I was asking my self this simple question jews don't try to send missionaries to convince others of joining their relligion like muslims and christians do?

I find this weird because jews usualy complain of being a minority but they don't do anything to increase their number ?

any toughts, answers comments ....

!!

I perceive this to be one of the biggest flaws in Judaism. They can be likened to the Amish, in their missionary work. There is virtually none.

I don't understand that...what is the point of our existence, if not to help others ?

I see this as a travesty on the part of the Jews. Keeping God to yourself, and neglecting your humanitarian responsibilities is simply....contrary to God's will.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Jews. I love their culture, their dedication to their faith, and their discipline. But in this area, they fail miserably.

I admire them for it. Thank god there's a religion out there that understands what it means to leave people alone.

Nobody wants to become a Jew. Thus they realize the futility of sending out missionaries.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I admire them for it. Thank god there's a religion out there that understands what it means to leave people alone.

What he said.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I admire them for it. Thank god there's a religion out there that understands what it means to leave people alone.

Brilliant!

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I perceive this to be one of the biggest flaws in Judaism. They can be likened to the Amish, in their missionary work. There is virtually none.

I don't understand that...what is the point of our existence, if not to help others ?

I see this as a travesty on the part of the Jews. Keeping God to yourself, and neglecting your humanitarian responsibilities is simply....contrary to God's will.



i whole-heartedly disagree. i respect Judaism for not pushing their beliefs on me.

this is also one of the reasons i particularly don't like Christianity and Islam. these evangelists think that they are "spreading god's word" or "saving" other people, when in truth, its just an annoyance to most people.

think of it from a different perspective. a person who is not christian most likely already has their own beliefs or belong to another religion. some christian comes up to your door and says "hello, i am here to save you. by following christ, you can receive eternal salvation". see how pompous that sounds? what incentive do you have to switch to christianity? the fact that you will be "saved"? most likely your religion already says you will be saved by following it. the whole concept of missionaries is arrogant and stupid.

I know of a Jewish Christian missionary...

but Judaeism doesnt have a missions function. The only missions Jews have is for proselytes and nothing more.

PS: If you think that someone asking you where you are spending eternity is "pushing their beliefs on you", you need a reality check.

[This message has been edited by ArgonPlasma2000 (edited 04-25-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I admire them for it. Thank god there's a religion out there that understands what it means to leave people alone.

If their faith is right, then they are letting people go to hell because of their silence.

Yes, thank God for that !

I love all you people that claim to respect Judaism for not doing mission work, but I know some of you to be anti-Semites over in Politics.

*shakes head*

Argon, I wasn't referring to Messianic Jews. Just Hassidics.

Also, missionary work is philanthropic. It's not just spreading the gospel, it's helping people. Building homes and schools...that sort of thing.

Jews SHOULD be doing that.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I admire them for it. Thank god there's a religion out there that understands what it means to leave people alone.



QFT!

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If their faith is right, then they are letting people go to hell because of their silence.

Yes, thank God for that !

See, Digi...there is no evidence that a soul exists. None!

I've come to believe that the human idea for a soul came about from people not wanting to die. They realized that nothing they could do could stop their body from dying, so they imagined a 'soul' within them that lived on after they died.

Believing in a soul is believing that your consiousness will live forever. Tie a storyline to the idea of 'souls' and you have essentially created a mental fountain of youth that everyone can tap into. For some reason, people cannot seem to contemplate the idea that once they are dead, their thoughts and memories cease.

So, knowing there is no evidence that we have eternal souls, any attempt to "save people from hell" is based entirely on a huge assumption.

Now let's look at some assumptions: Scientologists assume Ron Hubbard's Dianetics is truth; Mormons assume Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon is truth; Muslims assume that Mohammed's accounts in the Koran were truth; Christians assume that the Bible is truth; and so on and so forth.

And all the people who fit in the categories above, who make these assumtions, all feel the need to "save humanity" by warning the rest of us. Thus for the "lost", they are left getting badgered by all of these groups to join them and experience eternal bliss of some sort. In the end, it only serves to drive the "lost" further away from all of them!

So yes, I admire Jews for being there, for accepting converts, but keeping their assumptions to theirselves.

I've never heard a Jew complain about being a minority. Obviously they have to recognize that they are, but I'm pretty sure we're all just happy being a minority. That's why they're not trying to convert anyone who doesn't want to be converted.

And there is some missionary work, but it's coalition for other Jews.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

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...yet you are making the assumption that the soul was conjured by not wanting to die...

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

...yet you are making the assumption that the soul was conjured by not wanting to die...

Based on the fact that there's no evidence supporting the soul's existance. And, yet, that is irrelevant to the argument. Say that I did believe in a soul; or say I was simply undecided. There is still the matter of hell, or if that soul is truly eternal or not.

Furthermore, it is one thing to base assumptions on observable evidence. 'Tis different to base it on questionable stories from questionable origins propagating questionable agendas, only there are hundreds (probably thousands) of stories and agendas and they all think they are right and the others are wrong.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

I was asking my self this simple question jews don't try to send missionaries to convince others of joining their relligion like muslims and christians do?

