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realitycourse
2006-05-22, 04:43
Who Lives Above Religion?

People who know this information, because they realise the trap you get stuck in if you put faith into religion.

Religions praise perfectionalism and because trying to be perfect/find perfect place under religion, failure becomes inevitably and often. Fear of failure then leads to unrelenting anxiety, only fleetingly relieve by occasional feelings of accomplishment and success.

But the thing is every failure leads to self-anger/hatred for being weak and to anger and rage towards "THOSE" we think make us feel that way. But because parents and cultures and society demand that we suppress these feelings as being socially unaccpetable. Furthermore, so painful are they that the mind goes till further and represses them, and thus prevents them from ever rising into awareness.

The repression leads to depression, which is a feeling of hopelessness, helplessness and weakness. This is occasionally relieve by anger, which is welcomed for its feeling of power and strength. Over the long term depression can cause changes in the brains chemistry. Then regardless of later achievements and successes, deep down there is still a feeling of worthlessness often there for the remainder of ones life. Even drugs or therapy may not relieve this feeling.

However since repression/expression is a polar pair, what is repressed must be expressed. The mind does this in a way that concels what is repressed. Self hatred is converted into the hatred of the controllers. Or the self hatred is converted into illness thereby earning ones own grief and sadness of others which then is converted into turning back to religion, who actually got them to the state they were in, in the first place.

Sort of see the cycle do you? The last thing I want to do is offend anyone, but that is what religions do to people.

People are allowed to believe whatever they want to believe. Some choose to put blind faith into what they believe instead of actually asking questions and seeking.

There is no problem with that at all if the person is happy.

When you realise that objective reality (observed by another) is exactly the same as subjective reality (observed in your head) since all external observers are only images in your mind. Objective reality becomes nothing but an appearance or image in your mind, just as subjective reality.

The world in your mind is the only world that you can perceive directly. All bodies and other objects in this world are nothing but images in your mind.

Therefore when you realise they both the same then there is no need for conflict. Everyone needs to go on their own journey for the truth, those who are happy finding the truth by putting blind faith and not seeking the answers themselves then that is ok too. THERE is not right or wrong answer!

You see Time and Space is an illusion.

All concepts that we have are branched off from those two main concepts.

Space makes us feel separate, and in turn makes us feel like an individual. Hence the ego is born (false self) and more concepts are born from fear/desire and what the ego wants. When you realise the feelings you are feeling aren't yours and that all these feelings are born from the ego, you start to wonder, I shouldn't be feeling this because the ego is only an image in your mind. Then you are able to disidentify with your ego, so you are free!

The first law of the ego, is there there is ALWAYS someone to blame. There is no “THEY”. “They” is what you have made up in your head. Since the ego is nothing but a concept, other concepts can appear to be threats to it including some concepts about the ego itself. Some of these conflict with the ego's self-esteem, such as concepts of being wrong, weak, defective, unattractive or guilty. The ego reacts to any of these threats by attacking, and thereby tends to see other seeming individuals or made up entity's as guilty, enemies or victimizers.

You see the ego always sees itself as the victim, never as the victimizer, and thus is able to justify virtually any action in defence of itself. The ego finds it very easy to ally itself with other "Concepts" because it finds strength in concepts. Since the concept of "I" requires the concept of it's polar opposite the non-"I" the "I" see's everything being into divided pairs. The concept of right necessarily requires the concept of wrong, good requires evil, God requires Satan, guilty requires innocence, light requires darkness, health requires illness, rich requires poor, knowledge requires ignorance etc. All these are merely concepts that are formed by drawing conceptual boundaries between the opposites in an inseparable pair of concepts. These boundaries are purely arbitrary and can be moved as the occasion demands. THERE IS NO GOOD/EVIL GOD/SATAN they are all concepts stemmed from the ego and made up in your mind!!!!



The ego does not exist. It is nothing but a presumption--the presumption that if thinking experiencing, or doing occurs there must be an entity that thinks experiences, or does. It is the identification of nonlocal consciousness with a thought in the mind. As a result of this identification, the experience of freedom that is really a property of the quantum self becomes limited and is falsely attributed to the ego, resulting in the assumption that the "I" entity has free will instead of being a completely conditioned product of repeated experiences.

Religions are all based around one universal truth. Learn to merge the polarities and you will create a balance of life that towers over any religion.

Learning to merge the polarities into one so you view everything in a state of potential evaluation is a lot better way of doing things.

How to do this can be found at:

The evolution of humans-nonduality living http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum31/HTML/004202.html

Peace and love to you all,

Evan





[This message has been edited by realitycourse (edited 05-22-2006).]

Real.PUA
2006-05-22, 09:52
I guess you wont mind when some fundamentalists get their hands on a nuke and because of faith (belief without evidence) they decide to detonate it on the unbelievers. Good times. They are just seeking truth in their own way.

Real.PUA
2006-05-22, 09:54
Faith is a dangerous thing. It allows people with good intentions to do horrible things.

Abrahim
2006-05-22, 10:46
quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Faith is a dangerous thing. It allows people with good intentions to do horrible things.

Hands are horrible things, they allow people to pull the trigger.

realitycourse
2006-05-22, 10:52
I know this sounds heartless, but as long as you don't take it personally it won't affect you. People after seeing such horrible events of terrorism say they have been born again. Born again into a reality where fear controls them. As long as you let the fear not control you then you are free.

