All these recent posts about Islam (including the viscious personal attacks waged by proponents) have got me thinking. Is Islam based on the rantings of an illiterate pedophile? That would just be plain hilarious if true. So what are the facts?

Wikipedia has a nice article on the issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Young_marriage_age_controversy

Socrates was an illiterate pedophile.

Socrates > you

It's Muhammad, and the short answer is no.

quote:Originally posted by Aseren:

It's Muhammad, and the short answer is no.

Since it's not the same alphabet, any phoenetically similar spelling is acceptable.

Yeah. It's like spelling the Greek Circe as Kirke although I do prefer Kirke as it pisses me off when people pronounce it as Sursay.

Yea that totally pisses me off too.

Pedophiliacs and Pedophiles.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Since it's not the same alphabet, any phoenetically similar spelling is acceptable.

No, it's not.

edit:

Ha, that reminded me of your post in S&A http://tinyurl.com/zv96a

Adios.

[This message has been edited by Aseren (edited 05-07-2006).]

It's quite probable that he banged a 9 year old girl. What other religious leaders enjoyed committing unspeakable acts of molestation?

ANSWER: CATHOLICS!!!!!

He engaged her when she was 9, married at 12. So he banged a 12 year old.

But there is something you must understand. Under Islamic Law, one can only get married if they have gone through puberty. They must be physically and mentally mature. Although she was 12, she had the body and mind of a matured woman. The age is just a number.

^^ fair point.

Imo, if mohammed really did bang a 12 year old, then he was more of a dirty old arab with pedophilic desires than just a straight pedo http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

meh, i suppose he was, but tbh why does it matter? i'd still think he was a loony moron no matter what his sexual preference.

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

He engaged her when she was 9, married at 12. So he banged a 12 year old.

No, he engaged her when she was six and married her when she was nine (assuming the Hadith is true).

^^^^^^^^^ above is true

she was 9 when he first bedded her and he was fifty something

Hawt!

ffc.

quote:Originally posted by Aseren:

No, it's not.

edit:

Ha, that reminded me of your post in S&A http://tinyurl.com/zv96a

Adios.



both are fine since his name was arabic. the elijah dude though... you can't call him mohamad

in the USA until the end of the 19th century it was normal to see mariages at 12

i guess it's also legal to have sex at 12 in the netherlands but i thing the law changed

and at the time of mohammed marying at young ages was within the social norm of the time not only in arabia but also in europe and asia

my point if the woman is hot who will care about the age?! and pedophilia is just a modern invention

this will enlighten you more http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

excerpts:

***** In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too. (Source: http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm)

As for the reasons why we age of consent just seems to get higher and higher, Essentially, we need more education just to survive in today's society, and this takes much more time. This additional education we need to function in today's society seems to me to be the main cause of the increase in the age of consent in many 20th century societies. The Common Law age of consent was 10. The French penal code raised the age from 11 to 13 only a century ago. In England, it was only in 1929 (70 years ago) that the ancient Christian minimum age for the marriage of females, which was 12, was abandoned. The early rock and roll singer Jerry Lee Lewis was considerably older than his 13 cousin whom he married in all legality in Arkansas. Since then, the age there has been raised to 16. That marriage lasted for about 15 years and there was never any other "scandal" associated with Jerry Lee Lewis. The story is quite different, however, for his cousin Jimmy Swaggart (the well-known and disgraced tele-evangelist) who married a woman his own age but later publicly confessed that he was an adulterer and a whoremonger.

In the seventh century, 3 year old girls were burned to death or tortured in Europe for copulating with demons, witches and sorcerers. Strong sexual passions were attributed to the youngest children. Even Jean Bodin, one of the greatest legal authorities of his time, said that the appropriate age of consent for a female was 6. (I do not mean to suggest that 3 year olds did in fact have sexual relations with demons. It is however interesting to see that at that time it was publicly believed that child-adult relations were the fault of seductive children who sought out mature men rather than today's popular belief that it is instead pedophiliac adults who prey on innocent, unsuspecting children.)

In the US (an example of a prominent western country, since the west had the greatest effect on the world in the last couple of centuries.) They considered a seven year old female competent on making decisions regarding sex, though it was raised later on (in 1886, after attempts to raise the age of consent, Delaware was the only state to retain the common law age of seven, while twenty five states set the minimum age at a mere ten.) In older times, children were not perceived in the same sense that we perceive them, but the perception was changed gradually, which is due to a great extent to industrialization, and of course sigmund freud and others came along with their theories and supported these changes in social thinking (the word adolescent itself was introduced as recently as 1904.)





[This message has been edited by princecharmant1980 (edited 05-10-2006).]

But she was 9 not 12 (according to the Hadith).

This is prepubescent and thus would qualify muhammed as a pedophile.

On the other hand, he married at 6 and waited until she was 9.. seems like a pedophile wouldnt bother waiting, so maybe he banged her at the onset of puberty.

[This message has been edited by Real.PUA (edited 05-10-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

But she was 9 not 12 (according to the Hadith).

This is prepubescent and thus would qualify muhammed as a pedophile.

On the other hand, he married at 6 and waited until she was 9.. seems like a pedophile wouldnt bother waiting, so maybe he banged her at the onset of puberty.



what's the difference at mohammed time it was normal worldwide and you didn't read the article

the age of mariage in England was 10 until the beginning of 20th century!

quote:Originally posted by rent-a-revolution:

Socrates was an illiterate pedophile.



Yea but Socrates wasnt that great, and neither was mohamed, i mean i could spout a whole bunch of bullshit right now and call it a religion and poeple would believe me, so to the point, it doesnt matter if Socrates was an illiterate pedophile or if Mohamed was because what REALLY counts is that they had good imaginations =).

No actually most of that was directed to Mohamed, i actually revere Socrates he was very wise and a great man.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

what's the difference at mohammed time it was normal worldwide and you didn't read the article

the age of mariage in England was 10 until the beginning of 20th century!

Do you believe in absolute morality? If so, do you believe that it's ok for adults to have sex with kids, or do you think that Mohammed did something wrong?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

what's the difference at mohammed time it was normal worldwide and you didn't read the article

the age of mariage in England was 10 until the beginning of 20th century!



So the man who had been spoken to by god couldn't make his own decisions?

quote:Originally posted by Aseren:

No, it's not.

edit:

Ha, that reminded me of your post in S&A http://tinyurl.com/zv96a

Adios.



That link actually more supports Rabbi's position.