I find this weird because jews usualy complain of being a minority but they don't do anything to increase their number ?

any toughts, answers comments ....

!!

Interesting question... I think its due in part with the fact that most Jews were born Jews. Being a Jew is being in an absolutely unique situation. Being a Jew isn't being apart of a race, but it kind of is. And being a Jew isn't being apart of a religious set of priciples, but it kind of is. No other group is more distinguished and set apart than they. And this is not of their own volition, but of God's plan. That's why Paul refered to Christians (or in those days: Pagans who opted to follow the 'Way') that they'd be grafted in the Branch. The 'Branch' refers to Jesus, but more specifically the line through Abraham because He said He would make Abraham's seed like the stars in the heavens. This means that Christians are not Jews by a birthright, but we are gratfed in through His righteousness... (not ours).

So Jews tend to evangelize other Jews but don't spend much of their time on goyim because some of them see us as unclean and uncirumscised. (Not circumcison of the flesh but of the Spirit). Despite this, I don't know many Jews that wouldn't accept a convert. But what I've noticed is that they tend to dissuade any would-be converts because they sometimes see their birthright as a burdensome stone. To them, they see the Noachide law to be much simpler than the 613 Laws poised by Moses, so why complicate things unnecessarily? That's what I've gathered talking to some of them.

In any case, I too see them as being something akin to the Amish in that they seem content with sealing themselves up in the Torah and having the rest of the world burn in its misery. Jesus, of course, said the opposite and instructed Jew and Gentile alike to talk about God and lead people to their hope in Him.

They would only send missionaries if they were requested, such as if an interest in judaism is expressed. 90% of jews today are descended from people who were converted by missionaires - the king of the khazar kingdom of central asia expressed an interest in judaism, and missionaries were sent to him. Judaism was made the state religion. The khazars incurred into eastern europe and later the khazar empire fell, leaving the ashkenazic (european) jews.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If their faith is right, then they are letting people go to hell because of their silence.

Yes, thank God for that !

and if their (the jews) faith is right, then you are condemning each one of your converts to eternal damnation! i don't know how you sleep at night.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I've never heard a Jew complain about being a minority. Obviously they have to recognize that they are, but I'm pretty sure we're all just happy being a minority. That's why they're not trying to convert anyone who doesn't want to be converted.

And there is some missionary work, but it's coalition for other Jews.

Cheers,

Lost

When i say complaining i mean complaining about persecution ,like when jews say we were always persecuted troughout history because we have always been a helpless minority stuff like that.

In the other hand early musilims and christians were persecuted by oposing relligions Polytheists in Mecca and Roman Polytheists in Rome but they made the impossible to overcome this problem by births and by spreading their relligion sometimes peacefully and sometimes by force

why jews didn't do the same ?

By establishing the terms 'minority' and 'majority' we are inadvertently setting up partitions. Its like "Affirmative Action." It was designed as something good, I recognize that. But it is trying to combat racism by using racism as its premise in which to stop it. It doesn't work and creates more animosity. We are either elevating a certain class, or race, or we are tearing them down. Perhaps if we eradicated the notion of 'special' classes altogether we could help to alleviate some of the unneccesary animosity. We will never eliminate things like racism and sexism altogether, as Jesus said, "such things must come to pass, but woe to whom they come by." But perhaps we can bridge certain gaps where they arise and quell some of this enmity and disdain that humans have for one another.

For instance, you all know that I'm a Christian. As a Christian, I cannot condone homosexual behavior. But I don't want to categorize people as homosexuals to flame them. Rather, instead of turning people into homosexuals, meaning that's where some ascribe to the affiliation with, deal with the behavior and not the label. Does that make sense?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If their faith is right, then they are letting people go to hell because of their silence.

Yes, thank God for that !

Jews don't believe you have to become a Jew to go to heaven. Moreover, eternal hell is only reserved for the exceptionally evil. The punishment in the afterlife is mainly different degrees of purgatory, which few people are righteous enough to avoid experiencing in some form or another, from minor to extensive, but which ends with entrance into paradise.

Jews believe Gentiles are bound by the Covenant God made with all mankind through Noah, the commandments of which being:

<OL TYPE=1><LI>Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.

<LI>Shefichat damim - Do not murder.

<LI>Gezel - Do not steal (or kidnap).

<LI>Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, bestiality, homosexual sex acts and adultery.)

<LI>Birkat Hashem - Do not blaspheme.

