Ok I will delete this if it turns into a slanging match, but I'm interested...

I have been revising for exams over past few weeks on the study of Ancient Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt...

Now there are a few things I have picked up and I want a Christian opinion on HOW exactly these similarities have occured.

1) Sargon of Akkad - Founder of the Akkadian Empire (A guy that actually existed but was deified in his own lifetime)... He was born to a god and a lowly woman, put in a reed basket and floated down a river until he was discovered by a girl who was a servant of the goddess Ishtar who looked after him.

The Egyptian god Horus was also put in a basket and floated by Isis on the Nile delta to protect him from enemies.

The connection here is obviously Moses...

2) The story of the flood - There are many Sumerian myths of the great flood, but the one I had to learn concerns a man named Ut-Napishtim who the god Ea (speaking through the reed walls of his hut) told to abandon his house and possessions and build a boat on which to store the "seed of all living things".

The connection => Noah. (Incidentally there have been only 3 finds in Mesopotamian settlements of alluvial material being laid down in the character of a great deluge).

3) Egyptian sun disks... Saints halos????

4) Memphite creation myth - The Egyptian God Ptah created the world and things in it by speaking, very similar to the Genisis creation story.

5) One thing I picked up (when revising Sargon) is that Krisna was brought gifts of Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh when he was born.

Cheers

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Yeah. There isn't a single original element to Christianity, and not many to Judeaism.

...If God created the world then Christianity is the first religion...So its the egyptians and other religions that are lacking originality.

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

...If God created the world then Christianity is the first religion...So its the egyptians and other religions that are lacking originality.

Except that there are three religions that have you jesus myth, near verbatim, that all predate Christ, even the newest of which beats him by more than a century.

The Sumerian and Egyptian religions are older than the Christian religion.

In the case of the sun disks/saints halos, Egypt cannot be the unoriginal source as there is no Christian art that predates it.

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quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

...If God created the world then Christianity is the first religion...So its the egyptians and other religions that are lacking originality.

Hahaha! Even if your gawd really did create the world, Judaism would be the first religion, not Christianity.

Dumbass. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

...If God created the world then Christianity is the first religion...So its the egyptians and other religions that are lacking originality.



What the HELL you gotta be joking! If not, you better be choking.

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:



What the HELL you gotta be joking! If not, you better be choking.

There actualy are alot of chritians that believe that the world did not exist before Jesus. And everything before him was an ilusion.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

There actualy are alot of chritians that believe that the world did not exist before Jesus. And everything before him was an ilusion.

There are also people whi think the earth is the center of the solar system. Doesn't mean they're not idiots.

Heres a random one: Jesus hung on the Cross for three hours. The Norse god Odin hung on Yggdrasill for nine days. 9/3=3 . Sorry I just had the urge to post that they both were stapled to trees.

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quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

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quote:Originally posted by wetwashing:

Heres a random one: Jesus hung on the Cross for three hours. The Norse god Odin hung on Yggdrasill for nine days. 9/3=3 . Sorry I just had the urge to post that they both were stapled to trees.

Come on, that is a weak comparison... you didn't even add the fact the Odin hung himself on his spear (spear in the side sound familiar to anyone?).

If you want a good Jesus analogy, look to the Egyptians again. Osiris, was born a man, then killed, then rose from the dead 3 days later as a god...

quote:Originally posted by NewRage:

Come on, that is a weak comparison... you didn't even add the fact the Odin hung himself on his spear (spear in the side sound familiar to anyone?).

If you want a good Jesus analogy, look to the Egyptians again. Osiris, was born a man, then killed, then rose from the dead 3 days later as a god...

The weakness id even more apparent when you consider that Odin hung hinself vuluntarily, for the sake of wisdom.

DS? Hieroglyphx? Its people like you whose opinions I want to hear. At the moment this thread is just babble.

I can assume that no one has an explanation for the bible stealing all the stuff then huh?....

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

I can assume that no one has an explanation for the bible stealing all the stuff then huh?....

Using past stories for inspiration in your own isn't unhead of.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

I can assume that no one has an explanation for the bible stealing all the stuff then huh?....



They would only say: "that is irrelevant. The bible has proved its authenticity many times before, so you don't need to doubt. Nope, don't doubt.Ignore any contradictions or you will go to hell."

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

Using past stories for inspiration in your own isn't unhead of.

No it isn't, but when your story is supposed to be the explicit word of the being that created the world???

I think thats a bit of a problem...

The thing about using other religions to base yours off of is that most of the people who followed the bible had never heard of these ancient egyptian myths. Sure, they'd been passed down from some people to the others, but the vast majority didn't know of them. So when writing the bible, most of the scholars who wrote it, who knew these myths, used them, because people need something to believe in, it doesn't matter if other people believed in it first, people need something to make them think that they're safe, that there are reasons behind things, that every question can be answered, which is what the purpose of religion is.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Ok I will delete this if it turns into a slanging match, but I'm interested...

I have been revising for exams over past few weeks on the study of Ancient Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt...

