when you ask them a seemingly harmless question they percieve it as an attack, and get defensive about it. Also, just running the risk of being ridiculed or attacked for being a "goody-goody" makes it an awkward subject.

I suppose that might be quite right actually. I mean, I went to a Christian school, and for a few years we were forced to do religion classes, and whenever i asked the teacher/preacher/chaplin a questiion about the bible or something we were reading or learning about to do with God, they'd immediatly send me out or tell me off, even though I was deadly serious and not trying to be offensive.

As well as the fact that they are taught to mistrust and fear "doubts" about the religion, so that when a question comes up, it sometimes gets classified as a "doubt" abut God or whatever, and is immediately blocked off.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

I think it's because a lot of people are rather insecure about their faith, due to not understanding it well enough and simply believing what their pastor or parents told them to believe a long time ago, so that when you ask them a seemingly harmless question they percieve it as an attack, and get defensive about it. Also, just running the risk of being ridiculed or attacked for being a "goody-goody" makes it an awkward subject.

If you are a Christian, and are insecure about prayer.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

As well as the fact that they are taught to mistrust and fear "doubts" about the religion, so that when a question comes up, it sometimes gets classified as a "doubt" abut God or whatever, and is immediately blocked off.

I wasn't taught that. That's Catholicism.

"You aren't smart enough to understand the Bible, so we will tell you what it says. Say ten hail Mary's."

Thank God for Martin Luther.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

"You aren't smart enough to understand the Bible, so we will tell you what it says. Say ten hail Mary's."

HAHA, that reminds me of you, DS.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If you are a Christian, and are insecure about prayer.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)



I'm not a Christian. But it is something that appears weird to non-Christians, and thus uncomfortable to talk about with other non-Christians.

I'm sorry, but I don't know any Christians that are uncomfortable talking about anything relating to God.

quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

HAHA, that reminds me of you, DS.

I have not once asserted that you people weren't intelligent enough to digest it's contents.

In fact, I think I've hit my 1000th marker for telling you people to read it.

Don't be a dumbass.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 04-27-2006).]

I don't think he meant all Christians, DS.

Cheers,

Lost