<LI>Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat any flesh that was torn from the body of a living animal (meant both literally and as a general prohibition against cruelty to animals)

<LI>Dinim - Do not permit oppression or anarchy to rule. Set up a system of honest, effective courts, police and laws to uphold the last six laws.</OL>

By observing these seven Noachide laws, Jews believe that Gentiles can enter the world to come. Also, according to some opinions, Gentiles are not held quite so strictly to the Noachide laws as Jews are to the 613 of the Mosaic law, for the simple reason that Gentiles did not receive the Torah, which makes us more liable to God's expectations. Most Jewish authorities believe that the two non-Jewish montheistic religions, if observed properly so that the tenets comport with the above laws, serve as a form of "shittuf" or 'association' with HaShem and also enable fulfillment of the laws. It is held to be one of the great failings of the Jewish people that we have not endeavoured as extensively as we should have to spread the Noachide Laws, though this was sometimes a matter of practicality for the fear of extermination that loomed constantly, but in the post-Holocaust era, there has been a growing movement to resurrect our duty as a "light unto nations" and begin once again, as we did before the Temple was destroyed, to promote observance of the Rainbow Covenant made after the flood. Noachidism is now something of a sub-faith of Judaism, with gentile organisations promoting it around the world. One of the first acts of the body that is calling itself the reestablishment of the Sanhedrin was to create a council for Noachides to begin the work of establishing practical applications and canonisations of the way in which the Covenant of Noah functions in the modern world.

[This message has been edited by Sephiroth (edited 04-26-2006).]

And through all that blickety blam, you didn't bother to address the topic, which is that Jews don't evangelize. You know me, Sephiroth. Very well. If there was any sort of significant movement to be the "light unto the world" I'd have heard about it by now.

Whether Jews believe they need to or not is irrelevant, because any compassionate human being that has a personal relationship with God should want others to experience the same, right here on this earth.

This isn't just about heaven. Also, what about soup kitchens ? Relief efforts ? Clothing bins ? Financial aid ?

Don't hear about too many Jews participating in those things.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 04-27-2006).]

They don't try to convert you because you aren't Jewish, therefore sub-human.

I do get that sense, but know enough Jews to know that isn't really true.

They do seem to carry around a false sense of superiority. All while they claim to "not care" if you are a gentile, and claim to recognize the right of the Goyim to go to heaven as well, they do little to bridge the gap between us.

This all boils down to Jesus, and the New Testament. Jews don't believe in the validity of either of those two things, so there is a rampant disdain for the Goyim that follow them.

Hell, the Hassidic's hold the Messianics in contempt.

It's silly, if ya ask me. I'd just like to see more of them reaching out, that's all. They have a gift, just like Christians do, and they should be sharing it.

They should also have bigger hearts about the needy of this world. Everyone should.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 04-27-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

If their faith is right, then they are letting people go to hell because of their silence.

Yes, thank God for that !

Jews don't believe you have to become a Jew to go to heaven. Moreover, eternal hell is only reserved for the exceptionally evil. The punishment in the afterlife is mainly different degrees of purgatory, which few people are righteous enough to avoid experiencing in some form or another, from minor to extensive, but which ends with entrance into paradise.

Jews believe Gentiles are bound by the Covenant God made with all mankind through Noah, the commandments of which being:

<OL TYPE=1><LI>Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.

<LI>Shefichat damim - Do not murder.

<LI>Gezel - Do not steal (or kidnap).

<LI>Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, bestiality, homosexual sex acts and adultery.)

<LI>Birkat Hashem - Do not blaspheme.

<LI>Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat any flesh that was torn from the body of a living animal (meant both literally and as a general prohibition against cruelty to animals)

<LI>Dinim - Do not permit oppression or anarchy to rule. Set up a system of honest, effective courts, police and laws to uphold the last six laws.</OL>

By observing these seven Noachide laws, Jews believe that Gentiles can enter the world to come. Also, according to some opinions, Gentiles are not held quite so strictly to the Noachide laws as Jews are to the 613 of the Mosaic law, for the simple reason that Gentiles did not receive the Torah, which makes us more liable to God's expectations. Most Jewish authorities believe that the two non-Jewish montheistic religions, if observed properly so that the tenets comport with the above laws, serve as a form of "shittuf" or 'association' with HaShem and also enable fulfillment of the laws. It is held to be one of the great failings of the Jewish people that we have not endeavoured as extensively as we should have to spread the Noachide Laws, though this was sometimes a matter of practicality for the fear of extermination that loomed constantly, but in the post-Holocaust era, there has been a growing movement to resurrect our duty as a "light unto nations" and begin once again, as we did before the Temple was destroyed, to promote observance of the Rainbow Covenant made after the flood. Noachidism is now something of a sub-faith of Judaism, with gentile organisations promoting it around the world. One of the first acts of the body that is calling itself the reestablishment of the Sanhedrin was to create a council for Noachides to begin the work of establishing practical applications and canonisations of the way in which the Covenant of Noah functions in the modern world.





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Tidbits From The Talmud

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status, Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Insults Against Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Attacks Christians and their Books, Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).

Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings, Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.

Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

Sanhedrin 59a: "A Goy (Gentile) who pries into the law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

" Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age.

" Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass.

" Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

" Schabouth Hag. 6b: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.

" Zohar 1,160a: "Jews must always try to deceive Christians." Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim (Gentiles) in danger of death.

" Choschen Ham 388, 15: "If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

Choschen Ham 266, 1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com

That was worst website I've ever seen.

because they arent whores. Christians are the only ones with missionaries. If you are right than the people will come to you, you dont have to recruit them like an army. Not to say you cant discuss your god.

Who else would capitolize on religon. I'll tell you THE DEVIL himself. Fuck people who call themselves christians.