Cheers



Christianity IS Hijacking myths. Who says Sargon didn't hijack earlier myths to validate his authority? Just how the Mongol and Hun tradition was to tell a story about being captures and fighting to the top and blah blah blah Atilla and Ghengis have similar stories because it was a tradition in the various regions to adapt the story for sovereignity. Same with Sargon's story probably.

It took you guys long enough to figure it out. jeez

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Christianity IS Hijacking myths. Who says Sargon didn't hijack earlier myths to validate his authority? Just how the Mongol and Hun tradition was to tell a story about being captures and fighting to the top and blah blah blah Atilla and Ghengis have similar stories because it was a tradition in the various regions to adapt the story for sovereignity. Same with Sargon's story probably.



Sargon was around about 2000 years before Atilla and Ghengis... Whether the story is made up or not is irrelevant.

The fact is that there are these stories in a number of different languages which then appear in the Bible, and Christians are told that this is the word of their God.

If religion is meant to be the search for truth and meaning, why all the lies?

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quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:



Sargon was around about 2000 years before Atilla and Ghengis... Whether the story is made up or not is irrelevant.

The fact is that there are these stories in a number of different languages which then appear in the Bible, and Christians are told that this is the word of their God.

If religion is meant to be the search for truth and meaning, why all the lies?



The truth and meaning is in some of the parables. Other than that, don't expect much.

Ok, lets go with this and say SOME of the parables are true (though it's highly doubtful)...

Does it not worry anyone that so many people are taken in by an organisation (that is what the church is these days) that is not based on truth and instead lies, deceit and oppression?

Why do Christians follow these teachings if they know them to be wrong?

*Intellectual mindfuck occurs*.... It IS 2am here... I should sleep.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Ok, lets go with this and say SOME of the parables are true (though it's highly doubtful)...

Does it not worry anyone that so many people are taken in by an organisation (that is what the church is these days) that is not based on truth and instead lies, deceit and oppression?

Why do Christians follow these teachings if they know them to be wrong?

*Intellectual mindfuck occurs*.... It IS 2am here... I should sleep.

All I'm trying to say as the story Sargon hijacked, and the Bible hijacked, and the stories hijacked from Babylon. I believe all of those are TREMENDOUSLY earlier than those civilizations. EVEN MORE ancient. That they hijacked them too. Originally, the original stories may have been told to them as the word of God or the Gods and thats why it was included in their collection of myths after being modified. Egypt talks about "Atum" (Adam) and there is much more. I believe all these stories were told to people and come from much earlier civilizations. What's irrelevant about that! Also check out my posts about The True Religion, What God is, and the other one I got out there. Thanks man cya!

Mesopotamia and Egypt ARE as far as we know two of the oldest civilisations on the planet aside from China, the Indus valley and Mesoamerica...

We can only go on what we have proof of, and the evidence that we have suggests that the Christian faith stole these myths.

Either way, it still doesn't account for the imagery such as the sun disks/halos and the pictures of Isis and Horus that are disturbingly similar to those of the virgin mary and Jesus... Both children are results of an immaculate conception.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Mesopotamia and Egypt ARE as far as we know two of the oldest civilisations on the planet aside from China, the Indus valley and Mesoamerica...

We can only go on what we have proof of, and the evidence that we have suggests that the Christian faith stole these myths.

Either way, it still doesn't account for the imagery such as the sun disks/halos and the pictures of Isis and Horus that are disturbingly similar to those of the virgin mary and Jesus... Both children are results of an immaculate conception.

They aren't the only ones! Prior to Christianity one of the religions in rome was Mithraism which also had an immaculate conception, the holidays Christians celebrate in modern times, and Mithra basically looked like our modern idea of Jesus and lived a similar life!

Yes Christians Hijacked Myths. I believe there were civilizations before Egypt and Mesopotamia that had myths which they hijacked.

In case most of you missed it, Hyroglyphx quit and went to another forum where he would actually be challenged and stimulated.

I don't frequent this forum much anymore, as I found myself repeating things I'd said many times before. I am mostly in Politics now, but am thinking of moving on to Humanities.

Either way, Twiggy, I will try and find some time to get you the answers you seek, but I can't promise anything. I started school about a month and a half ago, and I just don't have much time for this anymore. My apologies in advance.

I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to pull out of your ass, DS. And I hope your husband gets the "stimulation" he needs, most likely from people as illogical as himself.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

In case most of you missed it, Hyroglyphx quit and went to another forum where he would actually be challenged and stimulated.

I don't frequent this forum much anymore, as I found myself repeating things I'd said many times before. I am mostly in Politics now, but am thinking of moving on to Humanities.

Either way, Twiggy, I will try and find some time to get you the answers you seek, but I can't promise anything. I started school about a month and a half ago, and I just don't have much time for this anymore. My apologies in advance.

I don't really blame you guys for busting a move out of this forum. I won't wait on any replies, but if you manage to get them through, thanks http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I had never seen Hyro win an argument, and I have been lurking at this site for a year before I registered.