The people with a good balance of faith and logic will arrive at the point where we evolve the soonest.

The people with some faith but a strong hold on logic will experience this point occasionally, but not enough to believe it is something that can be held onto all the time. (this group represents a strong majority, and I believe are the deciding factor on which direction the world will ultimately take. Showing this group that that point is something that can be made a part of every aspect of life is essential in turning the tables).



In the mean time because evolve needs a polar opposite of course there is going to be societies devolving as well. (If that is even a word) http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Those with "too much care", it will consume them, you need a bit of logic to decide where you place your care in a way that is practical and useful.

We really need to understand that in order to make the greatest impact possible, we must recognize the balancing point, the ratio, in all things, this is where the truth really resides.

RealPUA have you read the SSUN Project involving merging all polarities into ONE?



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AngryFemme
2006-05-22, 11:39
quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Faith is a dangerous thing. It allows people with good intentions to do horrible things.

Mark Twain said it best:

"Faith is believing in what you know ain't so"

Abrahim
2006-05-22, 11:55
quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Mark Twain said it best:

"Faith is believing in what you know ain't so"

Angry Femme, may I add you to MSN Messenger? I prefer that but, if not then AIM or YAHOO? I'd really like to add you to my list please!

Real.PUA
2006-05-22, 12:38
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Hands are horrible things, they allow people to pull the trigger.

Read what I said again. "Faith is a dangerous thing. It allows people with good intentions to do horrible things." ...People with bad intentions will do horrible things anyway.

Further more, what is the alternative to hands? Nothing, we need them. The alternative to faith is belief based on evidence, a good thing. Thus the hand analogy does not hold.

realitycourse
2006-05-22, 13:23
The faith of violent clashes between religions have ended in executions massacres and wars for many many centries.

What is weird is religions often preach love without knowing what love is. Many fundamentailists interpret their god's love for them to be inseparable from its hatred for others. So they often create enemies on whom to displace their feelings of self-hatred, self fear, and self anger. Their (unrecognised) self hatred can be so unbearable that they try to compensate by believing that they are god's favoured few, and in the name of this god, endeavor to eliminate a competing religion by trying to convert, demonise or kill its adherents. Their fear of another religion or reaching can be even greater than their fear of death.

So in religion, mankind creates gods in its own images, and each religion then justifies its actions by claiming it speaks for its god. The more vengeful and punitive is the god, the more vengeful and punnitive are the people who believe in it. There for many adherents to Christianity are described as god fearing, and not god loving.

Back in World War 2 many Christians willingly joined the Nazis in trying to exterminate the Jews.

"God Save America" is that because the very thing they believe in, got them their in the first place?

No right or wrong answers people, just questions.

realitycourse
2006-05-22, 13:52
What can we learn to rid us of all this suffering?

The only thing you know for certain is that you are aware, and you know that you are aware. What that means is you, as awareness, are the only reality there is. You are not an object, you are pure subjectivity, which is beyond all conceptualisation. All else is conceptual and subject to change on loss. Whatever changes cannot be you because you are changelesss. You are not in any world..the worlds are all in you. You are not in space and time because they are nothing but concepts, so they are in you. There is nothing outside of awareness so there is nothing outside you.

Eventually you will see that there is no difference between pure subjectivity and pure objectivity. When awareness identifies with the I-concept, the illusory "I" entity results. Whenever such a presumed, separate I entity appears, suffering inevitably results. Without this identification, there is no suffering because there is no individual to suffer. That is why suffering can only disappear only when identification with the I-concept ceases.

One example of suffering that occurs is the desire/fear experienced whenever a presumed, separate I-entity clings or is attached to other perceived objects. Where these objects are "external" physical objects or "internal" thoughts, feelings, emotions or sensations.

The other type of fear/desire is the exact opposite from the above and is from resistance or aversion to some object, whether "internal" or "external"

How do we live above religion?

Disidentification of the ego will either happen though the deepening understanding and acceptance that there is no individual "I" as thinker or doer, or through enquiry into the existence of the separate I-entity and increasing awareness of ones true nature.

A net of Jewels 1996 Ramesh says

"Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self discovery what you find is the Truth- that Truth which is total, selfevident and which needs no outside support of justication."

realitycourse
2006-05-22, 14:06
A metaphor that is extremely helpful to help us picture the relationship between pure objectivity and pure Subjectivity is that of the waves on the surface of the ocean.

The waves (pure ojectivity) cannot exist without the ocean (pure subjectivity). The ocean in its depths is quiet, peaceful and undisturbed. Waves, storms and foaming surf arise on the surface without disurbing the depths. Like wise, the ocean (pure subjectivity) is totally undisturbed by the frenzied and meaningless activityof the waves (pure objectivity).

Each wave consists of a crest and a trough, and one cannot appear without the other, just as all of the inseparable opposites of pure objectivity must appear together.

When the ocean identifies with a wave and the wave thinks of itself as being separate from the other waves and from the ocean itself, the illusory individual appears. This is ignorance. When identification ends and awakening occurs, it is clear that there is only the ocean (Awareness), there has always been the ocean, and the ocean is YOU!!!!!!!!!

AngryFemme
2006-05-23, 01:18
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Angry Femme, may I add you to MSN Messenger?

Sure. Let's swap some memetic energy and convictions.

@hotmail.com

Ruzhky
2006-05-24, 17:59
Red Haired Jihadists!